• Re: I want to do something retro...

    From klunk@21:1/124 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jun 25 19:12:37 2024
    Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

    No not at all.
    Pc's used to be beige many moons ago.
    Alas mine is now black.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 08:10:00 2024
    I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched from beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The black does look good, but I liked the beige also.

    I'm going out on a limb and suggestion it was cheaper. Actually probably a
    few things, with PCs getting to be more mainstream, and fitting them into
    more home locations black is something that'll blend in better. It seemed to be a quick testing of the water, they'll buy them, and then it was on for
    young and old.

    Black pigment in general is going to be cheaper and higher opacity than any equivalent white pigment that you've then got to add something else to make
    it beige/greige. TiO2 tends to be relatively steep in price, while cheaper white pigments have poorer opacity.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Tue Jun 25 16:27:41 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: Spectre to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 2024 08:10 am

    I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched from
    beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The black does
    look good, but I liked the beige also.

    I'm going out on a limb and suggestion it was cheaper. Actually probably a few things, with PCs getting to be more mainstream, and fitting them into more home locations black is something that'll blend in better. It seemed to be a quick testing of the water, they'll buy them, and then it was on for young and old.

    Black pigment in general is going to be cheaper and higher opacity than any equivalent white pigment that you've then got to add something else to make it beige/greige. TiO2 tends to be relatively steep in price, while cheaper white pigments have poorer opacity.

    I didn't think about the cost of the pigment. And I suppose the black color being more mainstream might make sense, as things such as TVs, VCRs, etc. tended to be black.

    I feel like I have nostalgia for beige PCs, as I always pictured a desktop PC on a desk, used as a tool, and desktop computers were commonly beige. I still sometimes would like to have a space big enough for a big computer desk with storage for media & things, and bonus points would be also having a beige PC case..
    More nostalgia for me is, I used to also have a couple of these cardboard "economy diskette drawer", which I think I bought at my local Egghead Software at the time, to store 3.5" floppy disks.. The ones pictured here look like they're for 5.25" disks:
    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PugAAOSwRJ1kyU8o/s-l1600.webp
    I eventually had a tower PC case, and I had a couple of those economy diskette drawers on my computer desk next to my PC tower..

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 13:45:00 2024
    I feel like I have nostalgia for beige PCs, as I always pictured a desktop PC on a desk, used as a tool, and desktop computers were commonly beige.
    I still sometimes would like to have a space big enough for a big computer desk with storage for media & things, and bonus points would be also having a beige PC case.. More nostalgia for me is, I used to also
    have a couple of these cardboard "economy diskette drawer", which
    I think I bought at my local Egghead Software at the time, to store
    3.5" floppy disks.. The ones pictured here look like they're
    for 5.25" disks:

    The old 286 era equipment stuffed into XT style cases that have an open
    layout, lots of space, and allow for full height, full length cards. I had 3
    of those stacked at one stage..

    Those cardboard floppy boxes are reminiscent of some that came with my
    Clone-E. Never saw them in the wild though. We mostly used the plastic
    boxes the 10 packs came in. The other was the plastic 50-100 floppy boxes
    that also get used for CDs. I did come across someone that had thousands
    well one or two, that were jammed into long custom boxes made of plywood,
    would easily have held something in the order of 500 a "crate" is probably a better term.


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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jun 26 01:38:11 2024
    Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

    Nope, it is not bad. I have been looking for a modern computer case this is horizontal for quite some time, but have not seen anything I like. I could avoid CRT monitor, its one thing I don't crave for. Maybe it is the number of times I have moved homes LOL. If anyone knows a a current PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

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  • From maple@21:1/215 to neoshock on Wed Jun 26 14:02:37 2024
    If anyone knows a a current
    PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

    Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or
    Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3 LCD monitor styled like
    a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vorlon on Tue Jun 25 07:01:00 2024
    Vorlon wrote to klunk <=-


    Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3

    "Kids, We didn't have fancy computer games when we growed up. We had to
    play with our dad's spreadsheet program - and we liked it!"


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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Maple on Wed Jun 26 10:35:30 2024
    Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3
    LCD monitor styled like
    a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

    Wow those monitors look great! I hadn't heard of Checkmate, thanks for sharing. New items added to my wishlist! :)


    Chris/akacastor


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to neoshock on Thu Jun 27 08:02:00 2024
    number of times I have moved homes LOL. If anyone knows a a current PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

    Not spercifically, but the jungle webs site has this thing...

    https://www.amazon.com.au/SilverStone-Technology-Grandia-Radiator-SST-GD11B

    Sorry this is an incomplete URL, the complete one is about 6Km long. Give you something to work with at least.

