• Current opinions..on worl

    From Dr. What@21:1/616 to Nightfox on Wed May 15 07:54:28 2024
    Nightfox wrote to n2qfd <=-

    I can't believe mayonnaise as condiment never entered the fray... I suppose you can take the boy out of Europe but not Europe out of the boy... Next you'll tell me you'd rather have Pepsi than Kvas....

    Mayonnaise is very common in the US, to use as a spread on sandwiches
    and in some salads (such as tuna salad, egg salad, etc.). I don't
    think mayonnaise is a European thing..

    Not many people know this, but mayonnaise used to be very popular in Mexico.

    They couldn't make it themselves and had to have it shipped. One year, the boat carrying it sunk and they had to go without mayonnaise for several months.
    They still commemorate that day as Cinco de Mayo.

    (Sorry. Dad's been gone for a decade now. He last fell ill this Friday. So I had to do a dad joke to remember him.)


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  • From Bob Worm@21:1/205 to Dr. What on Thu May 16 13:40:46 2024
    Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Dr. What to Nightfox on Wed May 15 2024 07:54:28

    Hi, Dr. What.

    (Sorry. Dad's been gone for a decade now. He last fell ill this Friday. So I had to do a dad joke to remember him.)

    I'm sorry for your loss.

    They still commemorate that day as Cinco de Mayo.

    But I'm stealing your dad joke.

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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to ACCESSION on Sat May 18 08:42:00 2024
    Quoting Accession to Ed Vance <=-

    If you order a Whopper with "heavy all" they give you 1.5 times the ingredients (besides the actual burger patty).

    I'm gonna try this. I'll report back after the long weekend, there is a
    BK across from work so it's not out of the way; my go to if I am too lazy
    to pack a lunch. Whopper Jr with cheese and bacon. $7 As cheap a lunch
    as you can find in OnTAXio.

    Shawn

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Tiny on Sat May 18 16:00:22 2024
    On Sat, 18 May 2024 13:42:00 -0500, you wrote:

    If you order a Whopper with "heavy all" they give you 1.5 times the
    ingredients (besides the actual burger patty).

    I'm gonna try this. I'll report back after the long weekend, there is a BK across from work so it's not out of the way; my go to if I am too lazy to pack a lunch. Whopper Jr with cheese and bacon. $7 As cheap a lunch as you can find in OnTAXio.

    As long as that $7 comes with fries and a soda. Oh wait, you said Whopper Jr. lol

    Most meals at fast food places around here are over $10 already. Inflation is everywhere, yet our wages never compensate for it.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Sat May 18 18:14:00 2024
    Accession wrote to Tiny <=-

    Most meals at fast food places around here are over $10 already.
    Inflation is everywhere, yet our wages never compensate for it.

    In California, they raised the minimum wage for fast-food workers, and
    the restaurants responded by raising prices up to 35% on items. You
    could go to a diner and get a burger for about the same price. And
    service. And coffee refills. and a clean table.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 18 21:29:39 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Accession on Sat May 18 2024 06:14 pm

    Most meals at fast food places around here are over $10 already. Inflation is everywhere, yet our wages never compensate for it.

    In California, they raised the minimum wage for fast-food workers, and
    the restaurants responded by raising prices up to 35% on items. You
    could go to a diner and get a burger for about the same price. And
    service. And coffee refills. and a clean table.

    If a proper restaurant is the same price a fast food service, there aren't many reasons to get fast food service :-P

    I have noticed this in other areas, in which the price for the cheap version of something goes up until the difference with the expensive version is so low that you may as well get the expensive version.

    Regarding food prices, it is getting so ridiculous that I switched to self-production for a lot of things last year. The videogame/tabletop/RPG parties I organize with friends used to make use of take-away food or home delivered food, but nowadays we just cook something in-site because the difference in price is so huge.


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 18 21:33:48 2024
    On Sat, 18 May 2024 23:14:00 -0700, you wrote:

    In California, they raised the minimum wage for fast-food workers, and
    the restaurants responded by raising prices up to 35% on items. You
    could go to a diner and get a burger for about the same price. And service. And coffee refills. and a clean table.

    Yeah. Y'all started this mess, to be honest. Do you really think a 15 year old kid working at McDonalds should be making $15 an hour?

    Or is this only for full time employees? If so, they need to step up their game, because their service usually sucks. Most of the time they forget something and screw up your order.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Arelor on Sat May 18 21:39:48 2024
    On Sun, 19 May 2024 02:29:38 -0500, you wrote:

    In California, they raised the minimum wage for fast-food workers, and
    the restaurants responded by raising prices up to 35% on items. You
    could go to a diner and get a burger for about the same price. And
    service. And coffee refills. and a clean table.

    If a proper restaurant is the same price a fast food service, there
    aren't many reasons to get fast food service :-P

    YESSS

    I have noticed this in other areas, in which the price for the cheap version of something goes up until the difference with the expensive version is so low that you may as well get the expensive version.

    Exactly. To be honest, I actually kind of like the fact that this is happening. We do fast food much less, and eat better meals.

    Regarding food prices, it is getting so ridiculous that I switched to self-production for a lot of things last year. The
    videogame/tabletop/RPG parties I organize with friends used to make use
    of take-away food or home delivered food, but nowadays we just cook something in-site because the difference in price is so huge.

    Yep, that too. We cook at home a lot more often that we used to.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Arelor on Sat May 18 21:05:30 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 18 2024 09:29 pm

    I have noticed this in other areas, in which the price for the cheap version of something goes up until the difference with the expensive version is so low that you may as well get the expensive version.


    Cheap mexican beers are now as expensive as "craft" IPAs.
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Accession on Sun May 19 08:27:11 2024
    Most meals at fast food places around here are over $10 already.
    Inflation is everywhere, yet our wages never compensate for it.

    Unless you make minimum wage, which did go up, which is part of the
    reason fast food costs more (probably enough more that those making
    minimum wage still cannot afford to eat it).



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Blue White on Sun May 19 09:06:00 2024
    Blue White wrote to Accession <=-

    Most meals at fast food places around here are over $10 already.
    Inflation is everywhere, yet our wages never compensate for it.

