Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Ruben Figueroa
Sysop of Prison Board BBS
WildCat: http://rdfig.net telnet://rdfig.net
Mystic: telnet://pb.darktech.org:24

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Re: Hello?
By: Ruben Figueroa to All on Sun Nov 09 2014 18:47:28

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Yup
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On 11/09/14, Ruben Figueroa pondered and said...

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Hi Ruben.

Yes my BBS carries it but there's not a lot of traffic on it. I think this is the same for a number of echoareas. Still it's nice to give them life once in
a while.

Best, Paul


`I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going' - Kerr Avon, Blake's 7

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Well I got your response and one other, Joe.

Ruben Figueroa
Sysop of Prison Board BBS
WildCat: http://rdfig.net telnet://rdfig.net
Mystic: telnet://pb.darktech.org:24

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On Sun, 09 Nov 2014, Ruben Figueroa wrote to All:

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

yes... one of the nodes in my net was recently working with the pcboard sources... they've taken a break for a while but hope to return at some point...

)\/(ark

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Re: Hello?
By: Ruben Figueroa to All on Sun Nov 09 2014 18:47:28

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Yup
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Just thought I would see if anyone is reading. I've been thinking of resurrecting my old pcboard and was just curious if there were any
around.
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Yes, I agree. That is why I posted something to see if I could get
some response. So far your it. Maybe others will join in. I haven't
checked this echo in a long time.

On 11/09/14, Ruben Figueroa pondered and said...

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Hi Ruben.

Yes my BBS carries it but there's not a lot of traffic on it. I think this

is

the same for a number of echoareas. Still it's nice to give them life once

in

a while.

Best, Paul

`I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going' - Kerr Avon, Blake's

7

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Re: Hello?
By: RUBEN FIGUEROA to Joe Delahaye on Mon Nov 10 2014 07:53:26

Just thought I would see if anyone is reading. I've been thinking of resurrecting my old pcboard and was just curious if there were any
around.

I have the whole thing backed up on CD. Restored it once. and it worked. Big reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet, etc. That would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(
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In a message dated 11-09-14, Ruben Figueroa said to All:

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Shure and still running PCBoard OS/2.

Regards,

Holger

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Re: Hello?
By: RUBEN FIGUEROA to Joe Delahaye on Mon Nov 10 2014 07:53:26

Just thought I would see if anyone is reading. I've been thinking of resurrecting my old pcboard and was just curious if there were any around.

I have the whole thing backed up on CD. Restored it once. and it worked.

Big

reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet, etc. That would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(
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That's why I quit using it also.
s

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Re: Hello?
By: RUBEN FIGUEROA to Joe Delahaye on Tue Nov 11 2014 09:08:00

reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet, etc. That
would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(

That's why I quit using it also.
s

It was possible to do so back then, but it was expensive, if I remember right. Moving to Synchronet was the easiest way to get where I wanted to be.
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Joe Delahaye wrote to RUBEN FIGUEROA <=-

reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet, etc. That
would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(

That's why I quit using it also.

You can still add telnet to PCBoard today. With OS/2 (or eComStation)
and Windows. You just need the right tools to get the job done.

... Are part-time band leaders semi-conductors?
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In a message dated 11-10-14, Joe Delahaye said to Ruben Figueroa:

GM Joe,

By: RUBEN FIGUEROA to Joe Delahaye on Mon Nov 10 2014 07:53:26

resurrecting my old pcboard and was just curious if there were any
around.

I have the whole thing backed up on CD. Restored it once. and it
worked. Big reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet,
etc. That would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(

I don't understand that unless you mean Telnet directly off the Net.
There is an application for Telnet named MTEL available for both OS/2
and Win32.

I don't have it connected to answer calls because my ISP ceased to
support POTS calls but my friend Tommi at 2:221/360 has MTel available
for users. I have connected to him a few times.


73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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Re: Hello?
By: RUBEN FIGUEROA to Joe Delahaye on Tue Nov 11 2014 09:08:00

reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet, etc. That
would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(

That's why I quit using it also.
s

It was possible to do so back then, but it was expensive, if I remember

right.