    Spec


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  • From Bf2K+@21:3/171 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 26 05:20:32 2024
    On 25 Jun 24 10:03:38 Nightfox wrote...

    Re: Re: I want to do something retro... By: poindexter FORTRAN to
    klunk on Sat Jun 22 2024 09:42 am

    Is it bad that I want a slim desktop case, CRT monitor and
    mouse, all beige? Like an Amiga 1000.

    I've wondered why it is that PC cases and accessories all switched
    from beige to black so fast, after being beige so many years. The
    black does look good, but I liked the beige also.

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    To which Bf2K+ replies...

    Both of my main PCs (BEAST and BBSBOX) are built in black Cooler Master cases... the newest case is 1 year old (an N400) and the oldest one is an
    HAF that I bought more than 10 years ago. The HAF is my main PC.

    I do still have an old beige PC under the desk that runs Windows XP. I
    keep it around for use with my Willem Prommer and the old software that
    runs it.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 27 14:16:00 2024

    Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3

    "Kids, We didn't have fancy computer games when we growed up. We had to play with our dad's spreadsheet program - and we liked it!"

    You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

    Spec


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to maple on Wed Jun 26 21:41:37 2024
    If anyone knows a a current
    PC case manufacture that makes a horizontal case please let me know.

    Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3 LCD monitor styled like a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

    +1; this is from the guy thats been in the Amiga hardware world since the 1000. He also is trying to produce a pretty cool monitor for retro computing - while it IS an LCD, it has a lot of cool features... you can insert different modules in the monitor depending on your input needs; one module is even a full MiSTeR FPGA that can BE the retro computer.

    w00t w00t.



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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to maple on Wed Jun 26 23:42:27 2024
    Checkmate makes retro Amiga-styled cases that fit mini-ITX/ATX boards or Amiga boards, plus they recently started making a 4:3 LCD monitor styled like a CRT: https://www.checkmate1500plus.com/

    Thank you, I will look into that :)

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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to Spectre on Wed Jun 26 23:46:27 2024
    Not spercifically, but the jungle webs site has this thing...

    https://www.amazon.com.au/SilverStone-Technology-Grandia-Radiator-SST-GD11

    Thank you, I was trying to avoid HTPC cases, although looking at this one, its not HTPC looking. Quite pricey though LOL.

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Spectre on Thu Jun 27 09:11:48 2024
    On 27 Jun 2024, Spectre said the following...

    You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

    I remember checking a book out from the library filled with basic programs for the C64, oh the joys of typing pages upon pages of basic code hoping you don't make a typo. At least I was able to save any of the good programs/games to a cassette once I had typed them out correctly.


    Jay

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to neoshock on Fri Jun 28 02:33:00 2024
    Thank you, I was trying to avoid HTPC cases, although looking at this one, its not HTPC looking. Quite pricey though LOL.

    Given the form factor doesn't seem overly popular at the moment, I suspect it'll probably going to be relatively expensive.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Warpslide on Fri Jun 28 02:38:00 2024
    I remember checking a book out from the library filled with basic programs for the C64, oh the joys of typing pages upon pages of basic code hoping you don't make a typo. At least I was able to save any of the good programs/games to a cassette once I had typed them out correctly.

    Never went there. The parents always though that computers would be a flash
    in the pan, so no typing. A lot later though, the same jooy could be had entering hexadecimal code into "Monitor" on the II range... the joys of
    looking for typo in reams of two digit numbers... Even worse than hunting in basic code.

    Spec


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Spectre on Thu Jun 27 18:55:59 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: Spectre to Warpslide on Fri Jun 28 2024 02:38:00

    Hi, Spec.

    Never went there. The parents always though that computers would be a flash in the pan, so no typing. A lot later though, the same jooy could be had entering hexadecimal code into "Monitor" on the II range... the joys of looking for typo in reams of two digit numbers... Even worse than hunting in basic code.

    I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it all entered.

    Now that I think about it, that spiral bound manual is most likely archived online so I *could* go back and find out what it was meant to sound like, assuming I can do a better job on my own than with my pesky brother :)

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Bob Worm on Thu Jun 27 10:57:28 2024
    I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do
    remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a
    "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-
    type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as
    I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it
    all entered.