    Unless you make minimum wage, which did go up, which is part of the
    reason fast food costs more (probably enough more that those making minimum wage still cannot afford to eat it).

    McDs offers a 30% discount, but that's still overpriced. When I worked
    fast food I got burned out pretty fast on the fare. I'm imagining
    employees bartering discounts with other local fast food places for a
    change of pace.



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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Blue White on Sun May 19 18:46:52 2024
    Hello Blue,

    On Sun, May 19 2024 18:27:10 +0000, you wrote:

    Most meals at fast food places around here are over $10 already.
    Inflation is everywhere, yet our wages never compensate for it.

    Unless you make minimum wage, which did go up, which is part of the
    reason fast food costs more (probably enough more that those making minimum wage still cannot afford to eat it).

    I'm fairly certain minimum wage is still decided by the states. Here, minimum wage is still like $7.25 or something like that. It hasn't gone up here (at least yet).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Arelor on Sun May 19 21:47:26 2024
    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    Tried to checkout your gopher out of interest but it does not seem to be up/reachable at the moment... what have you got there?

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 19 21:54:30 2024
    Cheap mexican beers are now as expensive as "craft" IPAs.

    What now? Thats just mad... thats price gouging at it's finest.

    Down here in NZ/Australia, we'd call that a serious case of taking the piss.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon May 20 08:30:19 2024
    McDs offers a 30% discount, but that's still overpriced. When I worked
    fast food I got burned out pretty fast on the fare. I'm imagining
    employees bartering discounts with other local fast food places for a
    change of pace.

    Maybe that is how Doordash got started? :D



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Accession on Mon May 20 08:34:17 2024
    I'm fairly certain minimum wage is still decided by the states. Here, minimum wage is still like $7.25 or something like that. It hasn't
    gone up here (at least yet).

    Yes, which is why fast food costs more in California than it does in
    other states. Based on a recent cross-country journey I took, I can
    confirm the price difference. ;)



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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to kirkspragg on Mon May 20 08:36:25 2024
    re: beer prices

    Down here in NZ/Australia, we'd call that a serious case of taking the
    piss.
    ^^^^

    Not sure if you are making a funny here or not as an old saying of mine
    is "beer tastes like piss smells" (which is why i don't drink it!). ;)



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to kirkspragg on Tue May 21 01:10:00 2024
    Down here in NZ/Australia, we'd call that a serious case of taking the piss.

    We have plenty of piss taking of our own going on. The major brewers here
    have been popping out their cruddy generic beers in cans that mimic "craft beer" can offerings. In an effort to snaarf some of that market. So you
    can pay more for a bog standard beveridge of dubious quality in a can that looks like a genuine crafty.

    Spec


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Mon May 20 06:43:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Cheap mexican beers are now as expensive as "craft" IPAs.

    What now? Thats just mad... thats price gouging at it's finest.

    It's a travesty to me - I went to college in the 1980s, when you could
    find a variety of bad old-school beers for around $3-$4 a 12 pack. Oh,
    the weekends spent drinking watery Schmidt beer, Schaefers, Heidelberg,
    Red White and Blue, Carling, Pabst... Spend a little more and get
    Olympia or Modelo. Splurge and it was Miller High Life.

    All those memories, gone, like beer in the rain.

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Blue White on Mon May 20 17:50:56 2024
    Hello Blue,

    On Mon, May 20 2024 18:34:16 +0000, you wrote:

    I'm fairly certain minimum wage is still decided by the states. Here,
    minimum wage is still like $7.25 or something like that. It hasn't
    gone up here (at least yet).

    Yes, which is why fast food costs more in California than it does in
    other states. Based on a recent cross-country journey I took, I can confirm the price difference. ;)

    I don't doubt that one bit. Yet even here a numbered meal that comes with a soda and fries at McDonalds or Burger King is up around (or more) $10 now.

    I lost all respect for McDonalds when their "dollar menu" turned into a "value" menu, and all the prices went up. Probably a good thing I can't stomach that crap any more anyway. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Blue White on Mon May 20 23:58:49 2024
    Down here in NZ/Australia, we'd call that a serious case of taking the piss.
    Not sure if you are making a funny here or not as an old saying of mine
    is "beer tastes like piss smells" (which is why i don't drink it!). ;)

    See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss (sorry if I mistyped that), I meant it in the terms of the second meaning i.e. when referring to an individual/organisation who takes above and beyond what is though acceptable.

    i.e. charging boutique beer prices for cheep beer is just not on.

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Spectre on Tue May 21 00:03:40 2024
    We have plenty of piss taking of our own going on. The major brewers
    here have been popping out their cruddy generic beers in cans that mimic "craft beer" can offerings. In an effort to snaarf some of that
    market. So you can pay more for a bog standard beveridge of dubious quality in a can that looks like a genuine crafty.

    Agreed, I tend to avoid them.

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Tue May 21 07:24:31 2024
    I'm fairly certain minimum wage is still decided by the states. Here, minimum wage is still like $7.25 or something like that. It hasn't gone
    up here (at least yet).

    $15.40 here... But we're Canada so everything is over priced through the roof.

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Tue May 21 07:27:17 2024
    I don't doubt that one bit. Yet even here a numbered meal that comes
    with a soda and fries at McDonalds or Burger King is up around (or more) $10 now.

    Took my son into KFC the other day to grab him just a chicken burger. Their original. $11!

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Tue May 21 07:08:00 2024
    Accession wrote to Blue White <=-

    I lost all respect for McDonalds when their "dollar menu" turned into a "value" menu, and all the prices went up. Probably a good thing I can't stomach that crap any more anyway. :)

    I used to have a yearly craving for fast food fried chicken, usually
    KFC. I think I'll be down to a yearly fast food craving now.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to kirkspragg on Tue May 21 07:11:00 2024
    kirkspragg wrote to Blue White <=-

    i.e. charging boutique beer prices for cheep beer is just not on.