Moving to Synchronet was the easiest way to get where I wanted to be.
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Yes, I looked ways of making it available via telnet, but wasn't happy
with anything I found.
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Holger Granholm wrote to Joe Delahaye:

I have the whole thing backed up on CD. Restored it once. and it
worked. Big reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet,
etc. That would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(

I don't understand that unless you mean Telnet directly off the
Net. There is an application for Telnet named MTEL available for
both OS/2 and Win32.

one can use a telnet ""server"" frontend that answers the calls and passes them
to comport expecting software... some folks call them shims... others see them for what they are... virtual modems... no fossil required... they've been around since before win95 appeared in the wild ;)

)\/(ark


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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, RUBEN FIGUEROA wrote to Joe Delahaye:

Yes, I looked ways of making it available via telnet, but wasn't
happy with anything I found.

what were you looking at? the winwhatever world has always been trying to catch
up to the OS2 world as far as providing standard POTS capable software with the
ability to handle telnet connections... it wasn't until mike at pcmicro came out with his software that winwhatever even had half a chance of doing with we've been doing for decades...

)\/(ark


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Holger Granholm wrote to Joe Delahaye <=-

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I've thought about pulling my M250 PCB installation out of mothballs and
giving it a try under eCS 2.1 :)

... Lye, Cheetham, and Steele: Attorneys at Law
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Re: Re: Hello?
By: ROBERT WOLFE to JOE DELAHAYE on Tue Nov 11 2014 18:27:00

You can still add telnet to PCBoard today. With OS/2 (or eComStation)
and Windows. You just need the right tools to get the job done.

Yes I am aware. Even back then you were able to do so, if you wanted to pay for the privilege. There was a program that would do it, but it was expensive if I remember right. I think it is free now but not sure and I am unable to remember its name <G>
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Re: Re: Hello?
By: Holger Granholm to Joe Delahaye on Tue Nov 11 2014 09:30:00

I have the whole thing backed up on CD. Restored it once. and it
worked. Big reason I stopped using it was because I wanted telnet,
etc. That would have come had they not gone Bankrupt. :(

I don't understand that unless you mean Telnet directly off the Net.
There is an application for Telnet named MTEL available for both OS/2
and Win32.

I don't have it connected to answer calls because my ISP ceased to
support POTS calls but my friend Tommi at 2:221/360 has MTel available
for users. I have connected to him a few times.

I use MTel daily Holger. PCB will not answer Telnet calls, without a go between. It is possible to do so, but I no longer remember the name of the program used. At the time I quit with PCB it was too expensive for me, but I believe it is either free now, or cheap enough.
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Joe Delahaye wrote to Holger Granholm <=-

I use MTel daily Holger. PCB will not answer Telnet calls, without a
go between. It is possible to do so, but I no longer remember the name
of the program used. At the time I quit with PCB it was too expensive
for me, but I believe it is either free now, or cheap enough.

NetSerial I believe is $25.00 for Sysops. And if run under OS/2 or eComStation, you can still grab SIO2k or SIO 1.60D from Hobbes or other archives.

... Feed your faith and starve your doubts to death.
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, RUBEN FIGUEROA wrote to Joe Delahaye:

Yes, I looked ways of making it available via telnet, but wasn't
happy with anything I found.

what were you looking at? the winwhatever world has always been trying to ca

up to the OS2 world as far as providing standard POTS capable software with

ability to handle telnet connections... it wasn't until mike at pcmicro came

out with his software that winwhatever even had half a chance of doing with we've been doing for decades...

)\/(ark

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PCMicro was one that I looked at but decided against spending the
money. I went with Winserver (wildcat) that had built in http, smtp,
telnet, pop3, nntp, ftp, etc. A full package. I still run it. If
this Mystic had been around with its current package I never would have
gone that route. So now I run Winserver and Mystic bbs's. Right now,
I am planning on using Gamesrv to load either PCBoard or Mystic bbs's.
But I will decide on this if I can make the time to do this.

