• Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games

    From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:24:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Spent some decent time at Origins and Gencon... For a young pup at 50.

    Been to Gencon twice... Usually falls at the beginning of school,
    so I can't take off and go. :-(

    Son and daughter in law live just outside Indy, so we stayed
    with them when we went. :-)






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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:26:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    We don't have one within 2 hours of me, but Half Price Books is a
    favorite when we go to Indy...

    Just saw my quoted part here... Went to Half Price Books in
    St. Louis a few weeks ago and found a mostly unpunched
    copy of Magic Realm!

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    I feel fortunate that we have a friendly local game store that has
    regular gaming nights... alas, I don't attend much... been years... but knowing that I could is a great feeling.

    Yes - that's good!






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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:30:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Bikerbob <=-


    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you want,
    with as much/or as little realism as you like.

    SJGames fan here, but never tried GURPS...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Arelor on Mon Jul 17 23:33:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Commodore Clifford <=-

    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Commodore Clifford to Bikerbob on Tue May 09 2023 08:35 am

    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you want, with
    as much/or as little realism as you like.


    I have never played GURPS myself. It looks like a wet dream for Game Masters that love to overprepare.

    GUPRS feels like the Gentoo of RPGs in that they don't give you a
    system which is ready to go out of the box: they give you a massive set
    of tools, and you combine modules from here and there to make what you need.

    It is the sort of thing I would pick if I had comitted players, just
    like Rolemaster. If you have players who want to play a month long mini-campaign and then want to try another system, you cannot really
    bet on one that takes too long to prepare.

    The Star Wars FFG rules were converted to Genisys for that same
    effect. Haven't used it for anything but Star Wars, but the
    concept is sound!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Jul 17 23:37:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Darklord <=-


    There's just nothing like being in a whole convention hall of people playing games like this (and some of these guys go all out) with like minded people you've never met.

    Agreed!!!




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to SirRonmit on Mon Jul 17 23:39:00 2023
    SirRonmit wrote to all <=-

    For me : I did get into D&D back in the mid 80s.

    But then I came across Star Frontiers, Top Secret & Top Secret S.I.,
    and TWILIGHT:2000 (then they came out with the PC version).

    Top Secret was my first RPG to play! Bought into Twilight:2000 but
    we only played a few sessions...




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to hollowone on Mon Jul 17 23:41:00 2023
    hollowone wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    AD&D 2e was the first "fantasy" RPG I played, and I have
    some books in the pod (had some MAJOR floor reworking, so had
    to box up almost everything from the house - haven't pulled
    them back in yet) that I wouldn't mind getting rid of...

    Oh... I'm pretty sure shipping to Poland would not be an option...
    If it was,I'm curious what you have!

    Still haven't pulled them out - but yeah, would probably
    be cost prohibitive...




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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Jul 18 23:02:42 2023
    On 17 Jul 23 23:24:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Spent some decent time at Origins and Gencon... For a young pup
    at 50.

    Been to Gencon twice... Usually falls at the beginning of school, so
    I can't take off and go. :-(

    Son and daughter in law live just outside Indy, so we stayed with
    them when we went. :-)
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    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Yeah, the timing isn't always good. And having somewhere to stay is
    nice. Though I've found sometimes you can get good deals. The one year
    I stayed at a place by the airport (even though that meant overshooting
    Indy since I'm from Ohio) and that was the year they had the shuttle, so
    not having to drive was amazing... that LaQuinta was a great deal. I
    think that suite was bigger than my actual apartment at the time and with
    the discount I got from working at Walmart back then, I was paying about
    $95 a night.

    The best year though was the year I won the hotel lottery and got a room
    booked in the hotel right across the street (just had to use the
    skywalk).

    That was the year I got to enjoy some drinking while gaming.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Jul 18 23:04:16 2023
    On 17 Jul 23 23:30:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Commodore Clifford wrote to Bikerbob <=-


    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you
    want, with as much/or as little realism as you like.

    SJGames fan here, but never tried GURPS...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    If you're interested, they do offer "Gurps Lite" which is a free version
    of the rules that will get you the basics of the system.

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  • From Commodore Clifford@21:3/171 to Jimmy Anderson on Tue Jul 18 23:06:16 2023
    On 17 Jul 23 23:39:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    SirRonmit wrote to all <=-

    For me : I did get into D&D back in the mid 80s.

    But then I came across Star Frontiers, Top Secret & Top Secret
    S.I., and TWILIGHT:2000 (then they came out with the PC version).

    Top Secret was my first RPG to play! Bought into Twilight:2000 but
    we only played a few sessions...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    Never actually played much Star Frontiers, but I did have some of the
    books and read them often... just couldn't find a group. :(

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Jimmy Anderson on Thu Jul 20 06:21:53 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon Jul 17 2023 11:33 pm

    The Star Wars FFG rules were converted to Genisys for that same
    effect. Haven't used it for anything but Star Wars, but the
    concept is sound!