    Now that I think about it, that spiral bound manual is
    most likely archived online so I *could* go back and
    find out what it was meant to sound like, assuming I
    can do a better job on my own than with my pesky brother :)

    Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

    I am still suspicious about some of those programs I typed in in the 80's and maybe it wasn't my fault after all! (OK, I definitely made mistakes typing them in.)


    Chris/akacastor


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to AKAcastor on Thu Jun 27 19:39:51 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: AKAcastor to Bob Worm on Thu Jun 27 2024 10:57:28

    Hi, AKAcastor.

    Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

    Hmm, the only "mis" here appears to be me mis-remembering - it's a crying *doll*, not a crying *baby*, and the program is only 10 lines long. My goodness I must have had no sticking power when I was younger!

    I managed to find the original code, typed it in... no sound. Fixed the 2 typos I'd made and ran it again - sound! Very disappointing sound, but sound!

    Now there is a tiny chance the emulation is not quite right, I also entered the gunshot program which (in my emulator, at least) alternates loud and quiet each loop like a funky drumbeat - though I can't see from looking at the program why that would be.

    What's Bob rambling on about, you ask? https://www.lemon64.com/hosted/manual/manual/8_4.html

    Perhaps someone with real hardware could do me a solid favour and try these out for me? Pretty please?

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to klunk on Fri Jun 28 08:28:32 2024
    Can't beat a real Amiga though. :)


    indeed i want one bvut they are so expensive!

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Bob Worm on Fri Jun 28 09:55:14 2024
    Hello from sunny South Wales :)


    wassup! :D

    --mary4 (Victoria Crenshaw) the 286 enthusiast

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Nightfox on Fri Jun 28 10:37:09 2024
    I feel like I have nostalgia for beige PCs, as I always pictured a
    desktop PC on a desk, used as a tool, and desktop computers were
    commonly beige. I still sometimes would like to have a space big enough for a big computer desk with storage for media & things, and bonus
    points would be also having a beige PC case..

    <3 <3 <3 <3

    thats nostalgia for me i have no desk for my 2 286 desktop and other machines i have no room in my room so i need to move with them all someday to michigan!

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  • From mary4@21:1/166 to Spectre on Fri Jun 28 10:38:34 2024
    The old 286 era equipment stuffed into XT style cases that have an open layout, lots of space, and allow for full height, full length cards. I
    had 3 of those stacked at one stage..

    wow! <3

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Bob Worm on Fri Jun 28 11:25:00 2024
    I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it all entered.

    I was a little lucky in my first job, magazine returns at a newsagent. It
    took me a month to get enough cash for an elderly II+, it didn't pay particularly well but it did give me access to all sorts of magazines. Some
    of which you only had to rip the cover off to send back :) Start my program entry career as short as it was.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to AKAcastor on Fri Jun 28 11:28:00 2024
    Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

    You used to see this in some of the magazines. You'd get your hands on one, with something you thought sounded good in it, type it in, and presto, crash and burn.

    If you'd managed to get the following issue or two, you might have found corrections, but we never did so you'd be there banging your head against a brick wall rechecking everything half a dozen times, even going full
    re-entry to no avail.

    Spec


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/196 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Jun 28 15:45:05 2024
    Hi Poindexter Fortran,

    On Tuesday June 25 2024, Poindexter Fortran said to Vorlon:

    Oh yes, Lemmings, Lotus Challenge 1,2 & 3

    "Kids, We didn't have fancy computer games when we growed up. We had
    to play with our dad's spreadsheet program - and we liked it!"

    Typing a program into it, and hoping the power didn't go out before saving
    it to tape. Or "Dad vorlon's hogging the TV, I want to watch a show"....



    \/orlon
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    Stephen

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Spectre on Fri Jun 28 09:06:38 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Fri Jun 28 2024 11:25:00

    Hi, Spec.

    I was a little lucky in my first job, magazine returns at a newsagent. It took me a month to get enough cash for an elderly II+, it didn't pay particularly well but it did give me access to all sorts of magazines. Some of which you only had to rip the cover off to send back :) Start my program entry career as short as it was.

    That really seems like a "stars aligned" job for a young computer enthusiast wannabe!

    Do you still have any of the authentic, no-cover magazines?

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vorlon on Fri Jun 28 23:18:00 2024
    Typing a program into it, and hoping the power didn't go out before saving it to tape. Or "Dad vorlon's hogging the TV, I want to watch a show"....

