• PCBoard Support

    From Luis Silva@2:362/6 to All on Tue Oct 23 22:20:00 2012
    Hello PCBoard Fans,


    just to remind you all, that we have all CDC files and bulletins in
    our BBS.

    Just check conference 1 PCBSUP , look at the file areas F and also the bulletins B.

    We compile all CDC and PCBoard support files we found and delivery for
    all who need to upgrade or re/install PCBoard BBSs.

    And for all our clients, who still love and use MSmac BBS Software,
    please check also our new releases of our popular software, now
    compatible with PCB 15.4, just check our MSREG door for the upgrades.


    Enjoy,

    MSmac BBS Team
    telnet: msmacbbs.com

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Luis Silva on Thu Jan 24 06:27:00 2013
    we have all CDC files and bulletins in our BBS.

    Thank you.

    The ANSI codes on your main menu may have some bugs. It looks OK in hyperterminal, but not in putty.

    My home brewed telnet client that I wrote, looks the same as putty.
    Since two independent implementation of ANSI color are showing the same
    bugs, I think the bug must be in the ANSI menu, and not both clients.

    I don't know how hyperterminal gets it right. Maybe it has bugs that
    match the bugs in the ANSI codes.

    I'm editing this message with my own telnet client, and the pcboard
    editor looks fine, no bugs. So I think the bugs are just in the main
    menu ANSI codes.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From John Kelly@2:362/6 to Luis Silva on Fri Jan 25 06:03:00 2013
    The ANSI codes on your main menu may have some bugs.

    It looks OK in hyperterminal, but not in putty. I don't know how hyperterminal gets it right. Maybe it has bugs that match the bugs
    in the ANSI codes.

    I dumped your main menu into a capture file and started looking at the
    ANSI codes. At first, they didn't look right. And putty agreed. But I
    kept staring at them, wondering how hyperterminal could get it right.

    After hours of frustration, it finally hit me.

    Hyperterminal takes a simple approach to colors and reverse video; any
    change to color or reverse video updates the same variable.

    OTOH, putty, and my telnet client, use two independent variables for
    color and reverse video. When reverse video is changed, it's layered
    onto a copy of the color variable, not the color itself. That way, the
    color can be changed independently, and reverse video can be re-layered
    onto a refreshed copy of the color variable.

    To me, that seems better. And whoever wrote putty agreed, because putty rendered your ANSI main menu the same way my client did.

    In any case, after understanding the problem, I devised a solution. I
    built a "quirks" mode into my client that unifies the two variables, so
    they behave as one. In that mode, my client renders your main menu the
    same way hyperterminal does.

    In my ANSI client, your main menu looks right now. But some clients,
    like putty, render it badly. Perhaps the ANSI tool used to create it,
    is not compatible with all clients.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From Luis Silva@2:362/6 to John Kelly on Sat Jan 26 23:13:00 2013
    HI John,

    we test our BBS with the best client we get, and is SyncTerm.
    Probably some clients are not fully compatible, but SyncTerm are free,
    so seams the best to deal with ANSI.
    Give it a Try.

    Regards,

    Luis

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Luis Silva on Sun Jan 27 01:17:00 2013
    we test our BBS with the best client we get, and is SyncTerm.
    Probably some clients are not fully compatible, but SyncTerm are
    free, so seams the best to deal with ANSI. Give it a Try.

    I tried it. Don't like it.

    I developed my own telnet client. It doesn't have features of Syncterm,
    but I understand the code, and that makes debugging easier.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 25
    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From RUBEN FIGUEROA@1:124/5013 to Luis Silva on Mon Jan 28 09:20:50 2013
    Agree, Syncterm is best, can get it at www.rdfig.net and installable
    version.

    HI John,

    we test our BBS with the best client we get, and is SyncTerm.
    Probably some clients are not fully compatible, but SyncTerm are free,
    so seams the best to deal with ANSI.
    Give it a Try.

    Regards,

    Luis

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
    * Origin: Prison Board BBS Mesquite Tx //telnet:pb.darktech.or (1:124/5013)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to RUBEN FIGUEROA on Mon Jan 28 22:13:12 2013
    top posting... erg...

    Agree, Syncterm is best, can get it at www.rdfig.net and
    installable version.

    really? tell me how to get syncterm to respect a 50 line terminal setting... ok, what about a 132 column setting? i won't even ask about 132x50 since i know
    it can't do 80x50 :(

    HI John,

    we test our BBS with the best client we get, and is SyncTerm.
    Probably some clients are not fully compatible, but SyncTerm are free,
    so seams the best to deal with ANSI.
    Give it a Try.