    Fast food companies are reporting to their shareholders that they think
    their customers have taken just about as much shrinkflation, degradation
    of service and price gouging as they're going to take. McDonalds is
    planning on "slowing the rate of increase". Not halting, not lowering
    prices.

    We're the Boiling Frog.



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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 21 13:21:19 2024
    The Tagline - knock knock jokes are illegal in Poland
    causes me to think there were many Dumb Polak jokes some years back.

    A fellow I worked said he come from Polish ancestry.
    One day he told me one: Why does a Polak wear wet clothes?

    I told him that I never saw him with wet clothes.

    The punch line was - the label said Wash and Wear.

    I learned from reading WW 2 articles on Wikipedia some Polish folks broke the secret codes Germany used and shared what they knew with the French, who in turn told the English and the U.S. how to break the coded messages.

    When reading about that I thought "Polish People aren't Dumb.".
    And I am thankful I don't speak German today because of what those in Poland did back then.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 15:09:00 2024
    Fast food companies are reporting to their shareholders that they think their customers have taken just about as much shrinkflation, degradation of service and price gouging as they're going to take. McDonalds is planning on "slowing the rate of increase". Not halting, not lowering prices.

    Not sure who they think they'll be selling to. If the news reports locally
    are correct McChucks are suffering from increasing costs with falling
    turnover. They're pricing themselves out of existance. Not selling enough of their Sh*t at inflated prices to cover the costs thereof.

    Spec


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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Spectre on Tue May 21 16:34:28 2024

    Not sure who they think they'll be selling to. If the news reports locally are correct McChucks are suffering from increasing costs with falling turnover. They're pricing themselves out of existance. Not selling enough o their Sh*t at inflated prices to cover the costs thereof.


    I hope they do. Remember when McDonalds used to have GOOD food ... I can't even get anything there anymore without feeling sick. Funny how 30 years ago people said it was bad .... I would KILL for 30 year ago McDonalds food today.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Spectre on Tue May 21 14:11:09 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Spectre to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 2024 03:09 pm


    Not sure who they think they'll be selling to. If the news reports locally are correct McChucks are suffering from increasing costs with falling turnover. They're pricing themselves out of existance. Not selling enough of their Sh*t at inflated prices to cover the costs thereof.

    That's the downward spiral -- raise prices, lose customers, raise prices to make up for the lost revenues, then reset - with prices higher than they were.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Spectre on Tue May 21 14:39:00 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Spectre to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 2024 03:09 pm

    Not sure who they think they'll be selling to. If the news reports locally are correct McChucks are suffering from increasing costs with falling turnover. They're pricing themselves out of existance. Not selling enough of their Sh*t at inflated prices to cover the costs thereof.

    Is McChucks a local chain in your area? I haven't heard of it.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Exodus on Tue May 21 18:21:00 2024
    Hello Exodus!

    .... I would KILL for 30 year ago McDonalds food today.

    Even the original ice cream made from powdered products?

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Tue May 21 18:19:06 2024
    Hello niter3,

    On Tue, May 21 2024 11:24:30 -0500, you wrote:

    $15.40 here... But we're Canada so everything is over priced through the roof.

    Yikes. I'm sure it'll happen here at some point, and probably sooner than later.

    Regards,
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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Tue May 21 18:21:28 2024
    Hello niter3,

    On Tue, May 21 2024 11:27:16 -0500, you wrote:

    I don't doubt that one bit. Yet even here a numbered meal that comes
    with a soda and fries at McDonalds or Burger King is up around (or more)
    $10 now.

    Took my son into KFC the other day to grab him just a chicken burger.
    Their original. $11!

    For the meal? That sounds about right. It's crazy, just 10 years ago it was under $5. Have you gotten a 50% pay increase in those 10 years? The scale is tipping in the wrong direction! :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 21 18:24:44 2024
    Hello poindexter,

    On Tue, May 21 2024 14:08:00 -0500, you wrote:

    I used to have a yearly craving for fast food fried chicken, usually
    KFC. I think I'll be down to a yearly fast food craving now.

    McDonalds and Taco Bell don't agree with me any more (and haven't for some time now). However, we will still do a couple places, like Burger King, Culver's, or Arby's.

    Not very often, though.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Ogg on Tue May 21 18:28:16 2024
    Hello Ogg,

    On Tue, May 21 2024 22:21:00 -0500, you wrote:

    .... I would KILL for 30 year ago McDonalds food today.

    Even the original ice cream made from powdered products?

    What ice cream? It's a myth, as the ice cream machine is *always* broken. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Nightfox on Wed May 22 15:54:28 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Nightfox to Spectre on Tue May 21 2024 07:39 am

    Howdy,

    Is McChucks a local chain in your area? I haven't heard of it.

    Its slang. Anything starting with "Mc" is normally a reference to mcdonalds, anything after it is either either a noun or a verb. In this case, "chuck" is what happens after you eat it. :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Thu May 23 01:55:00 2024
    Is McChucks a local chain in your area? I haven't heard of it.

    McChucks, Maccas, they're both the usual name for McDonalds here.

    Spec


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Thu May 23 01:57:00 2024
    .... I would KILL for 30 year ago McDonalds food today.

    Even the original ice cream made from powdered products?

    Pretty sure they still are... at least here.. anything softserve starts as powder added to milk...

    Spec


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  • From fusion@21:1/616 to Spectre on Wed May 22 02:13:52 2024
    On 23 May 2024, Spectre said the following...

    McChucks, Maccas, they're both the usual name for McDonalds here.

    not as bad as japanese i guess

    ma ku do na ru do

    though their food was premium not like what we get

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Wed May 22 06:11:41 2024
    For the meal? That sounds about right. It's crazy, just 10 years ago it was under $5. Have you gotten a 50% pay increase in those 10 years? The scale is tipping in the wrong direction! :)

    no, just the burger. Nothing else.

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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Poindexter Fortran on Wed May 22 06:31:18 2024
    On 21 May 12 07:08am, poindexter FORTRAN said the following:

    I used to have a yearly craving for fast food fried chicken, usually
    KFC. I think I'll be down to a yearly fast food craving now.

