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  • wiring up condenser element for XLR with 48v phantom

    From Tobiah@2:221/10 to Unknown on Mon Jun 1 11:20:04 2026
    Here is the data sheet on the capsule:

    https://ven.rcsreg.com/r2/mic_data_sheet.pdf

    Near the bottom, there is a wiring diagram.
    It looks like I'm supposed to give it 3 volts,
    which is maybe what those 1/8" 'plugin power'
    jacks provide?

    I want to use this with a recorder that has
    XLR inputs with 48V phantom power. Would I just
    change the value of the resistor?

    I found this:

    https://potardesign.com/simple-p48-for-electret-mic-capsules/

    What value of resistor would I choose?

    Thanks!


    Toby

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Tobiah@2:221/10 to Unknown on Mon Jun 1 11:45:17 2026
    Also, how much do I need to worry about the quality of the capacitor?

    This seems ridiculously expensive:

    https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-DMPC-4-7-Polypropylene-Capacitor/dp/B0002KRDFS/ref=sr_1_2?adgrpid=187081286355&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hoETuFQunCYgnldbfMC1zpwQ4N-z_ozqGy9hLiDE9vXKj8aN6XYuhVCa2OLG0HeVuGOIRthNQeljQ8Oc1SoMd4jxVSjToFTp8pQ7nhOtbVyibafT5vXeT8m8rbvDHBF6w9NOiAy5hktYQdqmz70s9V09VWEDQ2_atXs0PBrw7Sn1oQc-NtF40vPOpR7rZ87LabUlg1TKzLYqKS0UpsJEPgioZamYtQ_KPwE5InlUXe4.UTunNv1hirTk5tLbXDWrnaJS2tVUniO0MEmy2mVQOiM&dib_tag=se&hvadid=792769839083&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=1014369&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2631405493695304492--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2631405493695304492&hvtargid=kwd-370047365277&hydadcr=2766_13896059_2119318&keywords=dayton%2Baudio%2Bcapacitors&mcid=4d0997acd1893239bacbbe57fdc511d6&qid=1780339308&sr=8-2


    Would this serve just as well?

    https://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-DMPC-4-7-Polypropylene-Capacitor/dp/B0002KRDFS/ref=sr_1_2?adgrpid=187081286355&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hoETuFQunCYgnldbfMC1zpwQ4N-z_ozqGy9hLiDE9vXKj8aN6XYuhVCa2OLG0HeVuGOIRthNQeljQ8Oc1SoMd4jxVSjToFTp8pQ7nhOtbVyibafT5vXeT8m8rbvDHBF6w9NOiAy5hktYQdqmz70s9V09VWEDQ2_atXs0PBrw7Sn1oQc-NtF40vPOpR7rZ87LabUlg1TKzLYqKS0UpsJEPgioZamYtQ_KPwE5InlUXe4.UTunNv1hirTk5tLbXDWrnaJS2tVUniO0MEmy2mVQOiM&dib_tag=se&hvadid=792769839083&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=1014369&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=2631405493695304492--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=2631405493695304492&hvtargid=kwd-370047365277&hydadcr=2766_13896059_2119318&keywords=dayton%2Baudio%2Bcapacitors&mcid=4d0997acd1893239bacbbe57fdc511d6&qid=1780339308&sr=8-2


    Thanks

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Geoff@2:221/10 to Unknown on Tue Jun 2 12:12:54 2026
    On 2/06/2026 6:45 am, Tobiah wrote:
    Also, how much do I need to worry about the quality of the capacitor?

    This seems ridiculously expensive:

    It seems ridiculously expensive because it is.

    Instead of a snake-oil 'audio grade' capacitor (which would not fit in
    an XLR casing anyway) a quality electrolytic capacitor, or even a
    tantalum electrolytic would be fine. There is no type of plastic film capacitor of that value that would fit.

    FWIW chances are many of your favourite older recordings' audio has
    already passed through many tantalums in a Dolby NR module !

    --
    geoff

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Tobiah@2:221/10 to Unknown on Mon Jun 1 19:50:50 2026
    On 6/1/26 11:20, Tobiah wrote:
    Here is the data sheet on the capsule:

    ÿ https://ven.rcsreg.com/r2/mic_data_sheet.pdf

    The data sheet calls for a 2.2k resistor,and lists 3volt
    input. Won't I be putting in 48volts because of phantom power?
    The 'simple p48' tutorials suggest 100kohm resister, but it seems
    like I"d need more than 2.2k if I'm raising the voltage to 48v.


