• Re: Umm.. PCBoard Natural

    From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Gaylen Hintz on Thu Dec 5 17:49:00 2013
    In a message dated 11-04-13, Gaylen Hintz said to John Kelly:

    Hello Gaylen,

    Interesting. BTW, I would really like to try PCBoard, where can I
    find the complete program and maybe a registration code to go with
    it? All I've been able to find on the net are the OS/2 versions of
    the program. I'm interested in the DOS only. :)

    I have been running PCB since v14.5a. Since OS/2 capability was
    introduced all installations have included both DOS (2 versions) and
    the OS/2 files.

    Having run it first under PC-DOS / Desqview and then under OS/2 I can
    strongly recommend running under OS/2.

    Maybe you could find an OS/2 Warp 4 installation kit = 2 CDs somewhere.

    Seasons Greetings,

    Holger

    ---
    MR/2 2.30 This OS/2 system uptime is 441 days 07:25 hours (en).

    * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228)
  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to Janis Kracht on Thu Dec 5 17:49:00 2013
    In a message dated 11-06-13, Janis Kracht said to Gaylen Hintz:

    Hi Janis,

    I have these here at http://www.filegate.net/pcb/pcb-misc/, they
    seem to be for DOS and OS2 according to the file_id.diz..

    pcb153-1.zip 000312 1192k 0 This file is 1 of 4 and is supposed
    to be a fully enabled, free version
    of PCBoard v1.53.
    Please test first, and use at your
    own risk.
    --------- cut --------

    This is from the file_id.diz:

    <********** PCBOARD **********>
    Pcboard BBS Version 15.3 Final.
    Pcboard 100 node version with
    OS/2 Code, Multiport Code, &
    DOS Code. Includes PPL. Also
    has Comm Driver Release. This
    Released 09/06/96

    As the file_id.diz states these files are PCBoard v15.3 version.
    Version 15.4 Beta came later but was not complete.

    Seasons Greetings,

    Holger

    ---
    MR/2 2.30 As I said before, I never repeat myself.
    * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Holger Granholm on Tue Dec 17 01:55:00 2013
    I'm interested in the DOS only. :)

    I have been running PCB since v14.5a. Since OS/2 capability was
    introduced all installations have included both DOS (2 versions) and
    the OS/2 files.

    Having run it first under PC-DOS / Desqview and then under OS/2 I can strongly recommend running under OS/2.

    Maybe you could find an OS/2 Warp 4 installation kit = 2 CDs
    somewhere.

    Once upon a time, before IBM abandoned it, I used OS/2. Seems like
    you would need some old hardware to have Warp 4 compatible devices
    though.

    I did some testing with the DOS version on WFWG 3.11, using the updated
    WFWG serial driver and a cheapo 2-port multiport serial card. I got 2
    nodes running, an upload on one, a download on the other, and copying a
    file across the network at 100mbs, all at the same time, without
    dropping any characters on the serial ports. The file copy throughput
    was about 80mbs, or 80% of wire capacity. Pretty good for Windows 3.1.

    It looked so good, I planned to use it. But later I discovered that
    running a big compile job and opening DOS windows at the same time would
    crash the machine. Seems my CPU is too fast for Windows 3.1. Windows 95, unpatched, is known to have problems with CPUs faster than 350mhz. And
    I'm guessing similar problems lurk in Windows 3.1. Too bad there are no
    patches for it. I tested Windows 95 too, but its network thoughput is
    pretty bad, only about 30mbs. I also tested Windows 98. They fixed the
    network problem, but messed up the serial driver.

    The only solution would be to run old hardware, CPU <= 350mhz. But
    that's hard to find nowdays, even on Ebay.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Holger Granholm on Tue Dec 17 01:55:00 2013
    I'm interested in the DOS only. :)

    I have been running PCB since v14.5a. Since OS/2 capability was
    introduced all installations have included both DOS (2 versions) and
    the OS/2 files.

    Having run it first under PC-DOS / Desqview and then under OS/2 I can strongly recommend running under OS/2.

    Maybe you could find an OS/2 Warp 4 installation kit = 2 CDs
    somewhere.

    Once upon a time, before IBM abandoned it, I used OS/2. Seems like
    you would need some old hardware to have Warp 4 compatible devices
    though.

    I did some testing with the DOS version on WFWG 3.11, using the updated
    WFWG serial driver and a cheapo 2-port multiport serial card. I got 2
    nodes running, an upload on one, a download on the other, and copying a
    file across the network at 100mbs, all at the same time, without
    dropping any characters on the serial ports. The file copy throughput
    was about 80mbs, or 80% of wire capacity. Pretty good for Windows 3.1.

    It looked so good, I planned to use it. But later I discovered that
    running a big compile job and opening DOS windows at the same time would
    crash the machine. Seems my CPU is too fast for Windows 3.1. Windows 95, unpatched, is known to have problems with CPUs faster than 350mhz. And
    I'm guessing similar problems lurk in Windows 3.1. Too bad there are no
    patches for it. I tested Windows 95 too, but its network thoughput is
    pretty bad, only about 30mbs. I also tested Windows 98. They fixed the
    network problem, but messed up the serial driver.