    Never had that problem. On the other side I was able to irritate my sister by using the phone for dialup though :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Bob Worm on Fri Jun 28 23:23:00 2024
    Do you still have any of the authentic, no-cover magazines?

    Unfortunately no. I lost most of it, hmmm 30+ years ago during relationship disintegration. Since then I've had to downsize a few times.. the most
    recent was into a 2 bedroom unit, things had to go, just couldn't keep everything :/

    Spec


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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Warpslide on Sat Jun 29 12:20:00 2024

    On 27 Jun 2024, Spectre said the following...

    You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

    I remember checking a book out from the library filled with basic programs for the C64, oh the joys of typing pages upon pages of basic code hoping you don't make a typo. At least I was able to save any of the good programs/games to a cassette once I had typed them out correctly.

    I wasn't worried with a typo in basic programs... It was the (hmm, my vocabulary is failing) I want to say hex code that got me...

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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to Bob Worm on Mon Jul 1 03:39:25 2024
    Never went there. The parents always though that computers would be a f in the pan, so no typing. A lot later though, the same jooy could be h entering hexadecimal code into "Monitor" on the II range... the joys of looking for typo in reams of two digit numbers... Even worse than hunti basic code.

    I never could afford magazines for type-ins but I do remember my brother and me collaborating to type in a "baby crying" program from the C64 manual. One-read-one-type-then-swap setup. The *entire* thing was pokes, as I remember it, and it didn't work by the time we had it all entered.

    Both my Commodore Vic20 and 64 were hand me downs, and there were a collection of software, accessories and the Compute' Gazette collection, I remember typing in those programs. When I got the VIC20 I did not even have a desk, the computer would just be on the ground with me cross-legged sitting on the floor typing away.

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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to AKAcastor on Mon Jul 1 03:42:25 2024
    Wouldn't it be a surprise if there was a misprint in the book and that's why it never worked?

    There were always mistakes in those magazines and books. For magazines you would need to wait for a following issue if the noticed the mistake, or for a lot of the books, the programs written in basic would be a generic basic, and sometimes you would need to modify it for you particular computer.

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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Neoshock on Mon Jul 1 11:56:06 2024
    There were always mistakes in those magazines and books.
    For magazines you would need to wait for a following
    issue if the noticed the mistake, or for a lot of the
    books, the programs written in basic would be a generic
    basic, and sometimes you would need to modify it for you
    particular computer.

    Oh yes, the books that had BASIC programs that would run on any computer! And somehow they often didn't seem to work on any computer I tried! haha

    I remember borrowing books from the library that suggested the programs could work on an computer with BASIC (but you may need to make some small modifications). I definitely wasn't able to get past the 'small modifications' step at that time.. Sometimes I hadn't even seen the computers that ran the BASIC dialect used in the book - pretty sure I remember trying to get some Sinclair BASIC programs running in Microsoft GW-BASIC in DOS, I'd never seen a ZX Spectrum in my life.

    The books were still a great experience.


    Chris/akacastor


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to neoshock on Tue Jul 2 13:36:35 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: neoshock to Bob Worm on Mon Jul 01 2024 03:39:25

    Hi, Lloyd.

    When I got the VIC20 I did not even have
    a desk, the computer would just be on the ground with me cross-legged sitting on the floor typing away.

    Wow, that's dedication. Shows how engrossing computers were in those days.

    Of course if we could have just sat in front of the TV on a laptop in those days I imagine that would have been what we did instead :)

    BobW
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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to AKAcastor on Tue Jul 2 13:46:13 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: AKAcastor to Neoshock on Mon Jul 01 2024 11:56:06

    Hi, Chris.

    I remember trying to get some Sinclair BASIC programs running in Microsoft GW-BASIC in DOS, I'd never seen a ZX Spectrum in my life.

    I think you had more luck making Sinclair type-ins work on DOS than I ever did on my aunt's Sinclair. That awful BASIC where you had to have the cursor in keyword mode and press "P" for "PRINT" - don't *type* "PRINT", that won't work. Oh, you did it again. Oh and now the whole line is muffed and actually now that I look, so is that one 3 lines ago.

    35 years on and I'm still extraordinarily furious just thinking back to that. And to think, people loved those things. What's wrong with people?

    Eughhhh!