... 69, 714, 2112 Sex, drugs, rock'n'roll
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Re: Re: Hello?
By: ROBERT WOLFE to JOE DELAHAYE on Wed Nov 12 2014 09:24:00

NetSerial I believe is $25.00 for Sysops. And if run under OS/2 or eComStation, you can still grab SIO2k or SIO 1.60D from Hobbes or other archives.

Yeah, that is the one. I thought I read someplace that it was now free. Maybe not though.
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In a message dated 11-12-14, Robert Wolfe said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Robert,

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I've thought about pulling my M250 PCB installation out of mothballs
and giving it a try under eCS 2.1 :)

If your package contains the PCBOARD2.EXE you can run it under eCS or
OS/2 Warp.

If it contains the PCBOARDM.EXE it's a 32 bit DOS version and will run
in the DOS mode named OS2DOS in OS/2 Warp.

Have a nice day,

Holger

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Holger Granholm wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

I've thought about pulling my M250 PCB installation out of mothballs
and giving it a try under eCS 2.1 :)

If your package contains the PCBOARD2.EXE you can run it under eCS or
OS/2 Warp.

If it contains the PCBOARDM.EXE it's a 32 bit DOS version and will run
in the DOS mode named OS2DOS in OS/2 Warp.

After looking, it actually has both :)

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In a message dated 11-14-14, Robert Wolfe said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Robert,

If your package contains the PCBOARD2.EXE you can run it under eCS or
OS/2 Warp.

If it contains the PCBOARDM.EXE it's a 32 bit DOS version and will run
in the DOS mode named OS2DOS in OS/2 Warp.

After looking, it actually has both :)

The original installation usually has and in addition a PCBOARD.EXE for
ancient 8-bit DOS.

If you install any of them you will need information on patching the
.EXE for Y2K. I do have it available if you want to edit the hex code.

Regards,

Holger

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If it contains the PCBOARDM.EXE it's a 32 bit DOS version and

will run HG> in the DOS mode named OS2DOS in OS/2 Warp.
After looking, it actually has both :)

Didn't you once say you have the PCBoard manuals? Why not give them to
somebody who uses PCBoard? You can't take them with you when you leave
this world. ;-)

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yes... one of the nodes in my net was recently working with the
pcboard sources... they've taken a break for a while but hope to
return at some point...

It's still in the back of my mind. As I posted in another message, I do
have the right stuff for inbound telnet now. But it's hard to see why I
should actally do it.

Luis Silva at msmacbbs has the best PCBoard BBS on the planet (it's
where I'm posting from now). Though it's not hard to be the best when
it's the only one! There may be a few others, but they're more or less private, or virtually unknown, or chronically broken, I won't mention
any names.

And desipte being a fine PCBoard BBS, msmacbbs gets very few callers.
I appear to be the only regular one. With such little interest from the public, it's hard to get motivated to put mine back online.

Glad to see you're still online though. And thanks to Luis Silva for
running msmacbbs!

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Yes, I looked ways of making it available via telnet, but wasn't
happy with anything I found.

Luis Silva's BBS, where I'm posting from now, uses netfoss on Windows.
It's still maintained, the author recently released v1.12. And it works
well enough for me to post these messages.

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I am planning on using Gamesrv to load either PCBoard or Mystic
bbs's. But I will decide on this if I can make the time to do this.

Is gamesrv still maintained? As least netfoss is. It's from PCMicro but
it's a free version. And of course who has the time, considering nobody
will call you?

Not trying to rain on your parade, but if nostalgia is the only reason,
I think it's poor investment of time. I did it for other reaons, to
have an operating environment for programming experimentation, to see
what I could learn.

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Hello John.

29 Nov 14 23:14, you wrote to me:

Didn't you once say you have the PCBoard manuals? Why not give them to somebody who uses PCBoard? You can't take them with you when you leave this world. ;-)

I do, actually, plus the installation disks on CD :)

Robert

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I use netfoss for my bbs that runs Mystic bbs software. Works great.

Yes, I looked ways of making it available via telnet, but wasn't
happy with anything I found.