    The only Star Wars RPG I am pseudo-familiar with is the one from West End Games, and only because it uses the D6 engine (which I have played a couple of times).

    Which sort of system is the Star Wars one from FFG?

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Sep 25 09:44:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    On 17 Jul 23 23:24:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Yeah, the timing isn't always good. And having somewhere to stay is
    nice. Though I've found sometimes you can get good deals. The one
    year I stayed at a place by the airport (even though that meant overshooting Indy since I'm from Ohio) and that was the year they had
    the shuttle, so not having to drive was amazing... that LaQuinta was a great deal. I think that suite was bigger than my actual apartment at
    the time and with the discount I got from working at Walmart back then,
    I was paying about $95 a night.

    Now that's a deal! And the shuttle too!?! Parking is not cheap...

    The best year though was the year I won the hotel lottery and got a
    room booked in the hotel right across the street (just had to use the skywalk).

    WOW! Yeah! :-) I can imagine playing more than sleeping... ;-)




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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Commodore Clifford on Mon Sep 25 09:45:00 2023
    Commodore Clifford wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    On 17 Jul 23 23:30:00 Jimmy Anderson wrote...

    Commodore Clifford wrote to Bikerbob <=-


    I'm more a GURPS fan myself. Same set of rules, any genre you
    want, with as much/or as little realism as you like.

    SJGames fan here, but never tried GURPS...

    To which Commodore Clifford replies...

    If you're interested, they do offer "Gurps Lite" which is a free
    version of the rules that will get you the basics of the system.

    Yeah - I used to be an MIB so I had paper copies of that... :-)





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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:3/122 to Arelor on Mon Sep 25 09:48:00 2023
    Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon Jul 17 2023 11:33 pm

    The Star Wars FFG rules were converted to Genisys for that same
    effect. Haven't used it for anything but Star Wars, but the
    concept is sound!

    The only Star Wars RPG I am pseudo-familiar with is the one from West
    End Games, and only because it uses the D6 engine (which I have played
    a couple of times).

    Which sort of system is the Star Wars one from FFG?

    "Narrative dice" - where you have symbols instead of numbers. You roll
    a number of 'positive dice' based on your skill, talents, help,
    equipment, etc. - and you also roll 'negative dice' based on the difficulty, environment, etc. You cancel successes with failures and you have 'other' symbols too - advantage and threat - they cancel as well. Whatever is left
    over is the result, so instead of a static D6 or D20 'pass/fail' system,
    you have "success with advantage" or "slight success with lots of advantage"
    or "failure but advantage" or "success with DISadvantage" etc.

    You use the 'other effect' to help with the narrative, or help/hinder
    PC's or NPC's, etc.





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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Jimmy Anderson on Mon Sep 25 18:14:24 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Mon Sep 25 2023 09:48 am

    "Narrative dice" - where you have symbols instead of numbers. You roll
    PC's or NPC's, etc.

    Thanks for the info.

    It sounds like wht FFG did to Warhammer 3rd edition. Nobody I know liked it.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 11:08:46 2023
    "Narrative dice" - where you have symbols instead of numbers. You roll PC's or NPC's, etc.

    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Tue Sep 26 13:32:57 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 11:08 am

    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    I thought the real narrative roll was the save-or-die roll, muahahahahaha

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Tue Sep 26 13:33:52 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 11:08 am

    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    FOr the record, there are some good storytellin/narrative games out there. YOu just have to fish for them. I don't find them to work as RPGs but they scrath the same itch.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 12:31:21 2023
    FOr the record, there are some good storytellin/narrative games out
    there. YOu just have to fish for them. I don't find them to work as RPGs but they scrath the same itch.

    Agreed and you don't need to look far. Amber was diceless by design.
    I personally was storytelling WOD games without die for years. Encouraging my palyers to be creative when they think about the dots on their character cards and I was giving handicaps and bonuses for such while I was adapting my story.

    Some liked it.. some wanted to roll anyway...

    -h1

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 12:33:55 2023
    I only know one good narrative roll.. the initiative roll :)
    It sets the narration beyond any words one can imagine!

    I thought the real narrative roll was the save-or-die roll, muahahahahaha

    Your narrative is way to cruel, mister :) I like cliffhangers that smell like a scent of suspense that has shades of gray instead of 0:1 solution :)

    Unless somebody plays Rambo who desperately wants to help police :)

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Sun Oct 1 18:57:41 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 12:31 pm

    Some liked it.. some wanted to roll anyway...

    There is something specially in rolling the dice. Lots of players love to do it even if they don't need to XD

    I was thinking of structured storytelling games, like Polaris, which give the players a rule framework to build a story.