    )\/(ark

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Mon Jan 28 22:18:10 2013
    Re: PCBoard Support
    By: mark lewis to RUBEN FIGUEROA on Mon Jan 28 2013 10:13 pm

    really? tell me how to get syncterm to respect a 50 line terminal setting... ok, what about a 132 column setting? i won't even ask about 132x50 since i know it can't do 80x50 :(

    Huh? You might want to take a look again, specifically in the dialing directory: Program Settings / Startup Screen Mode. Or it's able to be set specifically per entry in the dialing directory, as well.

    It looks to me like it supports a lot more than what you list here, as well as Atari, Commodore, and C64.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Jan 29 05:17:36 2013
    really? tell me how to get syncterm to respect a 50 line terminal setting... ok, what about a 132 column setting? i won't even ask about 132x50 since i know it can't do 80x50 :(

    Huh? You might want to take a look again, specifically in the
    dialing directory: Program Settings / Startup Screen Mode. Or it's
    able to be set specifically per entry in the dialing directory, as
    well.

    i've done that and it always jumps back to 80x25... even when it is specifically set to 80x50 or more...

    my normal command prompt opens in 80x50 with a 80x500 buffer for scrollback... syncterm's pif is set to open it in 80x50 with a 80x50 buffer (no scrollback) but it always jumps to 80x25... i gave up messing with it until some future date...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Jan 29 13:56:22 2013
    really? tell me how to get syncterm to respect a 50 line terminal setting... ok, what about a 132 column setting? i won't even ask about 132x50 since i know it can't do 80x50 :(

    Huh? You might want to take a look again, specifically in the
    dialing directory: Program Settings / Startup Screen Mode. Or it's
    able to be set specifically per entry in the dialing directory, as
    well.

    i've done that and it always jumps back to 80x25... even when it is specifically set to 80x50 or more...

    and wouldn't you know it... i decided to beat on it again and be damned if i didn't get it to work as desired! [sigh] it was a convoluted process but i do now have it coming up in true 80x50 mode instead of 80x50 stuffed into an 80x25
    window like it had been doing... it took a combination of settings in syncterm and at least one or two to the pif (again) specific to starting syncterm...

    anyway, it now jumps back and forth between 80x25 and 80x50 for those systems configured as such...

    this is one time i'll say "thanks for pissing me off" :LOL: though it wasn't you personally that go me going but that a piece of software apparently knew better than i did what i wanted :)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Mike Roberts@1:261/1381 to mark lewis on Tue Jan 29 15:33:56 2013
    Re: PCBoard Support
    By: mark lewis to Nicholas Boel on Tue Jan 29 2013 01:56 pm

    this is one time i'll say "thanks for pissing me off" :LOL: though it
    wasn't you personally that go me going but that a piece of software apparently knew better than i did what i wanted :)

    I Hate when that happens! <grin>
    Have a good One!
    Mike
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    * Origin: The Holodeck telnet://holo.homeip.net (1:261/1381)
  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Mark Lewis on Tue Jan 29 14:16:00 2013
    top posting... erg...

    If I was moderator, rules would be:

    a) No top posting
    b) Shun unrepentant top posters
    c) Real names not required

    Criticism is useful, and should be tolerated. But if it becomes mean
    and personal, it's trolling. So keep the discussion real, useful, and
    free.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 25
    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Mark Lewis on Tue Jan 29 14:39:00 2013
    Agree, Syncterm is best

    really? tell me how to get syncterm to respect a 50 line terminal
    setting... ok, what about a 132 column setting?

    I once looked at the Syncterm code. It seemed so big, I thought it
    would be easier to write my own telnet client. Why debug their trash
    code, when I can write my own trash. :-)

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    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to mark lewis on Tue Jan 29 20:40:00 2013
    Re: PCBoard Support
    By: mark lewis to Nicholas Boel on Tue Jan 29 2013 01:56 pm

    and wouldn't you know it... i decided to beat on it again and be damned if i didn't get it to work as desired! [sigh] it was a convoluted process but i do now have it coming up in true 80x50 mode instead of 80x50 stuffed into an 80x25 window like it had been doing... it took a combination of settings in syncterm and at least one or two to the pif (again) specific to starting syncterm...

    Good to hear man. If there were something wrong, I would have let Deuce/Stephen know for you, since you don't seem to frequent any echos he does.

    this is one time i'll say "thanks for pissing me off" :LOL: though it wasn't you personally that go me going but that a piece of software apparently knew better than i did what i wanted :)

    I know what you mean. When someone tells you something works, you have to try it again for yourself. :)

    I must give credit where it's due, though, Both Rob and Stephen are very smart guys, and if bug reports/feature requests are respectable, I'll be damned if they don't fix them right there on the spot that it's received by them.

    Now.. back to PCBOARD discussion, or lack thereof. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to John Kelly on Wed Jan 30 03:04:22 2013
    top posting... erg...