    I crave fast food about once every 5 years. Having said that in a pinch
    at work I will get a BK Jr. burger if I forget my lunch... I'll eat it but
    I'm not craving it.


    Tiny

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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Accession on Wed May 22 06:37:28 2024

    $15.40 here... But we're Canada so everything is over priced through the
    roof.
    Yikes. I'm sure it'll happen here at some point, and probably sooner
    than later.

    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's insane.

    Shawn

    Tiny

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Tiny on Wed May 22 10:02:23 2024
    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's insane.

    Where is here?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Wed May 22 06:35:00 2024
    Ogg wrote to Exodus <=-

    Even the original ice cream made from powdered products?

    Back when they would correct you if you ordered a "Milk Shake".

    "One Shake, coming up..."

    "You mean a milk shake?"

    "Here's your shake, have a nice day..."



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Ogg on Wed May 22 06:36:00 2024
    Ogg wrote to Exodus <=-

    Hello Exodus!

    .... I would KILL for 30 year ago McDonalds food today.

    Like a McDLT?



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Wed May 22 06:40:00 2024
    Accession wrote to Ogg <=-

    What ice cream? It's a myth, as the ice cream machine is *always*
    broken. :)

    It's worth researching the news regarding their ice cream machines.
    They're incredibly finicky, have a self-cleaning mode that when it
    fails, requires 4 hours to reset, there's one company that services
    them, they're locked down to prevent service, parts are horrendously
    expensive, and the company is currently suing a company that the
    franchises love that reverse engineers the maintenance interface so the franchisees can fix it themselves.

    There's another law suit around a company that made a screen scraping
    app that would map out which McD's machines are out of order by trying
    to place an online order for a shake and reporting which are
    unavailable.

    It'd be a lot easier if they bought ice cream, milk and one of those
    stick blenders...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Tiny on Wed May 22 06:43:00 2024
    Tiny wrote to Accession <=-

    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's insane.

    Look at the impact inflation has had on the buying power of the dollar.
    If the minimum wage was adjusted for inflation since the last increase
    it'd be $24/hour - it's just that we've been arguing about it for so
    long that the inflation adjusted value has passed the amount we're
    negotiating for.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to kirkspragg on Wed May 22 11:12:24 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: kirkspragg to Arelor on Sun May 19 2024 09:47 pm

    gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken

    Tried to checkout your gopher out of interest but it does not seem to be up/reachable at the moment... what have you got there?

    I just checked and the gophersite is up. Maybe you tried to check it during an automated maintenance window? My toy systems always go offline for about 10 minutes every sunday 3 am (CEST).

    ThHe site is mainly a mirror of my clearnet website.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Tiny on Wed May 22 13:25:45 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Tiny to Accession on Wed May 22 2024 06:37 am

    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's insane.

    Yeah, fast food prices have gotten a bit insane, especially over the last few years. When I get fast food, I try to check the restaurant's smartphone app to see if they offer any deals or discounts and order based on that. Sometimes I just feel like I want a parcticular item/meal from somewhere though and there might not be a deal for it.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 13:29:46 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Accession on Wed May 22 2024 06:40 am

    It'd be a lot easier if they bought ice cream, milk and one of those stick blenders...

    That's the way we made milkshakes at Dairy Queen when I worked there. Though, we always used soft serve ice cream from the machines. But the ice cream machines we had were rarely broken.

    I thought it was funny when McDonald's introduced their McFlurry, which was obviously a copy of Dairy Queen's Blizzard (even the name is similar), and McDonald's offered fewer flavors.

    Nightfox
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 18:01:00 2024
    Hello p.F!

    Even the original ice cream made from powdered products?

    Back when they would correct you if you ordered a "Milk Shake".

    "One Shake, coming up..."

    "You mean a milk shake?"

    "Here's your shake, have a nice day..."


    Ah.. right. It was the pseudo milk shakes. Can't say if ever
    I had those when I was a kid.


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to deon on Wed May 22 17:59:02 2024
    Hello deon,

    On Wed, May 22 2024 05:54:28 -0500, you wrote:

    Is McChucks a local chain in your area? I haven't heard of it.

    Its slang. Anything starting with "Mc" is normally a reference to mcdonalds, anything after it is either either a noun or a verb. In this case, "chuck" is what happens after you eat it. :)

    LOL, "McUpchucks".

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Wed May 22 18:00:34 2024
    Hello niter3,

    On Wed, May 22 2024 10:11:40 -0500, you wrote:

    For the meal? That sounds about right. It's crazy, just 10 years ago it
    was under $5. Have you gotten a 50% pay increase in those 10 years? The
    scale is tipping in the wrong direction! :)

    no, just the burger. Nothing else.

    Oh wow. Yeah, definitely outrageous.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Tiny on Wed May 22 18:03:14 2024
    Hello Tiny,

    On Wed, May 22 2024 01:37:28 -0500, you wrote:

    $15.40 here... But we're Canada so everything is over priced through the
    roof.

    Yikes. I'm sure it'll happen here at some point, and probably sooner
    than later.

    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's insane.

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 18:15:12 2024
    Hello poindexter,

    On Wed, May 22 2024 13:40:00 -0500, you wrote:

    What ice cream? It's a myth, as the ice cream machine is *always*
    broken. :)

    It's worth researching the news regarding their ice cream machines. They're incredibly finicky, have a self-cleaning mode that when it
    fails, requires 4 hours to reset, there's one company that services
    them, they're locked down to prevent service, parts are horrendously expensive, and the company is currently suing a company that the franchises love that reverse engineers the maintenance interface so the franchisees can fix it themselves.

    To be completely honest, I don't care what their excuse is. McCorp is a multi-billion (or trillion maybe?) dollar company. They could pay someone to invent an ice cream machine that actually works.

    There's another law suit around a company that made a screen scraping
    app that would map out which McD's machines are out of order by trying
    to place an online order for a shake and reporting which are
    unavailable.

    I've heard about this. However, I wasn't aware there was a law suit because of it. What in the world would they sue for, defamation of character or something stupid like that?

    It'd be a lot easier if they bought ice cream, milk and one of those
    stick blenders...