Luis Silva's BBS, where I'm posting from now, uses netfoss on Windows.
It's still maintained, the author recently released v1.12. And it works
well enough for me to post these messages.

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GameSrv is still active. I use it as a front end so my users can
connect to either the wildcat bbs or the mystic bbs. Try it. Use your
telnet software to telnet to rdfig.net

I do have users, sometimes up to 10-12 in a day. Considering the
history of bbs long time ago not much, but in this day it is a lot.
Most times averge about 4-6 users in a day.

I do have a following of regular users, so putting up PCBoard would not
be a waste of time.

I am planning on using Gamesrv to load either PCBoard or Mystic
bbs's. But I will decide on this if I can make the time to do this.

Is gamesrv still maintained? As least netfoss is. It's from PCMicro but it's a free version. And of course who has the time, considering nobody
will call you?

Not trying to rain on your parade, but if nostalgia is the only reason,
I think it's poor investment of time. I did it for other reaons, to
have an operating environment for programming experimentation, to see
what I could learn.

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Didn't you once say you have the PCBoard manuals? Why not give
them to somebody who uses PCBoard?

I do, actually, plus the installation disks on CD :)

Robert

I'll pay the shipping cost if you send them to me.

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In a message dated 11-30-14, Robert Wolfe said to John Kelly:

Hi John and Robert,

Didn't you once say you have the PCBoard manuals? Why not give them to somebody who uses PCBoard? You can't take them with you when you leave this world. ;-)

I do, actually, plus the installation disks on CD :)

What an excellent idea! I could do the same with all my PCBoard related software if I can find somebody that needs/wants it.

Seasons Greetings,

Holger

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I do have a following of regular users, so putting up PCBoard would
not be a waste of time.

In that case, I would recommend getting the source, the date bug and
others have been fixed. See recent posts in alt.bbs.pcboard for a
download link.

--- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
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Didn't you once say you have the PCBoard manuals? Why not give
them to somebody who uses PCBoard?

What an excellent idea! I could do the same with all my PCBoard
related software if I can find somebody that needs/wants it.

I once had PCBoard manuals and license disks. But during a household
move, they were either lost or inadvertently thrown away. I want to
replace the set of manuals, if I can find anyone willing to part with
theirs.

If somebody has manuals, and they're not using PCBoard, it's not likely
they'll ever run PCBoard again. It's too much work to cobble everything together, compared to the ease of synchronet. They might as well donate
their PCBoard manuals to a good cause, namely me. I can put them to good
use.

--- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
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Thanks for the info.

I do have a following of regular users, so putting up PCBoard would
not be a waste of time.

In that case, I would recommend getting the source, the date bug and
others have been fixed. See recent posts in alt.bbs.pcboard for a
download link.

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In a message dated 12-02-14, John Kelly said to Holger Granholm:

Hi John,

If somebody has manuals, and they're not using PCBoard, it's not
likely they'll ever run PCBoard again. It's too much work to cobble everything together, compared to the ease of synchronet. They might
as well donate their PCBoard manuals to a good cause, namely me. I
can put them to good use.

Well, as you know I'm using PCBoard and will not part with the manuals.
I still have all the manuals for v14.5, Warp v3.0 and Warp 4 v15.2 but
only the installation disks and CD's for the v15.2 and v15.4 beta.

The diskettes for the pre 15.2 versions have been reused because OS/2
doesn't need so much storage for programs or text files as Windows.

Seasons Greetings,

Holger

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--- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2
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Well, as you know I'm using PCBoard and will not part with the
manuals.

I know, I was not asking for yours. But some people who are NOT using
PCBoard don't need their manuals.

I'm getting by without manuals, I have *.txt file docs, though I don't
know if they are identical to the printed manuals. And there is always
the source code to look at, for true and final answers, though it can be tedious and time consuming, searching all that code to find an answer.

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In a message dated 12-04-14, John Kelly said to Holger Granholm:

Hi John,

I'm getting by without manuals, I have *.txt file docs, though I
don't know if they are identical to the printed manuals.

I would say that the .txt and .doc files are additional info that may
not be in the manuals or that slipped the original documentation.

