• Windows Backup software...

    From Shurato@21:2/148 to All on Wed Sep 18 18:19:00 2024
    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but actually use the 1Gbps the
    drive is capable of instead of about 50mbps...

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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Shurato on Thu Sep 19 14:23:02 2024

    Hello Shurato!

    18 Sep 24 18:19, you wrote to all:

    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but actually
    use the 1Gbps the drive is capable of instead of about 50mbps...

    Your using the wrong type of software. There is no need to always backup the whole drive.


    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use). https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downloads

    It will of course do a initial full lbackup, then incremental for the remaning untill the roll over date
    and then depending on the settings a full backup.

    It will backup to local hd, usb drive, network. Plus tell the kids to get off the lawn.*























































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    Vorlon


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Shurato on Thu Sep 19 09:28:00 2024
    Hello Shurato!

    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but actually use
    the 1Gbps the drive is capable of instead of about 50mbps...

    Is that over USB 2.0? If so, perhaps that speed is expected.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vorlon on Thu Sep 19 07:20:00 2024
    Vorlon wrote to Shurato <=-

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use). https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downloads

    It will of course do a initial full lbackup, then incremental for the remaning untill the roll over date and then depending on the settings a full backup.

    Interesting, I'm using Windows backup for Windows 7 (hidden on Windows
    11, but still there) and expect it to go away at some point. I like
    Veeam, use their software on VMWare extensively.























































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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Sep 19 13:25:00 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vorlon <=-

    Vorlon wrote to Shurato <=-

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use). https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downloads

    It will of course do a initial full lbackup, then incremental for the remaning untill the roll over date and then depending on the settings a full backup.

    Interesting, I'm using Windows backup for Windows 7 (hidden on Windows
    11, but still there) and expect it to go away at some point. I like
    Veeam, use their software on VMWare extensively.

    Could you give some details on where that Win7 backup function can be
    found in Win11? I'd like to know for use on my wife's Windows machine. Thanks.

    P.S. - Not sure if you know it, but there were a BUTTLOAD of extra/blank
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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Vorlon on Thu Sep 19 11:40:00 2024

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Vorlon said:


    Hello Shurato!

    18 Sep 24 18:19, you wrote to all:

    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but actually
    use the 1Gbps the drive is capable of instead of about 50mbps...

    Your using the wrong type of software. There is no need to always backup
    the whole drive.

    I just replaced the drive, I need to backup all of my stuff. Normally it
    does incremental backups.

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use). https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downloads

    Is it fast? I'll look at it.

    It will of course do a initial full lbackup, then incremental for the remaning untill the roll over date and then depending on the settings
    a full backup.

    It will backup to local hd, usb drive, network. Plus tell the kids to get off the lawn.*

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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Ogg on Thu Sep 19 11:41:00 2024

    * In a message originally to Shurato, Ogg said:

    Hello Shurato!

    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but actually
    use
    the 1Gbps the drive is capable of instead of about 50mbps...

    Is that over USB 2.0? If so, perhaps that speed is expected.

    3.1Gen2 I believe. Not 2.0. The drive does 100MBps regularly when dragging files over.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to Vorlon on Thu Sep 19 18:49:48 2024
    On 19 Sep 2024, Vorlon said the following...

    Your using the wrong type of software. There is no need to always backup the whole drive.


    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use). https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downloads

    It will of course do a initial full lbackup, then incremental for the remaning untill the roll over date
    and then depending on the settings a full backup.

    It will backup to local hd, usb drive, network. Plus tell the kids to
    get off the lawn.*




    Agree with Vorlon, I used Veeam Free Agent for many months if not years. It just runs!! It does the job well.


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 20 09:34:28 2024

    Hello poindexter!

    19 Sep 24 07:20, you wrote to me:

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use).
    https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=dow
    nloads

    It will of course do a initial full lbackup, then incremental for
    the remaning untill the roll over date and then depending on the
    settings a full backup.

    Interesting, I'm using Windows backup for Windows 7 (hidden on Windows
    11, but still there) and expect it to go away at some point.

    Expect it to go bye bye on the next ms update. #-(

    Like the way they move things for easy of use.. Something that took two click to get to now takes four or five.......

    I like Veeam, use their software on VMWare extensively.


    I have it installed on my main pc, and any of the vm's that I also run....

    I'm seeing 130+ mb sec accross a gigabit network for backup's.



    Vorlon


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Shurato on Fri Sep 20 09:38:30 2024

    Hello Shurato!

    19 Sep 24 11:40, you wrote to me:

    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This
    is ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but
    actually use the 1Gbps the drive is capable of instead of about
    50mbps...

    Your using the wrong type of software. There is no need to always
    backup the whole drive.

    I just replaced the drive, I need to backup all of my stuff. Normally
    it does incremental backups.

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use).
    https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downl
    oads

    Is it fast? I'll look at it.

    Yes it is.. I only use it across a gigabit network and am seeing backup speeds of 130+mb a sec.
    Backuping up to usb (even usb 3) devices will always be slow imho...

    I've done test's in the past and foind going across the network was always 3-4 times faster.



    Vorlon


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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Bucko on Fri Sep 20 09:46:08 2024

    Hello Bucko!

    19 Sep 24 18:49, you wrote to me:

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use).
    [...]
    It will backup to local hd, usb drive, network. Plus tell the
    kids to get off the lawn.*

    Agree with Vorlon, I used Veeam Free Agent for many months if not
    years. It just runs!! It does the job well.

    The only time I've had to look at it, is if a backup has failed... Sofar they haven't been due to veeam, but something else...
    I've got it installed on real hardware and VM's (Both Linux & Windoes).

    Have even talked someone over the phone on how to recover a file from the backup (Windows version).