    They could have done a hell of a lot more over the years than just tell people their ice cream machine is down, all of the time. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Exodus on Thu May 23 19:17:00 2024
    I hope they do. Remember when McDonalds used to have GOOD food ... I

    I don't remember McChucks having good food, even 45 years ago.. it was cheap
    n cheerful and was aimed hard at kids but that's about it. Some kid down the street had a b'day party there, thats my first recollection of it.

    Spec


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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 23 00:11:53 2024
    of service and price gouging as they're going to take. McDonalds is planning on "slowing the rate of increase". Not halting, not lowering prices.

    Yup make as much money as you can, any way you can, customer satisfaction be damned.

    We're the Boiling Frog.

    Indeed. Though boiled frog might possibly taste better than whatever it is that McDonald's passes off as "food".

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Exodus on Thu May 23 00:19:22 2024
    30 years ago people said it was bad .... I would KILL for 30 year ago McDonalds food today.

    Given how artificial their "food" is, McDonald's food today would likey last 30 years outside (I doubt the wildlife would touch it) & be about as safe to eat as it is now....

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  • From kirkspragg@21:2/150 to Arelor on Thu May 23 00:40:40 2024
    I just checked and the gophersite is up. Maybe you tried to check it during an automated maintenance window? My toy systems always go offline for about 10 minutes every sunday 3 am (CEST).

    Very strange, I rechecked on my main modern desktop PC and yes its working fine via the floogap proxy service.

    Refuses to work at all on my retro 286. Floodgap's gopher is fine, so are others... very strange. Might try a different client out.

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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Niter3 on Wed May 22 18:22:48 2024
    Hello All!

    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's
    Where is here?

    Ontario, Canada.

    Shawn

    Tiny

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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to ACCESSION on Thu May 23 06:15:00 2024
    Quoting Accession to Tiny <=-

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    From ontario.ca. THe new general min wage will be $17.20 and the student
    min wage will be $16.20/hr

    So only $1 less.

    Shawn

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Accession on Thu May 23 03:27:40 2024
    On 22 May 2024, Accession said the following...

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    General minimum wage here in Ontario is $16.55 per hour. Student minimum wage (under the age of 18 who work 28 hours a week or less) is $15.60 per hour.

    Those rates are set to go up on Oct 1 to $17.20 & $16.20 per hour.


    Jay

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Thu May 23 06:51:00 2024
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I thought it was funny when McDonald's introduced their McFlurry, which was obviously a copy of Dairy Queen's Blizzard (even the name is
    similar), and McDonald's offered fewer flavors.

    They don't hold a flurry upside down before they hand it to you, do
    they? I always thought that was an odd marketing quirk.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Thu May 23 06:53:00 2024
    Accession wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    To be completely honest, I don't care what their excuse is. McCorp is a multi-billion (or trillion maybe?) dollar company. They could pay
    someone to invent an ice cream machine that actually works.

    Especially when they're known for shakes, and even have yealy marketing
    campaigns around shakes!

    There's another law suit around a company that made a screen scraping
    app that would map out which McD's machines are out of order by trying
    to place an online order for a shake and reporting which are
    unavailable.

    I've heard about this. However, I wasn't aware there was a law suit because of it. What in the world would they sue for, defamation of character or something stupid like that?

    I think it was DMCA-based.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Thu May 23 07:12:00 2024
    Nightfox wrote to Tiny <=-

    Yeah, fast food prices have gotten a bit insane, especially over the
    last few years.

    I haven't been at a while, and my daughter was hungry after school
    activities. We went to a Carls Jr, and a 5 piece chicken tender meal
    was $16.89 with tax. Unreal.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Thu May 23 07:14:00 2024
    Accession wrote to Tiny <=-

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    I'd hope it's across the board, otherwise you'd see fast food companies
    hiring lots of 39-hour-a-week employees at the lower rate, since they're
    not "full-time" employees.



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Accession on Thu May 23 10:07:33 2024
    Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed May 22 2024 06:15 pm

    To be completely honest, I don't care what their excuse is. McCorp is a multi-billion (or trillion maybe?) dollar company. They could pay someone to invent an ice cream machine that actually works.

    My first job was at a Dairy Queen. The ice cream machines we had were rarely broken. I've wondered why McDonald's doesn't buy the same ones we used (unless perhaps they were made specifically by/for Dairy Queen).

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 23 10:10:33 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 23 2024 06:51 am

    They don't hold a flurry upside down before they hand it to you, do they? I always thought that was an odd marketing quirk.

    No, they don't.
    My first job was at a Dairy Queen, and they started that upside down thing when I was there. Not many of us actually did that though, as it seemed a bit silly.

    Nightfox
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 23 10:11:59 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu May 23 2024 07:12 am

    Yeah, fast food prices have gotten a bit insane, especially over the last
    few years.

    I haven't been at a while, and my daughter was hungry after school activities. We went to a Carls Jr, and a 5 piece chicken tender meal was $16.89 with tax. Unreal.

    Carl's Jr. seems to be one of the worst for pricing, as they don't even offer many deals in their smartphone app (at least, not until recently). I actually like their food, but I don't go there very often.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 23 10:13:23 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Accession on Thu May 23 2024 07:14 am

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    I'd hope it's across the board, otherwise you'd see fast food companies hiring lots of 39-hour-a-week employees at the lower rate, since they're not "full-time" employees.

    At the Dairy Queen I used to work at, it seemed a lot of us were part-time employees. I think it's because most of us were either still in high school or in college, and working part-time had the advantage that we had more time for our school work.

    Nightfox
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 24 13:25:00 2024
    They don't hold a flurry upside down before they hand it to you, do
    they? I always thought that was an odd marketing quirk.

    Never saw one upside down, all the inserted "crap" would fall off the top... they got lazy with them here and even stopped mixing them, they've become a glorified softserver cup with a bit of extras in the middle, and a bit on
    top.

    Spec


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Tiny on Thu May 23 13:21:44 2024
    Hello Tiny,

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 06:15:00 -0500, you wrote to me:

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    From ontario.ca. THe new general min wage will be $17.20 and the student min wage will be $16.20/hr

    So only $1 less.