Seasons Greetings,

Holger

___
* MR/2 2.30 * Old age is better than the alternative.


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Re: Re: Hello?
By: Holger Granholm to John Kelly on Fri Dec 05 2014 09:51:00

I would say that the .txt and .doc files are additional info that may
not be in the manuals or that slipped the original documentation.

If memory serves me, there was a digital manual available., when the company was still publishing. I believe it was a more condensed version of the printed manual though. I may have it here. I have a lot of PCB stuff available for download here.
--- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
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If memory serves me, there was a digital manual available., when the
company was still publishing. I believe it was a more condensed
version of the printed manual though. I may have it here. I have a
lot of PCB stuff available for download here.

That's what I have. They contain enough info to get you running, but it
would still be nice to have the printed manuals. Never know what you're
missing until you see it.

--- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
* Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)

Re: Re: Hello?
By: John Kelly to Joe Delahaye on Sat Dec 06 2014 21:22:00

If memory serves me, there was a digital manual available., when the
company was still publishing. I believe it was a more condensed
version of the printed manual though. I may have it here. I have a
lot of PCB stuff available for download here.

That's what I have. They contain enough info to get you running, but it would still be nice to have the printed manuals. Never know what you're missing until you see it.

I have both the purple (original) and the white (update) versions. They cost me a lot of money back in the day. I still have a full backup of my PCB system --- SBBSecho 2.27-Win32
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I have both the purple (original) and the white (update) versions.
They cost me a lot of money back in the day. I still have a full
backup of my PCB system

That's nice. But what's the point if you never use them again. Why
not sell them on Ebay. Or is it more fun to hoard them until you die?

--- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
* Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)

Re: Re: Hello?
By: John Kelly to Joe Delahaye on Sun Dec 07 2014 18:09:00

That's nice. But what's the point if you never use them again. Why
not sell them on Ebay. Or is it more fun to hoard them until you die?

Its the same point (reason) I still have my old Colour Computer 3, which still works, and looks awesome on a 60 inch screen <G>
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In a message dated 12-06-14, Joe Delahaye said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Joe,

If memory serves me, there was a digital manual available., when the company was still publishing. I believe it was a more condensed
version of the printed manual though. I may have it here. I have
a lot of PCB stuff available for download here.

I have no recollection of a digital manual but it may be due to the fact
that I prefer printed matter that I can read anywhere.

My manual for PCB v14.5a consists of a folder filled with printed out
material so that manual may originally have been a .txt or a .doc file.

The folder has a front cover covered by what by then been a shipping
carton and a back from that same package.

I don't however think that I still have those disks or diskettes it was delivered on. That version may even have been shipped on 5.25" disks
which time would probably have been made unreadable.

Happy Holidays,

Holger

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Re: Re: Hello?
By: Holger Granholm to Joe Delahaye on Sun Dec 07 2014 09:38:00

I have no recollection of a digital manual but it may be due to the fact that I prefer printed matter that I can read anywhere.

My manual for PCB v14.5a consists of a folder filled with printed out material so that manual may originally have been a .txt or a .doc file.

The folder has a front cover covered by what by then been a shipping carton and a back from that same package.

I don't however think that I still have those disks or diskettes it was delivered on. That version may even have been shipped on 5.25" disks
which time would probably have been made unreadable.

I have the disks for both 14.5 and 15, and the printed manuals for both. I paid for the manuals. At least for the Ver 15 manual. I think the purple ver 14.5 came in the package. but it was over $200
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Its the same point (reason) I still have my old Colour Computer 3,
which still works, and looks awesome on a 60 inch screen <G>

If you still use it, that's fine. But you'll never use those PCBoard
manuals again. You wouldn't switch back to PCBoard even if somebody held
your hand and compiled the source for you.

You can donate the manuals to Bitsavers, where you can still read them,
and others can too.

But I doubt that. Seems you would rather hoard them so you can pop in
here from time to time, and brag about having them. I expect you will
take them to the grave. And then your heirs will toss them in the trash.