    Toby

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Scott Dorsey@2:221/10 to Unknown on Fri Jun 5 07:12:18 2026
    In article <10vlgeb$2lhe8$1@dont-email.me>, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote: >On 6/1/26 11:20, Tobiah wrote:
    Here is the data sheet on the capsule:

    ÿ https://ven.rcsreg.com/r2/mic_data_sheet.pdf

    The data sheet calls for a 2.2k resistor,and lists 3volt
    input. Won't I be putting in 48volts because of phantom power?
    The 'simple p48' tutorials suggest 100kohm resister, but it seems
    like I"d need more than 2.2k if I'm raising the voltage to 48v.

    The following circuit is a common one. It only drives one leg, so no differential drive, and no transformer isolation, but it is cheap to
    make and not horrible:

    https://www.panix.com/~kludge/crown.jpg

    If you have the room, use stacked mylar caps. If you don't, tantalums
    will fit this into an XLR connector. Make sure you don't get them in backwards, though.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Tobiah@2:221/10 to Unknown on Fri Jun 5 05:32:34 2026
    On 6/5/26 04:12, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <10vlgeb$2lhe8$1@dont-email.me>, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
    On 6/1/26 11:20, Tobiah wrote:
    Here is the data sheet on the capsule:

    ÿ https://ven.rcsreg.com/r2/mic_data_sheet.pdf

    The data sheet calls for a 2.2k resistor,and lists 3volt
    input. Won't I be putting in 48volts because of phantom power?
    The 'simple p48' tutorials suggest 100kohm resister, but it seems
    like I"d need more than 2.2k if I'm raising the voltage to 48v.

    The following circuit is a common one. It only drives one leg, so no differential drive,

    Do you mean it would not be a balanced connection?

    and no transformer isolation


    What advantages are there to this design over the "Simple P48"
    circuit that uses 1 cap and 1 resistor?


    Toby

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Tobiah@2:221/10 to Unknown on Fri Jun 5 05:35:39 2026
    On 6/5/26 04:12, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <10vlgeb$2lhe8$1@dont-email.me>, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
    On 6/1/26 11:20, Tobiah wrote:
    Here is the data sheet on the capsule:

    ÿ https://ven.rcsreg.com/r2/mic_data_sheet.pdf

    The data sheet calls for a 2.2k resistor,and lists 3volt
    input. Won't I be putting in 48volts because of phantom power?
    The 'simple p48' tutorials suggest 100kohm resister, but it seems
    like I"d need more than 2.2k if I'm raising the voltage to 48v.

    The following circuit is a common one.

    https://www.panix.com/~kludge/crown.jpg

    I can't make out the mark at the end of the resistor spec, after
    22kOhm. Is it a max watt spec?


    Toby

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Tobiah@2:221/10 to Unknown on Fri Jun 5 05:46:24 2026
    I can't make out the mark at the end of the resistor spec, after
    22kOhm.ÿ Is it a max watt spec?

    I see it now. 1% tolerance.


    Toby

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    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Scott Dorsey@2:221/10 to Unknown on Fri Jun 5 17:38:52 2026
    In article <10vufl2$14ols$1@dont-email.me>, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote: >On 6/5/26 04:12, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <10vlgeb$2lhe8$1@dont-email.me>, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote: >>> On 6/1/26 11:20, Tobiah wrote:
    Here is the data sheet on the capsule:

    ÿ https://ven.rcsreg.com/r2/mic_data_sheet.pdf

    The data sheet calls for a 2.2k resistor,and lists 3volt
    input. Won't I be putting in 48volts because of phantom power?
    The 'simple p48' tutorials suggest 100kohm resister, but it seems
    like I"d need more than 2.2k if I'm raising the voltage to 48v.

    The following circuit is a common one. It only drives one leg, so no
    differential drive,

    Do you mean it would not be a balanced connection?

    It's balanced because both legs have the same impedance, but only one side
    is driven.

    and no transformer isolation


    What advantages are there to this design over the "Simple P48"
    circuit that uses 1 cap and 1 resistor?

    It will work reliably with phantom power and the output is actually
    balanced.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    ---
    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
  • From Scott Dorsey@2:221/10 to Unknown on Fri Jun 5 17:41:22 2026
    In article <10vufqq$14ols$2@dont-email.me>, Tobiah <toby@tobiah.org> wrote:
    The following circuit is a common one.

    https://www.panix.com/~kludge/crown.jpg

    I can't make out the mark at the end of the resistor spec, after
    22kOhm. Is it a max watt spec?

    It is 33kohm, 1%. It's not worth using higher precision than that.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    ---
    * Origin: rbb pygate - the fidonet nntp junction (2:221/10.0)
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