    I once managed to run a Polaris game over audioconference. We had a wiki where we uploaded the sheets of the characters and we kept a log of everybody's story.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to hollowone on Sun Oct 1 19:02:56 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Tue Sep 26 2023 12:33 pm

    Your narrative is way to cruel, mister :) I like cliffhangers that smell lik

    Oh, that is because I don't use save-or die.

    I use:

    case save)
    Player gets a glimpse of hope and soldiers on despite the fact there is no way on Earth he will succeed.

    case don't-save)
    Something important to the player is destroyed, such as his arms and legs, but a glimpse of hope suggests things may improve somehow, if only the Gamew Master wants to cooperate, because he can't be so bad. Sure he can't.

    And now you know why I am the guy whose reputation as a Dungeon Master is THat Dungeon Master who laughts like a Hyena

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Arelor on Mon Oct 2 06:54:03 2023
    And now you know why I am the guy whose reputation as a Dungeon Master
    is THat Dungeon Master who laughts like a Hyena

    Heheh.. and yeah, I used to be like that in the past as well.. now as my books are just getting dust and are occasionally browsed, I miss the time I was actively running the games.

    Lots of fun that I hope will eventually come back one day.

    -h1

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to hollowone on Wed Oct 4 07:45:26 2023
    On 02 Oct 2023, hollowone said the following...
    And now you know why I am the guy whose reputation as a Dungeon Maste is THat Dungeon Master who laughts like a Hyena

    Heheh.. and yeah, I used to be like that in the past as well.. now as my books are just getting dust and are occasionally browsed, I miss the
    time I was actively running the games.

    Lots of fun that I hope will eventually come back one day.

    -h1

    Is it a time thing or a people thing? With Foundry VTT you can play with your friends anytime all over the world.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to claw on Wed Oct 4 10:35:57 2023
    Is it a time thing or a people thing? With Foundry VTT you can play
    with your friends anytime all over the world.

    Kind of both. I tried VTT but it ended up preparing tables and mostly for board games or card games than anything else. I played MtG with my son and then tried to convince him to play Battletech too.

    It worked for a while, but still he's different generation, can't blame him not to play games with his dad :>

    My own gen... let's say I'm one of few who's left interested in it. I have a project to revive it among my group of friends from home town and use VTT or something similar to play.. but we just can't sync up for the last 2 years.

    On potentially reaching out to strangers to join/play/run game... I don't trust I can prioritize that nor I have much time to develop new relations today..

    All above combined creates mostly a limitation in my head, perhaps... but still I mostly keep the books and read them occasionally.

    I found ChatGPT close to a game session as well.. not exactly that you can do RPG with the bot, but I had few conversations that my questions were indeed like if I was playing an investigation kind of game... it was cool.

    -h1

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to hollowone on Thu Oct 5 08:28:37 2023
    On 04 Oct 2023, hollowone said the following...
    Kind of both. I tried VTT but it ended up preparing tables and mostly
    for board games or card games than anything else. I played MtG with my
    son and then tried to convince him to play Battletech too.

    It worked for a while, but still he's different generation, can't blame him not to play games with his dad :>

    My own gen... let's say I'm one of few who's left interested in it. I
    have a project to revive it among my group of friends from home town and use VTT or something similar to play.. but we just can't sync up for the last 2 years.

    On potentially reaching out to strangers to join/play/run game... I
    don't trust I can prioritize that nor I have much time to develop new relations today..

    All above combined creates mostly a limitation in my head, perhaps...
    but still I mostly keep the books and read them occasionally.

    I found ChatGPT close to a game session as well.. not exactly that you
    can do RPG with the bot, but I had few conversations that my questions were indeed like if I was playing an investigation kind of game... it
    was cool.

    -h1

    Well I have 2 kids and I'm still going to try to get them to play it. Even if Dad is boring :p. The way I got around the whole everyone being separated is I made a Nextcloud server for with the Talk service. Its like out own private social media for just our group. The app makes it like texting but you can share pictures and see history. Share files and so on. It even has a shared calendar so you can set a schedule. Just and idea that might help you get back to it. If you are just looking for a new group. It would be nice to not have to GM/DM all the time. All are welcome on our teamspeak server. Voice.clawfest.com Just say you know Claw and everyone is pretty friendly. Right now I'm working on reading through the Dungeons and Dragons books since I haven't played since I was 12. I need to know the new rules.

    Once I can afford it I will be buying a license for Foundry VTT and setting up a server for it. Then we have the nice visual maping for the battles if nothing else.

    Let me know what you think.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to claw on Thu Oct 5 11:15:45 2023
    Voice.clawfest.com

    Sounds cool. I checked your website and I finally need to visit your board this week. I can't join voice as I'm most likely geo blocked

    I'm connecting from Poland where I live. It's CET (GMT+1) as a timezone.
    What's your timezone and typical time you're active over there?