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Re: Re: Hello?
By: John Kelly to Joe Delahaye on Mon Dec 08 2014 18:36:00

If you still use it, that's fine. But you'll never use those PCBoard manuals again. You wouldn't switch back to PCBoard even if somebody held your hand and compiled the source for you.

Sorry, a programmer I am not. If somebody compiled the source and made it available with changes that would make it work under today's conditions, I would be willing to even pay for some of that, and I would go back.

You can donate the manuals to Bitsavers, where you can still read them, and others can too.

There are many more with manuals that can do the same.

But I doubt that. Seems you would rather hoard them so you can pop in
here from time to time, and brag about having them. I expect you will
take them to the grave. And then your heirs will toss them in the trash.

You are correct. I will not. I use them at times when I do play with PCB. I still support PCB. My BBS has a multitude of files related to it.
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In a message dated 12-07-14, Holger Granholm said to Joe Delahaye:

Hello Joe,

A correction:

The folder has a front cover covered by what by then been a shipping
carton and a back from that same package.

The folder has a front cover covered by what may have been a shipping
carton and a back from the same package. Both have probably been cut
from the same carton.

I don't recall how the software was shipped.

Seasons Greetings,

73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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Sorry, a programmer I am not. If somebody compiled the source and
made it available with changes that would make it work under today's conditions, I would be willing to even pay for some of that, and I
would go back.

The tools are freely available for PCBoard inbound telnet, see my other
posts. But you need a linux box to run the inbound telnet proxy, and
back end boxes running DOS or Windows 3.1, for the PCBoard nodes. And
you need a Netware 5.1 server for shared files. That's free too if you
know where to look.

I don't care if you run Synchronet, PCBoard, or whatever. And if you
want to play with PCBoard for old times sake, that's your business. But
when you say you would go back, I don't believe it.

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If somebody compiled the source and made it available

I have compiled the source. It's no harder than compiling a PPE. If you
can do that, you can build the PCBoard main executable from source.

Download the .zip file, unpack it to a work directory, see src153.txt,
and follow its instructions. You don't need extra tools, everything is included. The resulting PCBOARDM.EXE will not check for a license. You
can build it for any number of nodes, but the default is 25. No one has
enough callers to exceed that, and higher node counts would only waste
memory with larger internal data structures.

make it work under today's conditions

Telnet, yes. HTTP and web, forget it. Nobody cares about your little BBS
web site. There are millions of more useful sites. You have no chance of standing out from the Internet crowd. If you get some telnet callers who
enjoy an old time ANSI text mode experience, that's all you can expect.

I would be willing to even pay

The PCBoard source code is tied to the 16-bit architecture, all the way
to its core. It took a team of programmers at least five years to reach
the 15.x level of functionality, and it would take another team at least
ten years to untangle the convoluted mess the first team wrote.

If you're willing to take the multibox route, a Netware server, linux
proxy, DOS/Windows nodes, etc., then the 16-bit architecture works just
fine, and you can use it right now.

But if you think "today's conditions" mean a single box, Win32 version
of PCBoard, then I need funding for the ten year project above. I think
it can be done for $5 million (USD) per year, so with $50 million in the
bank, I can hire a team.

Soon as I get your check for $50 million, we'll get started!

:-D

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Re: Re: Hello?
By: John Kelly to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 09 2014 09:20:00

The tools are freely available for PCBoard inbound telnet, see my other posts. But you need a linux box to run the inbound telnet proxy, and
back end boxes running DOS or Windows 3.1, for the PCBoard nodes. And
you need a Netware 5.1 server for shared files. That's free too if you know where to look.

That seems like an abnormal amount of hardware to run. I ran 5 nodes on my windows 95 and 98 machines. At first with Dos and/or windows for workgroups, I had 3 different machines running a node each, mainly because of serial port needs. I will say I ran 5 nodes, but only two were actually accesable as I only had two modems attached. That network, BTW was run under Lantastic

I don't care if you run Synchronet, PCBoard, or whatever. And if you
want to play with PCBoard for old times sake, that's your business. But when you say you would go back, I don't believe it.