    And they wonder why businesses are shutting their doors all over the place. Either that, or charging your firstborn for some shit food. *shrug*

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Warpslide on Thu May 23 13:23:02 2024
    Hello Warpslide,

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 03:27:40 -0400, you wrote to me:

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    General minimum wage here in Ontario is $16.55 per hour. Student minimum wage (under the age of 18 who work 28 hours a week or less) is $15.60 per hour.

    Those rates are set to go up on Oct 1 to $17.20 & $16.20 per hour.

    Is the government helping those small businesses stay afloat while paying temporary help so much?

    I can see upping the minimum wage for full time employees, because well, it's been about damn time for decades already. Nobody can live on $200/week after the government takes their cut. However, that's quite a bit much for temporary help with no ambition of turning said job into a career of any kind - if a career of any kind was available in said job where they use temporary help.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 23 13:28:34 2024
    Hello poindexter,

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 06:53:00 -0700, you wrote to me:

    To be completely honest, I don't care what their excuse is. McCorp is
    a multi-billion (or trillion maybe?) dollar company. They could pay
    someone to invent an ice cream machine that actually works.

    Especially when they're known for shakes, and even have yealy marketing
    campaigns around shakes!

    Yeah, no doubt! I'll give it to them, their Shamrock shake is pretty good. But if you can't ever get the friggin' thing, what good is it?

    I've heard about this. However, I wasn't aware there was a law suit
    because of it. What in the world would they sue for, defamation of
    character or something stupid like that?

    I think it was DMCA-based.

    Sounds to me like they were grasping at straws on that one. Basically sued them to try to stop the shit-talking? lol

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu May 23 13:31:48 2024
    Hello poindexter,

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 07:14:00 -0700, you wrote to me:

    Now I'm assuming this is for a full time job? Part time or summer help
    for a minor I would assume would be quite a bit lower?

    I'd hope it's across the board, otherwise you'd see fast food companies hiring lots of 39-hour-a-week employees at the lower rate, since they're not "full-time" employees.

    I believe a full work week is as low as 36 hours, but I get your point. However, most fast food places can't even hire enough people to work there at all, even when advertising much higher pay than minimum wage. There's a bunch empty buildings around here, that were former fast food chains.

    If they were to start trying to pull that shit, said fast food restaurants won't have enough full (or part) time workers to work during the school day. While growing up, and I'm sure it's the same to this day, fast food chains were a place that would hire kids (14 and up, I believe) part time and summer help. The adults would usually only work during normal day shift hours (which should be full time) while those kids were in school. Would be a good place for old retired people to work part time during the school day so they can keep collecting their pensions, too.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Nightfox on Thu May 23 13:42:40 2024
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 10:07:32 , you wrote to me:

    To be completely honest, I don't care what their excuse is. McCorp is
    a multi-billion (or trillion maybe?) dollar company. They could pay
    someone to invent an ice cream machine that actually works.

    My first job was at a Dairy Queen. The ice cream machines we had were rarely broken. I've wondered why McDonald's doesn't buy the same ones we used (unless perhaps they were made specifically by/for Dairy Queen).

    Even if that is the case, my statement still stands. McD's brings in multiple times the money Dairy Queen does, and still doesn't have working ice cream machines. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Tiny on Thu May 23 15:42:39 2024
    From ontario.ca. THe new general min wage will be $17.20 and the student min wage will be $16.20/hr

    $7.25/hour here in good ol' Pennsylvania.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Accession on Thu May 23 13:32:52 2024
    Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: Accession to Nightfox on Thu May 23 2024 01:42 pm

    My first job was at a Dairy Queen. The ice cream machines we had were
    rarely broken. I've wondered why McDonald's doesn't buy the same ones we
    used (unless perhaps they were made specifically by/for Dairy Queen).

    Even if that is the case, my statement still stands. McD's brings in multiple times the money Dairy Queen does, and still doesn't have working ice cream machines. :)

    Yeah. I'm saying maybe they sould just buy better ones that don't break down very often. :)

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Nightfox on Fri May 24 21:31:00 2024
    My first job was at a Dairy Queen. The ice cream machines we had were rarely broken. I've wondered why McDonald's doesn't buy the same ones we used (unless perhaps they were made specifically by/for Dairy Queen).

    There was a story circulating that they were tied into an OLD contract with whoever it is that makes/services the things they're using.


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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to Nightfox on Thu May 23 21:30:32 2024
    Hello Nightfox,

    On Thu, 23 May 2024 13:32:52 -0700, you wrote to me:

    Even if that is the case, my statement still stands. McD's brings in
    multiple times the money Dairy Queen does, and still doesn't have
    working ice cream machines. :)

    Yeah. I'm saying maybe they sould just buy better ones that don't break down very often. :)

    Most definitely, the same direction I was going with this thread. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Thu May 23 20:18:56 2024
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN (21:4/122)

    |11pF|09> |10 I haven't been at a while, and my daughter was hungry after school|07
    |11pF|09> |10 activities. We went to a Carls Jr, and a 5 piece chicken tender meal|07
    |11pF|09> |10 was $16.89 with tax. Unreal.|07
    Bay area is expensive. I was in Burlingame over the weekend. My hamburger meal at walburgers was like $21 with a $1 tip.


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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri May 24 06:18:48 2024
    It's worth researching the news regarding their ice cream machines. They're incredibly finicky, have a self-cleaning mode that when it
    fails, requires 4 hours to reset, there's one company that services
    them, they're locked down to prevent service, parts are horrendously expensive, and the company is currently suing a company that the franchises love that reverse engineers the maintenance interface so the franchisees can fix it themselves.

    Interesting... Pizza Hut had ice cream makers too. They've been pulled out for years however.

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Tiny on Fri May 24 06:23:24 2024
    I believe it's going up to $17 something an hour in Oct here. It's
    Where is here?

    Ontario, Canada.

    Got'cha. Same... So you know what's going on in this crazy economy now.

    Should I say housing crisis!

