• Wheelchair parking - the lines are important

    From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to All on Fri May 27 20:49:08 2016
    Today I spent some time with a friend who has a wheelchair access van.
    it was her birthday and she wanted to spend it with me. I was honored
    and she had to drive, her van was the only way she could get around. It
    has a ramp that comes down from the side and special locks that allow
    her to drive and not move from her wheelchair.

    When she parks she has to find a wheelchair accessible parking space
    that allows her to deploy the ramp so she can roll down. Which means
    that she has to find a space with the yellow stripes to the left side of
    her ven. I thought that this shouldn't be a problem. I have a disabled parking pass of my own and I use it without any hesitation as I do have
    a legitimate reason to use it. Until today I never realized how
    important that the lines and space was to somone like my friend.

    We started by going to the apple store at the mall. She deployed her
    ramp and got out of her van just fine. She told me she has two choices
    leave her van open and ramp deployed while she is in the store which
    dishonest people would rummage through her van stealing what they can
    find... or close her van up which means her ramp folds back up into the
    van.

    We were only going to be there for an hour... but it ended up being
    three hours because when we came out three motorcycles were parked in
    the striped area where the ramp would fold down... I looked at her and
    asked her if I could back the van out so she could fold the ramp down.
    That would have worked but her van had no pedals all hand controls and I
    was not comfortable doing this.

    She said her only other options were to...

    1. Wait for the motocycles to come out
    2. Go shop some more and hope they are gone when she returned.
    3. Call mall security / police

    We waited for a bit there at the car, we really wanted to go eat a new
    India Palace restaruant and take advantage of their lunch buffet
    and we had more than an hour to get there.

    We skipped #2 and went to #3... I walked in the mall to have security
    come by, she decided to call the police while I was in there.

    When I came out we waited 30 minutes for the police to show up and only
    after the police showed up did mall security show up. The police asked
    mall security to go look at the footage and see if they can ID the
    owners of the motorcycles.

    30 more minutes passed and we now had 20 mins to go to the buffet she
    wanted to try... motorcycles still there and the police officer decided
    to call impound, as he was kind of miffed because the motorcycles parked
    in the striped line. Listening to the discussion between my friend and
    the officer I learned that this is a very common thing... that
    motorcyclists do not realize that the space is for ramps. I also picked
    up that at Wal-Mart and other stores that have limited space other
    poeple with disabled parking passes will park in the striped areas when
    there is not enough room inconveniencing people with the ramps literally locking them into the parkign space until they are done.

    Radio came back and said it would be 45 minutes before an impound unit
    would arrive and they needed "three" untis because they can tow a
    motorcycle but only 1 per truck.

    My friend remaind calm and accepting as if this was something she dealt
    with all the time. We knew at that point the place she really wanted to
    eat at was not goign to happen. She remained stoic... but i could see
    the disappointment in her eyes.

    We waited almost 45 minutes, the cop was nice he stayed with us he did
    go through the McDonald's drive in and get us a soft drink which was
    very nice, but he waited there letting us know if he caught a run he
    would have to leave. The motorcycles had three bright pink tow stickers
    on them and citations taped to their windows... which was nice to know
    that they were each goign to be fined $115 plus court costs but that
    didn't help our situation.

    After waiting almost two hours finally three young men (who did not look
    like bikers with leather and all) came strolling out of a place called
    the "Brewhouse" we had many nice people stop and talk to us apparantly
    they had some "brew" and had to sit and wait a while to make sure they
    were able to drive away. The cop gave them a VERY stern talkign to
    letting them know that they inconvenienced us.

    They gave us an apology which was pretty half-hearted. And were on
    their way... we called the India Palace and unfortunately they were
    closed until dinner... just when we were about to give up hope a lady
    came out of the mall from an Italain place called Bucca di Beppo and
    invited us in. We were hungry so we went back in and had an amazing
    experience they had a special table in the kitchen and we were treated
    like royalty. I did not care how much it cost I was going to pay (she
    had a buy one buffet get one buffet coupon to the other place and I
    still was going to pay we are both disabled and money is tight.)

    They just kept bringing food for us to try, apparently the table in the
    kitchen is meant to be for special times and we got to taste a bit of everything. When we went to pay the lady who came out said that she
    heard it from a friend who worked at the ear-ring hut that was a friend
    of hers what happened to us. She said the meal was complimentary I've
    never saw my friend cry before but it really touched her.

    I cringed when we went out to her car but her ramp was not blocked so it
    was off to Target. We spent time shopping and having fun at target,
    when we went out to the van another car with a disabled window tag was
    parked in the stripes. My friend sighed and said this one will be
    easier since it's ONE store and not a mall. I went in and told the
    service desk what happened. The manager paged the owner of the vehicle
    and a very "entiled" young lady came out and looked at my friend and
    said, "I don't see what the big deal is we both have tags."

    Looking at the young lady I couldn't see one thing wrong with her and I
    just told her the wheelchair ramp folds down into the lines she was
    parked at. She looked at us like we were nothing so I added, "oh and
    hte police have been called and they will check to see if -YOU- are the
    one that belongs with that tag."

    She looked at us and the Target superviser and said, "I ain't got time
    for this I gots to go." And she left... in a hurry.

    The manager said she had a whole cart of stuff she left behind too...
    hopefully the lesson stuck in, but this opened my eyes. I know with my disability it's easy for me to fall in the trap of not noticing others
    but those lines are important...really important for the disabled who
    are in wheelchairs.