Believe what you want.
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Re: Re: Hello?
By: John Kelly to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 09 2014 21:02:00

I have compiled the source. It's no harder than compiling a PPE. If you can do that, you can build the PCBoard main executable from source.

Does it include a compiler? Seems to me, If I remember correctly, it is written in C.

Download the .zip file, unpack it to a work directory, see src153.txt,
and follow its instructions. You don't need extra tools, everything is included. The resulting PCBOARDM.EXE will not check for a license. You
can build it for any number of nodes, but the default is 25. No one has enough callers to exceed that, and higher node counts would only waste memory with larger internal data structures.

Agreed. I sometimes have 3 nodes in use, but that is about the extent of it.

make it work under today's conditions

Telnet, yes. HTTP and web, forget it. Nobody cares about your little BBS web site. There are millions of more useful sites. You have no chance of standing out from the Internet crowd. If you get some telnet callers who enjoy an old time ANSI text mode experience, that's all you can expect.

There are plenty of people using the web side of my BBS actually. I dont care to stand out, I dont just run the BBS web server here. I have two others besides.

I would be willing to even pay

The PCBoard source code is tied to the 16-bit architecture, all the way
to its core. It took a team of programmers at least five years to reach the 15.x level of functionality, and it would take another team at least ten years to untangle the convoluted mess the first team wrote.

You did mean the second team? Many of the original team left PCB 15.x was mostly updated by the second team. David Terry had already left, and so had several other key players.. I am aware it is 16 bit architecture. There was a web based entity that was being worked on as well. I dont recall the name of that.
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In a message dated 12-08-14, John Kelly said to Joe Delahaye:

Hello John,

But I doubt that. Seems you would rather hoard them so you can pop
in here from time to time, and brag about having them. I expect you
will take them to the grave. And then your heirs will toss them in
the trash.

It seems to me that you are visiting this echo just to spit on people.

We can do without that.

Regards,

Holger

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In a message dated 12-08-14, Joe Delahaye said to Holger Granholm:

GM Joe,

I have the disks for both 14.5 and 15, and the printed manuals for
both. I paid for the manuals. At least for the Ver 15 manual. I
think the purple ver 14.5 came in the package. but it was over $200

When I read purple I remembered a purple manual up on my bookshelf.
Right, there it is, the manual for v15. Expensive it had been too.

TNX for reminding me!

When delivered sept. 9 1993 it cost me over 1000.- FinnMarks but that
is a long forgotten currency since we are now using the Euro.


CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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Re: Re: Hello?
By: Holger Granholm to Joe Delahaye on Tue Dec 09 2014 09:20:00

When I read purple I remembered a purple manual up on my bookshelf.
Right, there it is, the manual for v15. Expensive it had been too.

TNX for reminding me!

You're welcome, even though it was accidental <G>

When delivered sept. 9 1993 it cost me over 1000.- FinnMarks but that
is a long forgotten currency since we are now using the Euro.

I dont remember what I paid for v15 upgrade, but I do remember paying $200 plus Canadian for Ver 14.x. If CDC had not gone bankrupt, we would now have a full windows capable, program. I seem to recall an add on that would read mail in html. I will have to look at my backup to see. BTW, should you care to check it out, I have a whole file area dedicated to PCB
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It seems to me that you are visiting this echo just to spit on
people. We can do without that.

I can do without non performing braggarts and their windy words.

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Re: Re: Hello?
By: John Kelly to Holger Granholm on Wed Dec 10 2014 15:05:00

I can do without non performing braggarts and their windy words.

Have you looked in the mirror lately? It seems to me you are describing your actions in this echo, to a T. You dont like the fact that I do not wish to give up my manuals Too bad. For a long time I used the digital one as well after some upgrades.. When I tell you that I would return to PCB in a minute if it were to do what I wanted, you can take that to the bank and cash it. The only one seemingly creating unharmonious feelings here, seems to be you.
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In a message dated 12-10-14, Joe Delahaye said to Holger Granholm:

GM Joe,

I dont remember what I paid for v15 upgrade, but I do remember
paying $200 plus Canadian for Ver 14.x. If CDC had not gone
bankrupt, we would now have a full windows capable, program.