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Fri May 24 06:26:55 2024
    And they wonder why businesses are shutting their doors all over the place. Either that, or charging your firstborn for some shit food.
    *shrug*

    Agree, this whole country right now is a mess.

    Your average home price in Ontario is around $893,200.
    Your average house hold income in Ontario is $80,000

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Fri May 24 07:54:06 2024
    Hello niter3,

    On Fri, 24 May 2024 06:26:54 -0400, you wrote to me:

    Agree, this whole country right now is a mess.

    Your average home price in Ontario is around $893,200.
    Your average house hold income in Ontario is $80,000

    WHAT IN THE ACTUAL ****!

    Income-wise it's probably about the same here, if not lower. But home prices are probably quite a bit less than that. Still outrageous compared to say, 5 years ago. I would probably made almost double what we paid for our house almost 20 years ago, but with the current prices on new houses, we would be right back into the same kind of mortgage/loan we've almost paid off over the years now.

    I don't want to start over. I'd rather pay this house off before I'm 50, try to retire by 56, and enjoy no mortgage payment the rest of my life. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Poindexter Fortran on Fri May 24 08:29:36 2024
    poindexter FORTRAN was heard saying....

    I'd hope it's across the board, otherwise you'd see fast food companies hiring lots of 39-hour-a-week employees at the lower rate, since they're not "full-time" employees.

    Our company says 32 hours is full time. That way they force you into paying for the group benefit plan.




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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Accession on Fri May 24 08:17:36 2024
    Accession was heard saying....

    And they wonder why businesses are shutting their doors all over the
    place. Either that, or charging your firstborn for some shit food.
    *shrug*

    Exactly. What we spend on food (and we stopped buying fresh produce) is
    more then tripple then it was 5 years ago. We also eat much much less.




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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Niter3 on Fri May 24 08:26:42 2024
    niter3 was heard saying....

    Should I say housing crisis!

    I've probably said this here before but here we go: We live in a clean apartment with horrible management who tries all the tiem to throw us out.
    They fix our kitchen sink with a bucket etc.

    We have a 2 bedrrom + Den and dining room. We pay $1487.15 a month and
    that includes all the utilities and indoor parking for 2 vehicles, and $15
    a month for A/C. *

    My daughter 3 floors down has a renovated unit. 2 Bedrooms, no den, no
    dining room, no storage. Pays $2213.80 PLUS utilities PLUS $185 for her
    car in a public garage and $185 for her idiots motorcycle in the same
    garage.

    This is why as much as we hate our apartment we will die there.

    *Now they are saying they want more money for A/C and to sign this form.
    My kid (who should have been a lawyer) has looked at everything she tore
    the letter up. If I sign or agree to anything it will modify my lease thus allowing the crooked managment company to make changes to our terms.
    I just told the super "Produce my lease that says I am NOT paying for A/C."
    He replied "You know the building has changed ownership and management a
    dozen times since you moved in." I said "I sure do. I have a copy of my lease, but I won't produce it until managment does first. My lawyer doesn't want me doing your job for you." - That got them to go away for 2 years,
    now it's started back up already doing the above and so far haven't heard anything back. Of course we also pay our rent at least 2 weeks early every month just to make sure they don't get us with a banking error.



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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Accession on Fri May 24 12:27:53 2024
    Income-wise it's probably about the same here, if not lower. But home prices are probably quite a bit less than that. Still outrageous
    compared to say, 5 years ago. I would probably made almost double what
    we paid for our house almost 20 years ago, but with the current prices
    on new houses, we would be right back into the same kind of
    mortgage/loan we've almost paid off over the years now.


    Yes, housing prices for us started to get silly in 2017. We purchased our home for 190k in 2013 and it now sells for 650.

    Just stupid!

    In any sense, we are feeling like we are out growing our home and looking for something else in this crazy market.

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to Tiny on Fri May 24 12:30:00 2024
    *Now they are saying they want more money for A/C and to sign this form. My kid (who should have been a lawyer) has looked at everything she tore the letter up. If I sign or agree to anything it will modify my lease thus allowing the crooked managment company to make changes to our terms. I just told the super "Produce my lease that says I am NOT paying for A/C." He replied "You know the building has changed ownership and management a dozen times since you moved in." I said "I sure do. I
    have a copy of my lease, but I won't produce it until managment does first. My lawyer doesn't want me doing your job for you." - That got them to go away for 2 years, now it's started back up already doing the above and so far haven't heard anything back. Of course we also pay our rent at least 2 weeks early every month just to make sure they don't get us with a banking error.

    Greedy fu***! I'm so tired of this, makes me upset.

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  • From Accession@21:1/200 to niter3 on Fri May 24 11:49:30 2024
    Hello niter3,

    On Fri, 24 May 2024 12:27:52 -0400, you wrote to me:

    Yes, housing prices for us started to get silly in 2017. We purchased our home for 190k in 2013 and it now sells for 650.

    Sure, they're worth well over what they *should* be worth, only to basically force you to spend double on the next house than it's worth, too.

    In any sense, we are feeling like we are out growing our home and looking for something else in this crazy market.

    We outgrew our house long ago, and I'm not really looking to do it all over again. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From k9zw@21:1/224 to niter3 on Fri May 24 06:41:51 2024
    On 24 May 2024, niter3 said the following...

    And they wonder why businesses are shutting their doors all over the place. Either that, or charging your firstborn for some shit food. *shrug*

    Agree, this whole country right now is a mess.

    Your average home price in Ontario is around $893,200.
    Your average house hold income in Ontario is $80,000

    What do you think is the cause of the dispartity?

    The "old school rule of thumb" is your house should be less than a 2.5x multiplier of your annual income.

    In the Ontario example this is so out of line as to be unworkable,

    What's up?

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to k9zw on Fri May 24 16:06:52 2024
    What do you think is the cause of the dispartity?
    In the Ontario example this is so out of line as to be unworkable,

    What's up?

    Foreign investors, supply, and a ton of other things I'm sure I don't understand.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Tiny on Fri May 24 18:33:00 2024
    Hello Tiny!