    If I was moderator, rules would be:

    a) No top posting
    b) Shun unrepentant top posters
    c) Real names not required

    Criticism is useful, and should be tolerated. But if it becomes
    mean and personal, it's trolling. So keep the discussion real,
    useful, and free.

    agreed to a point... you did see my signature, right? ;) :)

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to Mike Roberts on Wed Jan 30 03:05:04 2013
    this is one time i'll say "thanks for pissing me off" :LOL: though
    it wasn't you personally that go me going but that a piece of
    software apparently knew better than i did what i wanted :)

    I Hate when that happens! <grin>

    you and me ^3 :P

    Have a good One!

    oh.. i will now that this anniversary is over... my oldest boy died 5 years ago
    at the age of 32 on the 29th and it is always a very hard day to deal with... one of several of the same ilk...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Jan 30 03:07:12 2013
    and wouldn't you know it... i decided to beat on it again and be
    damned if i didn't get it to work as desired! [sigh] it was a
    convoluted process but i do now have it coming up in true 80x50
    mode instead of 80x50 stuffed into an 80x25 window like it had
    been doing... it took a combination of settings in syncterm and at
    least one or two to the pif (again) specific to starting
    syncterm...

    Good to hear man. If there were something wrong, I would have let Deuce/Stephen know for you, since you don't seem to frequent any
    echos he does.

    he/they are not in any of the synchronet echos??? hummm...

    this is one time i'll say "thanks for pissing me off" :LOL: though
    it wasn't you personally that go me going but that a piece of
    software apparently knew better than i did what i wanted :)

    I know what you mean. When someone tells you something works, you
    have to try it again for yourself. :)

    well, yes... but 'd been fighting this thing since max decided to give synchronet a try... my previous telnet terminal software was lost on a farkled OS and i haven't had time to track it down for rejuvenation... such as it is, i've rather been forced to look at some new stuff that i honestly didn't care to try to deal with but i guess that one of the costs of becoming a cantankerous old fart :/

    I must give credit where it's due, though, Both Rob and Stephen are
    very smart guys, and if bug reports/feature requests are
    respectable, I'll be damned if they don't fix them right there on
    the spot that it's received by them.

    i know... that's one of the main reasons why i participate in the synch echos now... much the same reason why i participate in the DB support area, as well...

    Now.. back to PCBOARD discussion, or lack thereof. :)

    yup! there is that to look forward to :P -=B-)

    )\/(ark

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  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Mark Lewis on Wed Jan 30 11:55:00 2013
    If I was moderator, rules would be:

    a) No top posting
    b) Shun unrepentant top posters
    c) Real names not required

    Criticism is useful, and should be tolerated. But if it becomes
    mean and personal, it's trolling. So keep the discussion real,
    useful, and free.

    agreed to a point...

    What point?


    you did see my signature, right? ;) :)

    )\/(ark

    Not sure what you mean ...

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 25
    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Mark Lewis on Wed Jan 30 12:51:00 2013
    my previous telnet terminal software was lost on a farkled OS

    Hope that never happens to ecs, fidonet might finally collapse without
    you.

    It's been about six months since I made a modem connect to you, but I
    wanted to see if my long distance carrier, TCI, still had my account
    active. Seems they do, and I've made three good connects to you, with
    no call trouble.

    I wonder if anything changed on your end to fix the call trouble I was
    having before. Nothing changed here. I assumed VOIP call routing by
    TCI caused the problem, but maybe not. I'll try some more modem calls,
    to see if the three good connects were just a fluke.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 25
    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From Mike Roberts@1:261/1381 to mark lewis on Wed Jan 30 11:50:06 2013
    Re: PCBoard Support
    By: mark lewis to Mike Roberts on Wed Jan 30 2013 03:05 am

    Have a good One!

    oh.. i will now that this anniversary is over... my oldest boy died 5 years ago at the age of 32 on the 29th and it is always a very hard day to deal with... one of several of the same ilk...

    So sorry to hear that Mark... Not much words can say.. I have always hatedJanuary myself. It seems like so many members of my Family have passed in thatMonth. I am not superstitious, but I hate to see January come around and can'twait till it's over. Thoughts are with You..
    Have a good One!
    Mike
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    * Origin: The Holodeck telnet://holo.homeip.net (1:261/1381)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to John Kelly on Wed Jan 30 13:15:36 2013
    Criticism is useful, and should be tolerated. But if it becomes
    mean and personal, it's trolling. So keep the discussion real,
    useful, and free.

    agreed to a point...

    What point?

    i forget now :?

    you did see my signature, right? ;) :)

    )\/(ark

    Not sure what you mean ...

    not that one... i thought i had posted an addition... here it is, though...


    A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
    Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
    A: Top-posting.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and news?