    Once I can afford it I will be buying a license for Foundry VTT and setting up a server for it. Then we have the nice visual maping for the battles if nothing else.

    I'm huge sentimentalist for ODD and up to 2nd Edition. If I want to keep it complicated like 3E, I use Skills and Powers. If this is all about dungeon crawling and rolling, then nothing else than ODD is required.

    I never got into 5e. I have a number of 3e books on my shelf, purchased already in time I had no chance to play. I heard 5e brings back oldschool vibes but still designed to attract new generation.

    Regardless ..

    Let me know what you think.

    .. if we can only match somehow in timezones or there is heads-up that makes it easier to plan, happy to try.

    -h1

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to hollowone on Fri Oct 6 10:30:03 2023
    On 05 Oct 2023, hollowone said the following...
    Voice.clawfest.com

    Sounds cool. I checked your website and I finally need to visit your
    board this week. I can't join voice as I'm most likely geo blocked

    Strange it should be blocking anyone. we get people from all over the world connecting. It is not a website. You need the teamspeak client (Which is free) to connect to it. Teamspeak.com

    I'm connecting from Poland where I live. It's CET (GMT+1) as a timezone. What's your timezone and typical time you're active over there?


    I'm Central US I believe thats -5 GMT. I try to be on most days and am on arond 5 - 6 PM till I go to bed around 10PM and on weekends most of the time. 9 AM - 2 AM ish

    I'm huge sentimentalist for ODD and up to 2nd Edition. If I want to keep it complicated like 3E, I use Skills and Powers. If this is all about dungeon crawling and rolling, then nothing else than ODD is required.

    I never got into 5e. I have a number of 3e books on my shelf, purchased already in time I had no chance to play. I heard 5e brings back
    oldschool vibes but still designed to attract new generation.

    Regardless ..

    .. if we can only match somehow in timezones or there is heads-up that makes it easier to plan, happy to try.

    -h1

    Well It would be cool I don't mind runnig large groups so the more the better. It all just involves scaling the amount of creatures and the size of the battle areas

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to claw on Fri Oct 6 13:44:13 2023
    Strange it should be blocking anyone. we get people from all over the world connecting. It is not a website. You need the teamspeak client (Which is free) to connect to it. Teamspeak.com


    Oh.. I didn't know I need a client. I just tried the browser.

    I'm Central US I believe thats -5 GMT. I try to be on most days and am
    on arond 5 - 6 PM till I go to bed around 10PM and on weekends most of
    the time. 9 AM - 2 AM ish

    6h difference. your 6pm is my midnight then. No chance right now, but I'll try that teamspeak even if this is only passive attendance, one day.

    -h1

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to claw on Wed Oct 11 18:30:56 2023
    Re: Re: Tabletop war and roleplaying games
    By: claw to hollowone on Thu Oct 05 2023 08:28 am

    Well I have 2 kids and I'm still going to try to get them to play it. Even st our group. The app makes it like texting but you can share pictures and w group. It would be nice to not have to GM/DM all the time. All are welco ince I haven't played since I was 12. I need to know the new rules.

    I am not a super fan of playing these things online. If I am gonna go through a web interface I'd rather play a multiplayer videogame instead or a dedicated board game application (ie. an actual Terraforming Mars server, for example).

    That said, you don't need much in technical means to play an RPG online. A vioce chat with a dice bot works fine. Last time I played Polaris online I used Mumble with a custom bot for rolling dice and a wiki for players to keep track of names and events. We had a blast.

    I don't like most virtual tabletop providers because they work like silos. THey drag you in and then apply vendor lock-in on your stuff.

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  • From claw@21:1/210 to Arelor on Thu Oct 12 07:37:59 2023
    On 11 Oct 2023, Arelor said the following...
    Well I have 2 kids and I'm still going to try to get them to play it. st our group. The app makes it like texting but you can share pictures w group. It would be nice to not have to GM/DM all the time. All are ince I haven't played since I was 12. I need to know the new rules.

    I am not a super fan of playing these things online. If I am gonna go through a web interface I'd rather play a multiplayer videogame instead
    or a dedicated board game application (ie. an actual Terraforming Mars server, for example).

    That said, you don't need much in technical means to play an RPG online.
    A vioce chat with a dice bot works fine. Last time I played Polaris
    online I used Mumble with a custom bot for rolling dice and a wiki for players to keep track of names and events. We had a blast.

    I don't like most virtual tabletop providers because they work like
    silos. THey drag you in and then apply vendor lock-in on your stuff.

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    I can see that. Well I'm settled on Foundry VTT. One time license and your done. Its my server on my hardware and had tons a customizability to grow if I want. Or as simple as I need it to be. I get the idea of playing in person but at my age must people including myself have moved and getting together isn't as easy as it used to be. So this is an option to do something we loved back in the day now. I would love it if we could all GT every Thursday but I think the flights would get expensive.

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