    Sorry for writing so much today, I learned something and had to share
    it.

    Allen










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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to ALLEN PRUNTY on Sat May 28 11:04:00 2016
    Allen,

    Sorry for writing so much today, I learned something and had to share
    it.

    Understand. Even though I'm fully disabled, and use a cane everywhere
    I go (with a walker on standby), I try to save the wheelchair spots for
    those who need it. There are many people in far worse shape than I am.

    I live at an apartment complex that is H.U.D. subsidized housing for
    the disabled...and you have to be disabled to live here.

    One resident just grunts...he can't speak a word. I know of another
    resident who is deaf-mute. The only way he communicates is via sign
    language.

    Daryl

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  • From Bill Gordon@1:3634/22 to Allen Prunty on Sun May 29 08:20:42 2016
    Re: Wheelchair parking - the lines are important

    Sorry for writing so much today, I learned something and had to share
    it.


    My friend, I agree with you completely. I am disabled as well, and get SO MAD when I see someone parked in the "striped spaces".

    I have a Hoveround carrier attached to my pickup truck, and I too need that extra space to load and unload my "chariot", and when they take up that space it causes me very much grief.

    I've always had the belief that those vehicles should be ticketed. Also, they should have their vehicles towed away, their tires flattened, and they be prosecuted and spend 15 days in jail for each offense.

    I know that's what they deserve, but MOST cops give a little lip service and let them go with no consequences, so tomorrow they can do it again.

    Oh, well, there's always the ramp crashing into their doors or fenders.

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Daryl Stout on Sun May 29 15:06:40 2016
    I live at an apartment complex that is H.U.D. subsidized housing for
    the disabled...and you have to be disabled to live here.

    One resident just grunts...he can't speak a word. I know of another resident who is deaf-mute. The only way he communicates is via sign language.

    My disability is hidden it's called Myasthenia Gravis and it's a true
    fatiguing disability. I don't use a walker or a wheelchair but
    definately scope a shopping cart to take in. Occsionally I have to use
    the riding chair. I know my day is coming though and seeing my friend
    go through what she has to go through. It's bad enough that she has her disability but people have little regard for her ramp.

    Going anywhere is still a challenge to her when her van would equalize
    her experience if people would respect it.

    There's a movement out there when people are a--holes like this that
    they put a sign on the window of the car saying "I have no respect for
    the disabled." Or worse, "I have a disabiled sticker/tag and I don't
    play by the rules" in smaller print it trys to educate about ramps and
    etc.

    I can also say with full authority that 75% of the people who park with
    the mirror hang tags have other disabled family members who are not with
    them and they still park in the disabled spaces.

    I am, and always have been, of the mindset if I don't need it this day
    don't use it. Most of the summer so far has been very mild... I haven't
    needed it. Today it's 87 and I'm in severe respiratory distress... I
    will use it today.

    Thanks Daryl for sharing it helps to know how others are going through
    things. I am fortunate to hang on to my home for now. I'm barely
    making it, and won't go into disabled housing in Louisville. I will
    have to move to a very high crime area. I have previously worked, i
    have nice things and to darling kitties.

    My things can be replaced but I fear if my place in that area gets
    broken into they will hurt my kitties or I would lose them forever. My
    kitties are my sanity.

    Allen



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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Bill Gordon on Sun May 29 15:14:00 2016
    My friend, I agree with you completely. I am disabled as well, and get SO
    MAD
    when I see someone parked in the "striped spaces".

    Thank you... I was just so saddened that Melinda, who has the van to
    have independance, had her independance stolen from her that day. I
    will never forget Bucca di Beppo (they made it extra, extra special) My Birthday is coming and Malinda inissists on India food sometime between
    now and then. I have a long time tradition of goign on the river to
    KingFish. I've not missed a birthday since my 18th birthday. They give
    a free fish sandwich and I love the reiver view... tradition is lunch
    there, then spend the day in the Antique stores (one thing I had in
    Common with Janis back in the day is I remember she likes Antiques too)
    then go out to eat again with my family in the evening.


    I have a Hoveround carrier attached to my pickup truck, and I too need that extra space to load and unload my "chariot", and when they take up that
    space
    it causes me very much grief.

    I may need one of those soon.

    I've always had the belief that those vehicles should be ticketed. Also,
    they
    should have their vehicles towed away, their tires flattened, and they be prosecuted and spend 15 days in jail for each offense.

    No... Justice would be that there is some sort of temporary medical
    procedure they go through that would put them in a wheelchair for two
    days. (Two days should be plenty) where they have to use the disabled
    toilets and everything. Only by walkign (rolling) in someone shoes
    (chair) would they understand.

    I know that's what they deserve, but MOST cops give a little lip service and let them go with no consequences, so tomorrow they can do it again.

    I can speak from being an instructor for the Po-po academy. Citations
    are a pain now... and often you end up in court. Most cops don't write
    them if the person is reasonably apologetic. And right now after the
    "Furguson Effect" most cops don't want to engage ANYONE in anything that
    can be conflictual, especially if they are near retirement.


    Oh, well, there's always the ramp crashing into their doors or fenders.

    Much as that would make me feel better to see done, I know better... I
    am better. Reminds me of a 'diaper' story I'll tell later.

    Allen
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