    Vorlon


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  • From Shurato@21:2/148 to Vorlon on Thu Sep 19 20:18:00 2024


    Hello Shurato!

    19 Sep 24 11:40, you wrote to me:

    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is >> Sh> ridiculous. What can I use that would be as effective, but actuall >> Sh> use the 1Gbps the drive is capable of instead of about 50mbps...

    Your using the wrong type of software. There is no need to always
    backup the whole drive.

    I just replaced the drive, I need to backup all of my stuff.
    Normally
    it does incremental backups.

    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use).
    https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downl
    oads

    Is it fast? I'll look at it.

    Yes it is.. I only use it across a gigabit network and am seeing backup speeds of 130+mb a sec. Backuping up to usb (even usb 3) devices
    will always be slow imho...

    I've done test's in the past and foind going across the network was always 3-4 times faster.

    I'm using USB 3, and it is to an HDD, so it's going to be around 100-200MB/s.
    Your quote of 130mb/s is extremely slow, unless you're using the wrong abbreviations for MegaByte (you're using megabit). I got Macrium Reflect,
    and it's going to take about 3 hours for the full backup. I'm not sure how long it'll take for incrementals. It's to a 22TB drive, from about 3.5TB,
    so I've got plenty of room.


    Vorlon


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Shurato on Fri Sep 20 01:14:00 2024
    Hello Shurato!


    Acronis True Image is taking 20+ hours to back up 2.5TB. This is
    ridiculous.

    Is that over USB 2.0? If so, perhaps that speed is expected.

    3.1Gen2 I believe. Not 2.0. The drive does 100MBps regularly when dragging files over.

    I tremble when I need to move rather "small" 3.3GB files!

    My email file:

    19/09/2024 12:45 PM 3,262,284,800 august2.pst

    real 16m 14.20s
    user 0m 6.02s
    sys 1m 4.38s

    I currently move that across the network to another PC that has
    a USB HDD attached via USB 2

    Ten times that size would be 32GB at 160min. :(

    And 10 times that would be about 3TB at 1600min == 26 hrs.
    That's close to what you're getting now.

    Hope you track down the reason your transfers are so slow over
    USB 3.1.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Fri Sep 20 06:29:00 2024
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Could you give some details on where that Win7 backup function can be found in Win11? I'd like to know for use on my wife's Windows machine. Thanks.

    Control Panel ->security and Maintenance, or Control Panel, All Control
    Panel Items, Backup and Restore (Windows 7)

    P.S. - Not sure if you know it, but there were a BUTTLOAD of
    extra/blank lines between the end of your message text and the
    tear/origin lines.

    I'm reading mail with a QWK reader - I may have <cr>'ed those lines down
    and not cleaned up my reply afterwards.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Vorlon on Fri Sep 20 06:31:00 2024
    Vorlon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I'm seeing 130+ mb sec accross a gigabit network for backup's.

    Nice. I have a 10GB USB external plugged into my NAS that I plan to use
    for backups. Media and documents already get synced to the NAS, where
    they're backed up again using Proxmox' built-in backup.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 20 11:10:00 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Could you give some details on where that Win7 backup function can be found in Win11? I'd like to know for use on my wife's Windows machine. Thanks.

    Control Panel ->security and Maintenance, or Control Panel, All Control Panel Items, Backup and Restore (Windows 7)

    Cool, thank you.

    P.S. - Not sure if you know it, but there were a BUTTLOAD of
    extra/blank lines between the end of your message text and the
    tear/origin lines.

    I'm reading mail with a QWK reader - I may have <cr>'ed those lines
    down and not cleaned up my reply afterwards.

    All good on this one. :-)



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  • From Vorlon@21:1/195 to Shurato on Sat Sep 21 18:31:52 2024

    Hello Shurato!

    19 Sep 24 20:18, you wrote to me:

    Yes it is.. I only use it across a gigabit network and am seeing
    backup speeds of 130+mb a sec. Backuping up to usb (even usb 3)
    [...]
    was always 3-4 times faster.

    I'm using USB 3, and it is to an HDD, so it's going to be around 100-200MB/s. Your quote of 130mb/s is extremely slow, unless you're
    using the wrong abbreviations for MegaByte (you're using megabit). I

    From one of the vm's... Veeam read in 43Gb, and transferd 24.6Gb of changed data.


    Duration: 00:13:55 Processed: 43.7 GB (100%)
    Processing rate: 135.8 MB/s Read: 43.7 GB
    Bottleneck: Source Transferred: 24.6 GB (1.8x)

    Time Action Duration

    12:18:18 Job fred started at 2024-09-15 02:18:18 UTC
    12:18:20 Preparing to backup
    12:18:24 Creating volume snapshot 00:00:01
    12:18:28 Starting incremental backup to Repository_1
    12:18:29 Backing up BIOS bootloader on /dev/sda 00:00:00
    12:18:30 Backed up sda 43.7 GB at 132.8 MB/s 00:05:37
    12:24:07 Backing up summary.xml 00:00:00
    12:24:10 Releasing snapshot 00:00:01
    12:24:14 Applying retention policy 00:07:59
    12:24:17 Full backup file merge completed successfully 00:07:54
    12:32:13 Processing finished at 2024-09-15 02:32:13 UTC





    Vorlon


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  • From Reverend Shaft@21:4/111 to Shurato on Thu Sep 19 19:18:11 2024
    Give veeam backup "Agent for Windows" a try. (Free for home use).
    https://www.veeam.com/products/free/microsoft-windows.html?ad=downloads

    Is it fast? I'll look at it.

    This is a +1 for Veeam. I used it at work in our data center and use it at home on my small network (1 blade server with about a dozen VMs, and 4 PCs). Granted, these are all running on a 1gb connection, but it's lickety split for the diffs. The first full backup takes a while, not gonna lie.

    RS

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