    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to John Kelly on Wed Jan 30 13:19:22 2013
    my previous telnet terminal software was lost on a farkled OS

    Hope that never happens to ecs, fidonet might finally collapse
    without you.

    hahaha! thanks, though :)

    It's been about six months since I made a modem connect to you,
    but I wanted to see if my long distance carrier, TCI, still had my account active. Seems they do, and I've made three good connects
    to you, with no call trouble.

    good... my work is never done...

    I wonder if anything changed on your end to fix the call trouble I
    was having before.

    possibly... i now have two newer runs of barbed wire in place... the last ones were pretty worn out...

    Nothing changed here. I assumed VOIP call routing by TCI caused
    the problem, but maybe not. I'll try some more modem calls, to
    see if the three good connects were just a fluke.

    you just connected on the main machine... i heard a 19200 connect that time and
    a 21600 earlier ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to Mike Roberts on Wed Jan 30 15:43:34 2013
    Have a good One!

    oh.. i will now that this anniversary is over... my oldest boy died
    5 years ago at the age of 32 on the 29th and it is always a very
    hard day to deal with... one of several of the same ilk...

    So sorry to hear that Mark... Not much words can say..

    yup... it was pretty tough and still is... so tough that i really messed up the
    above... he would be 32 this year... he died a month after his 26th birthday...

    I have always hatedJanuary myself. It seems like so many members
    of my Family have passed in thatMonth. I am not superstitious, but
    I hate to see January come around and can'twait till it's over.

    definitely know the feeling...

    Thoughts are with You..

    thank you...

    )\/(ark

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  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Mark Lewis on Wed Jan 30 21:43:00 2013
    you did see my signature, right? ;) :)

    )\/(ark

    Not sure what you mean ...

    not that one... i thought i had posted an addition... here it is,
    though...

    A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
    Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
    A: Top-posting.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and news?

    I'm not sure who used that first, but I've seen it before. It's a good
    one. But top posters probably don't see it. It's at the bottom!

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    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From John Kelly@1:3634/23 to Mark Lewis on Wed Jan 30 22:03:00 2013
    i now have two newer runs of barbed wire in place

    Barbed wire. I never tried that.

    you just connected on the main machine... i heard a 19200 connect
    that time and a 21600 earlier ;)

    My modem reports 24000. You can tell from the tones?

    Every connect I've tried today has been good. Six months ago when the
    problem was happening, the modems struggled to negotiate. But now they
    sync right up, like they should.

    I hope it stays that way ...

    I realize this is the PCBoard echo, but it has so little traffic, I see
    no harm going off topic. There's no moderator anyway.

    Maybe I should take on that job. Not that I feel a need to assert my authority. I mainly want to prevent any power hungry control freak from
    taking over and killing the fun. Some echos have that problem.

    I would have simple, self enforcing rules, as outlined previously.

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 25
    * Origin: Booby Trap (1:3634/23)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.42 to John Kelly on Wed Jan 30 23:24:38 2013
    not that one... i thought i had posted an addition... here it is,
    though...

    A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
    Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
    A: Top-posting.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and news?

    I'm not sure who used that first, but I've seen it before. It's a
    good one.

    yup... i finally grabbed it a few months ago and try to use it when i can...

    But top posters probably don't see it. It's at the bottom!

    hahaha... actually, i do post it under my remarks when i inline them below the top poster's ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Luis Silva@2:362/6 to All on Tue Oct 23 22:20:00 2012
    Hello PCBoard Fans,


    just to remind you all, that we have all CDC files and bulletins in
    our BBS.

    Just check conference 1 PCBSUP , look at the file areas F and also the bulletins B.

    We compile all CDC and PCBoard support files we found and delivery for
    all who need to upgrade or re/install PCBoard BBSs.

    And for all our clients, who still love and use MSmac BBS Software,
    please check also our new releases of our popular software, now
    compatible with PCB 15.4, just check our MSREG door for the upgrades.


    Enjoy,

    MSmac BBS Team
    telnet: msmacbbs.com

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)
  • From Luis Silva@2:362/6 to All on Tue Oct 23 22:20:00 2012
    Hello PCBoard Fans,


    just to remind you all, that we have all CDC files and bulletins in
    our BBS.

    Just check conference 1 PCBSUP , look at the file areas F and also the bulletins B.

    We compile all CDC and PCBoard support files we found and delivery for
    all who need to upgrade or re/install PCBoard BBSs.

    And for all our clients, who still love and use MSmac BBS Software,
    please check also our new releases of our popular software, now
    compatible with PCB 15.4, just check our MSREG door for the upgrades.


    Enjoy,

    MSmac BBS Team
    telnet: msmacbbs.com

    --- PCBoard (R) v15.4/M 250 Beta
    * Origin: Torres Vedras - Portugal (2:362/6)