    BobW
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  • From AKAcastor@21:1/162 to Bob Worm on Tue Jul 2 12:05:44 2024
    I remember trying to get some Sinclair BASIC
    programs running in Microsoft
    GW-BASIC in DOS, I'd never seen a ZX Spectrum in my life.

    I think you had more luck making Sinclair type-ins work
    on DOS than I ever did on my aunt's Sinclair. That
    awful BASIC where you had to have the cursor in keyword
    mode and press "P" for "PRINT" - don't *type* "PRINT",
    that won't work. Oh, you did it again. Oh and now the
    whole line is muffed and actually now that I look, so
    is that one 3 lines ago.

    Oh no. I didn't realize the depths of the depravity of Sinclair BASIC. I've always been curious about the ZX Spectrum but now I must re-evaluate whether it is a curiousity or a curse.

    35 years on and I'm still extraordinarily furious just
    thinking back to that. And to think, people loved those
    things. What's wrong with people?

    Seems like we heard "inexpensive computers" and our brains shut off while we sat in front of those terribly frustrating underpowered uncomfortable gadgets. (I feel like that was a kind of genre of computers in the 80s, and I wanted them all.)


    Chris/akacastor

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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to AKAcastor on Wed Jul 3 11:10:08 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: AKAcastor to Bob Worm on Tue Jul 02 2024 12:05:44

    Hi, Chris.

    Oh no. I didn't realize the depths of the depravity of Sinclair BASIC.
    I've always been curious about the ZX Spectrum but now I must re-evaluate whether it is a curiousity or a curse.

    The later releases I believe worked the "normal" way, it was just the very memory constrained earlier BASICs that made life that difficult. Possibly you could get used to it but I sure as hell was not going to put myself through that for a computer I didn't own.

    People loved the Spectrums, I never understood it. The C64 had much better graphics and sound, plus a proper keyboard, and what the hell is a Kempston joystick? Supposedly the games were better?

    I have basically just insulted the religion of 50% of British 8 bit fans, I was going to say they will be out with the pitchforks but, if they were here, they would already have been out defending that awful BASIC.

    Actually most of my friends had Spectrums (Spectra?) back in the day and C64s were in the minority, most people probably didn't care about the BASIC because to them that was just the thing you use to load your games off tape. Then you had the hoity-toity BBC crew, whose mum or dad (or both) invariably worked at a school because nobody was shelling out 400 squids of their own money for an 8 bit micro :)

    BobW
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Bob Worm on Wed Jul 3 21:37:00 2024
    Oh no. I didn't realize the depths of the depravity of Sinclair BASIC.

    The later releases I believe worked the "normal" way, it was just the very memory constrained earlier BASICs that made life that difficult. Possibly you could get used to it but I sure as hell was not going to put myself through that for a computer I didn't own.

    Not sure where it came from, but we liberated a Sinclair from a School
    Cabinet. It had the wacky press this button for print, do not type print, do not pass go. We gave it back after the weekend :)

    On a slightly different note, I've no idea what it'd be overseas, but we had the "Dick Smith VZ" range of computers, VZ200 sticks in mind, not sure how
    many other models there were, but it worked the same way. Horrible little things, even smaller in footprint than the sinclair, but boxier and a little taller, like a small tissue box. The keys were flat with the top surface,
    and you had to push them below the surface to get a key stroke.

    Spec


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Spectre on Wed Jul 3 21:55:37 2024
    Re: Re: I want to do something retro...
    By: Spectre to Bob Worm on Wed Jul 03 2024 21:37:00

    Hi, Spec.

    Not sure where it came from, but we liberated a Sinclair from a School Cabinet. It had the wacky press this button for print, do not type print, do not pass go. We gave it back after the weekend :)

    There's something to be said for a system that's so disappointing that people not only think twice about pinching it but actually return it once they've had a go.

    Somehow reminds me of when an old friend took the dashboard out of a car to turn the mileage back and someone had written "oh no, not again!" in tippex on the back :)

    BobW
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Mon Jul 8 06:33:00 2024
    Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    You had a spreadsheet? We were writing basic programs on paper... :/

    At my first job in college, one of the older guys kept asking me where
    the spreadsheets were. I had no idea what he meant, I thought he meant
    Excel? Maybe he needed it installed on his Mac?

    No, he was referring to a 2 foot wide "columnar pad", a pad of paper
    with spreadsheet columns that he used to use to create spreadsheets by
    *hand*.




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