    ** On Friday 24.05.24 - 08:17, Tiny wrote to Accession:

    Exactly. What we spend on food (and we stopped buying
    fresh produce) is more then tripple then it was 5 years
    ago. We also eat much much less.

    No fresh produce? That's pretty much all I have. No processed
    foods (except some canned foods just in case) ..and I average
    $100/wk on groceries.


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Niter3 on Fri May 24 18:05:36 2024
    BY: niter3 (21:1/199)

    |11n|09> |10Yes, housing prices for us started to get silly in 2017. We purchased|07
    |11n|09> |10our home for 190k in 2013 and it now sells for 650.|07
    House purchased for 380 in 2016 and now its 660 today.


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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Utopian Galt on Fri May 24 17:51:40 2024
    On 24 May 2024, Utopian Galt said the following...

    House purchased for 380 in 2016 and now its 660 today.

    We purchased our house for 276k in 2012, the bank seemed to think it's worth 950k in 2022. Now sure how/why a cookie cutter 4 bedroom house in suburbia should cost that much...


    Jay

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Warpslide on Fri May 24 19:34:33 2024
    BY: Warpslide (21:3/110)

    |11W|09> |10We purchased our house for 276k in 2012, the bank seemed to think it's|07
    |11W|09> |10worth 950k in 2022. Now sure how/why a cookie cutter 4 bedroom house in|07
    |11W|09> |10suburbia should cost that much...|07
    Im just going to find myself a 2 bedroom house in georgia and use my 50% equity share in 15 years to move away.


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  • From Tiny@21:1/162 to Ogg on Sat May 25 07:24:24 2024
    Ogg was heard saying....

    No fresh produce? That's pretty much all I have. No processed
    foods (except some canned foods just in case) ..and I average
    $100/wk on groceries.

    I don't make that kinda money. We're tryign to live on once income while Andrea is in school so cuts have to be made. I need dental work done but
    even with benefits we can't afford it. Soon as my infection goes down
    (Dead nerve) the dentist is just gonna pull that problem tooth even though
    it's not hard to save. I just can't afford to do it correctly.

    50 years old and I live paycheque to paychque and own nothing. I never imagined my life would turn out this way.



    Tiny

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Tiny on Sat May 25 07:06:00 2024
    Tiny wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    Our company says 32 hours is full time. That way they force you into paying for the group benefit plan.

    Have you looked at how much their contribution is? They must have gotten
    in trouble with the labor board in the past, I'd surmise.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to niter3 on Sat May 25 07:56:00 2024
    niter3 wrote to Accession <=-

    Your average home price in Ontario is around $893,200.
    Your average house hold income in Ontario is $80,000

    That's an interesting data point - the ratio of home price to median
    income. When my parents bought their house in 1970, they paid $24,000.
    I'm pretty sure my dad was making about that much in a year.

    My wife and I bought a house in 2015, same state, and came in at roughly
    2.2:1 - and our income was above average at the time.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Accession on Sat May 25 07:59:00 2024
    Accession wrote to niter3 <=-

    I don't want to start over. I'd rather pay this house off before I'm
    50, try to retire by 56, and enjoy no mortgage payment the rest of my life. :)

    Yeah, even starting late in life, with my first marriage we would have
    paid off the house before we retired. Then came a HELOC for home
    improvement, a divorce, two attorneys and I started over buying 20 years
    later. The only way I could pay this off in its entirety without selling
    would be to work until I'm 80.

    Then I'll have to take out a second mortgage to pay for the cybernetics
    to keep working, which would extend my mortgage even more...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Tiny on Sat May 25 08:04:00 2024
    Tiny wrote to Niter3 <=-

    This is why as much as we hate our apartment we will die there.

    I knew people who had a 1 bedroom apartment in San Francisco - they
    started renting when the neighborhood was sketchy, but it's become
    quite hip now. They still paid $780 for it. It looked the worse for
    wear.

    In retrospect, if I had a place like that, I'd splurge for a day
    renting a carpet cleaner and buy a couple of coats of paint. Not tell
    the landlord, as to not raise suspicion.

    There's a subreddit all about renter's issues, it's amazing to see what
    landlords try to pull - since most people aren't aware of the law, it
    makes sense for them. A fraction of the poeple will object, like you
    did, and most will go along with it.

    The "the lease is invalid because the building sold" gets used a lot.





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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to niter3 on Sat May 25 08:57:00 2024
    niter3 wrote to Accession <=-

    In any sense, we are feeling like we are out growing our home and
    looking for something else in this crazy market.

    There's a lot to be said for expanding if you have room. Find a decent
    contractor and it might cost less than you think - and it's cheaper
    tham moving!

    During and after 2020, we added a shed to our backyard for around $10K
    all-in, furnished with leftover flooring from a kitchen remodel,
    drywalled, and it makes a nice study space/Zoom Room/mediatation space.

    We walled in an outdoor patio space that was open to the street and
    made a semi-enclosed courtyard. We re-used a lot of the materials,
    including a door we'd pulled out of the interior.

    We had a rat-infested storage space under the house that was our only
    storage - we don't have a garage. Our contractor was able to seal it,
    close off the walls with plywood and put in some decent lighting and
    made it a new, safe space. I always felt like I'd come out of there
    with the plague before, now it's bright and open.

    He also turned an outside space under our deck into a decent storage
    area and workshop.

    The big expense was leveling out the back yard and adding fencing. We
    added 2 1/2 feet of sand and gravel to level out the yard, put down
    fake grass in some areas and resurrected a dead drip system.

    The great thing is that you can do home improvements like this in baby
    steps.

    We weren't cramped for space before, but these improvements have given
    us additional separate space so we don't feel like we're on top of each
    other in the house.
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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat May 25 15:32:47 2024
    Re: Re: Current opinions..on worl
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to niter3 on Sat May 25 2024 07:56 am

    That's an interesting data point - the ratio of home price to median income. When my parents bought their house in 1970, they paid $24,000. I'm pretty sure my dad was making about that much in a year.

    It's crazy to think that a lot of new cars these days now cost about that much money or more (nevermind the fact that houses are insanely priced).

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