    The only solution would be to run old hardware, CPU <= 350mhz. But
    that's hard to find nowdays, even on Ebay.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to John Kelly on Mon Dec 23 09:32:00 2013
    In a message dated 12-17-13, John Kelly said to Holger Granholm:

    Hello John,

    Maybe you could find an OS/2 Warp 4 installation kit = 2 CDs
    somewhere.

    Once upon a time, before IBM abandoned it, I used OS/2. Seems like
    you would need some old hardware to have Warp 4 compatible devices JK>though.

    I can't see the reason for that. I have recently installed Warp 4 on a
    modern machine and am going to install it on a 1.75 MHz Thinkpad,

    There are however a couple of fixpaks to be considered but I do have
    them. So far I haven't needed them.

    It looked so good, I planned to use it. But later I discovered that JK>running a big compile job and opening DOS windows at the same time
    would crash the machine. Seems my CPU is too fast for Windows 3.1.

    Those symptoms are known from my use of DOS / Desqview although it never
    did crash but did become very slow.

    The only solution would be to run old hardware, CPU <= 350mhz. But JK>that's hard to find nowdays, even on Ebay.

    That is a good solution. The OS/2 Warp 5 operating systems requires very
    little processor power and occupies only 120 Mb on the HD. That means
    that you have plenty of space even in a 1 Gb partition.

    Happy Holidays,

    Holger

    ___
    * MR/2 2.30 * Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.



    --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2
    * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228)
  • From ROBERT WOLFE@1:116/18 to John Kelly on Thu Dec 26 11:53:22 2013
    You know, they still make eComstation which runs OS/2 stuff and DOS
    stuff natively on newer hardware.
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
    * Origin: Omicron Theta * Memphis, TN * bbs.rivernet.us (1:116/18)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Robert Wolfe on Sat Dec 28 02:56:00 2013
    You know, they still make eComstation which runs OS/2 stuff and DOS
    stuff natively on newer hardware.

    Last I heard that's what Mark uses. Maybe he will give us a report ...

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Holger Granholm on Sat Dec 28 03:28:00 2013
    Maybe you could find an OS/2 Warp 4 installation kit = 2 CDs
    somewhere.

    If somebody makes ISO images and posts an Emule link, maybe I can ...


    There are however a couple of fixpaks to be considered but I do have
    them. So far I haven't needed them.

    Those too.


    The only solution would be to run old hardware, CPU <= 350mhz.
    But JK>that's hard to find nowdays, even on Ebay.

    That is a good solution. The OS/2 Warp 5 operating systems requires
    very little processor power and occupies only 120 Mb on the HD. That
    means that you have plenty of space even in a 1 Gb partition.

    Not so good really. Motherboards of that vintage are 20 years old now.
    That exceeds the life expectancy of the electrolytic capacitors onboard.
    They can be replaced at small cost, if you can do the job yourself, but
    it requires steady hands and good eyesight.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to John Kelly on Sun Dec 29 09:24:00 2013
    In a message dated 12-28-13, John Kelly said to Holger Granholm:

    Maybe you could find an OS/2 Warp 4 installation kit = 2 CDs
    somewhere.

    If somebody makes ISO images and posts an Emule link, maybe I can

    After installation you also have to use a hex editor on the PCBoard.EXE
    file to make it Y2K compatible and if it's a Warp 4 Beta to also remove
    the limit the beta could be used.

    Not so good really. Motherboards of that vintage are 20 years old
    now. That exceeds the life expectancy of the electrolytic capacitors

    It's a good thing that the computer I'm writing this on doesn't know
    about that limit since the BIOS is dated 1993, BG.

    Happy New Year,

    Holger

    ---
    MR/2 2.30 This OS/2 system uptime is 465 days 00:16 hours (en).
    * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Holger Granholm on Thu Jan 2 06:47:00 2014
    life expectancy of the electrolytic capacitors

    It's a good thing that the computer I'm writing this on doesn't know
    about that limit since the BIOS is dated 1993, BG.

    Some people execced their life expectancy. Computers too. But the end is
    only a matter of time.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From Holger Granholm@2:20/228 to John Kelly on Fri Jan 3 09:08:00 2014
    In a message dated 01-02-14, John Kelly said to Holger Granholm:

    It's a good thing that the computer I'm writing this on doesn't know
    about that limit since the BIOS is dated 1993, BG.

    Some people execced their life expectancy. Computers too. But the
    end is only a matter of time.

    OTOH, things were created without regard for a limited life as they are
    today. Today you'll be hard pressed to find an employed designer that
    isn't required to design appliances for a limited life cycle.

    Have a nice day,

    Holger

    ___
    * MR/2 2.30 * Live fast, die young, and leave a handsome corpse.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2
    * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228)