I certainly do have the receipt of what and when I paid to CDC for
the various updates as I have for all the shareware programs I have
registered but they are not all in one place.

For the v15 I have written the price paid on the inside of the cover
as well as the pay date. That's why I knew it when I pulled it from
the bookshelf.

I seem to recall an add on that would read mail in html.
I will have to look at my backup to see.

I don't recall anything about a html reader for PCB but I have added
html translation to/from ascii to my Semware Editor in addition to the translations from/to Latin 1, Mac and IBM PC8 I had there earlier.

I can change between QEdit/2 and TSE/DOS in my OLR by switching btwn
two lines in the MR2.INI. As you know DOS programs work well in OS/2.

I do also have a lot of programs for PCB in the BBS file areas as well
as stored on diskettes. 3.5" diskettes are still a viable storage for
OS/2 programs since they are more compact than Windows ditto.

Of course the USB sticks are the best storage of all since they don't
need any refresh to keep their contents intact.

BTW, should you care to check it out, I
have a whole file area dedicated to PCB

TNX.

73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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JOE DELAHAYE wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-

You can still add telnet to PCBoard today. With OS/2 (or eComStation)
and Windows. You just need the right tools to get the job done.

Yes I am aware. Even back then you were able to do so, if you wanted
to pay for the privilege. There was a program that would do it, but it was expensive if I remember right. I think it is free now but not sure and I am unable to remember its name <G>

Heh. Yeah, for OS/2 it was SIO and it wasn't that expensive. These days
for Windows, I do it all with GameSrv and NetFoss :)

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JOE DELAHAYE wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-

Re: Re: Hello?
By: ROBERT WOLFE to JOE DELAHAYE on Wed Nov 12 2014 09:24:00

NetSerial I believe is $25.00 for Sysops. And if run under OS/2 or eComStation, you can still grab SIO2k or SIO 1.60D from Hobbes or other archives.

Yeah, that is the one. I thought I read someplace that it was now
free. Maybe not though.

Nope. There is a "cracked" version 1.60D out there somewhere. The last time
I talked to its developer Ray Gwinn he said he would pick up developing it again depending on how well ArcaOS was accepted.

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RUBEN FIGUEROA wrote to ALL <=-

Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Ruben Figueroa
Sysop of Prison Board BBS
WildCat: http://rdfig.net telnet://rdfig.net
Mystic: telnet://pb.darktech.org:24

Yep :)

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Re: Re: Hello?
By: Robert Wolfe to Joe Delahaye on Wed Jan 11 2017 20:43:00

You can still add telnet to PCBoard today. With OS/2 (or
eComStation) and Windows. You just need the right tools to get the

job done.

Yes I am aware. Even back then you were able to do so, if you
wanted to pay for the privilege. There was a program that would do
it, but it was expensive if I remember right. I think it is free
now but not sure and I am unable to remember its name <G>

Heh. Yeah, for OS/2 it was SIO and it wasn't that expensive. These days for Windows, I do it all with GameSrv and NetFoss :)

I'll keep those in mind as well
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On 2017 Jan 12 13:10:26, you wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Yes I am aware. Even back then you were able to do so, if you
wanted to pay for the privilege. There was a program that would do
it, but it was expensive if I remember right. I think it is free
now but not sure and I am unable to remember its name <G>

Heh. Yeah, for OS/2 it was SIO and it wasn't that expensive. These
days for Windows, I do it all with GameSrv and NetFoss :)

I'll keep those in mind as well

netfoss and/or netserial is what i was speaking of that pcmike has available...
IIRC, there's also a special rate for sysops...

)\/(ark

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MARK LEWIS wrote to JOE DELAHAYE <=-

netfoss and/or netserial is what i was speaking of that pcmike has available... IIRC, there's also a special rate for sysops...

NetSerial is available to Sysops for $25.00 I believe. NETFOSS is open
source.

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Anyone still lurking in this echo?

Yup
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Is it cold there now. Still in the 70's here in Texas with Wednesday
forecast high of 79. Lows in low 60.

How is it up there?

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