• it's a surprise?

    From Cindy Haglund@1:124/6308.20 to all on Mon Jun 9 18:18:32 2008
    Hi. Is it true that hearing people are surprised or as in extreme
    cases xenophobic when they are told I'm deaf but I can talk quite
    well???? This um surprises them???? Someone told me this and Im kinda
    shook up about it. YOu mean they don't realize oh s
    he must she latent deaf and learned speech first...

    No? I'd have to EXPLAIN IT????

    wow. being disabled is really a lot of work!

    cindy

    ... "First, you take a leek..." - Julia Child

    --- PPoint 3.01
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Cindy Haglund on Tue Jun 10 09:58:48 2008
    Hi. Is it true that hearing people are surprised or as in extreme
    cases xenophobic when they are told I'm deaf but I can talk quite well???? This um surprises them???? Someone told me this and Im kinda
    shook up about it. YOu mean they don't realize oh she must she latent
    deaf and learned speech first...

    No? I'd have to EXPLAIN IT????

    wow. being disabled is really a lot of work!

    If you're just now noticing this, then that should prove to you the ignorance of normal people and that you're a slow learner. I mean that in the nicest possible way. Their lives are so hurried, they don't have the time to learn about everything under the Sun. Those that make it their business, find the time to do it. I used to watch a TV show with Mark Harmon and Marlee Matlin. She played a deaf ADA and Harmon was her investigator police officer who could sign. He can still do it and I've seen him use it in other roles. The name of
    the show was Reasonable Doubts.


    Regards,

    Roger

    ... If someone shoots me, I get to keep the bullet.
    --- D'Bridge 2.99
    * Origin: NCS BBS (1:3828/7)
  • From Cindy Haglund@1:124/6308.20 to Roger Nelson on Tue Jun 10 12:21:12 2008
    0n (10 Jun 08) Roger Nelson wrote to Cindy Haglund...

    Hi. Is it true that hearing people are surprised or as in extreme
    cases xenophobic when they are told I'm deaf but I can talk quite well???? This um surprises them???? Someone told me this and Im kinda
    shook up about it. YOu mean they don't realize oh she must she latent
    deaf and learned speech first...

    No? I'd have to EXPLAIN IT????

    wow. being disabled is really a lot of work!

    If you're just now noticing this, then that should prove to you the ignorance of normal people and that you're a slow learner. I mean


    Normal? What is normal Roger? The biggest disability of all is between
    THEIR ears. It is not that I'm a slow learner Roger, it's just that I
    have always taken for granted just as 'normal' people do: my ability
    to speak. It may well be bone conduction that allows me to hear my own
    voice now. Maybe. I did some research online and can't find specific
    info yet. Sigh.

    OH. I did find one forum wrt this q but the answers were obviously
    about /referring to the born deaf. Not ""acquired"" Gee ya GET deaf?
    .....

    that in the nicest possible way. Their lives are so hurried, they
    don't have the time to learn about everything under the Sun. Those
    that make it their business, find the time to do it. I used to watch

    Roger? I know you mean well. But I don't buy the TOO BUSY excuse at
    all. People do pretty much what they WANT to do. IF this were not true
    people would have no time to watch tv and chat on their cell phones...

    Fact is. People either want to communicate with those who require
    accommodation or they don't. NO matter how busy they are. Those who do,
    MAKE time and take the effort. Those who don't simply don't want to...
    Nothing you can do about them.

    I did find a ALDA site online. I'm thinking about joining it but you
    have to make a donation and we're on a budget at the present
    time... you know the house story.

    ..........

    a TV show with Mark Harmon and Marlee Matlin. She played a deaf ADA
    and Harmon was her investigator police officer who could sign. He can still do it and I've seen him use it in other roles. The name of the
    show was Reasonable Doubts.

    Uh huh. I know in the 90's ASL became a fad<=== note 'fad" , on TV.
    And people were oh wow look this is cool let's try it. But the fad
    like all fads died.

    If you try to get """Nomral""""" people to realize ASL is just (this
    will get me in hot water with some folks)- variation of and
    incorporates body language you might ease their xenophobial.

    Problem is those who DO use ASL get really up on knots if you make
    references to what they consider MERE body language.

    And don't even me started with some of the "born Deaf". They
    can't stand HOH's and LAte deaf (small D!!) people and won't accept
    us into their community... They're just as xenophobic as the hearing
    people who won't accept us either.

    sigh. Sometimes I feel like just giving up. Why bother.

    Bleah.

    Cind

    ... Time flies. Fruit flies like pears.

    --- PPoint 3.01
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Cindy Haglund on Tue Jun 10 17:15:28 2008
    I have no reply to this except to recommend to you that you reread my message carefully. I worded it carefully after giving the matter a lot of thought hoping that it would not be misunderstood.


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge 2.99
    * Origin: NCS BBS (1:3828/7)
  • From Cindy Haglund@1:124/6308.20 to Roger Nelson on Wed Jun 11 17:01:34 2008
    0n (10 Jun 08) Roger Nelson wrote to Cindy Haglund...

    I have no reply to this except to recommend to you that you reread my message carefully. I worded it carefully after giving the matter a
    lot of thought hoping that it would not be misunderstood.


    I don't think I misread you. I think the word suprised was in error.
    My use of it. Actually I wasn't surprised Roger. I was expecting too
    much.

    What I expected was to be treated as a person who happens to be
    deaf, and found instead by most I am treated as a deaf person. The
    xenophobia is what is what makes being disabled harder than what one
    must endure of the disability itself. That , is the hard work.

    I guess I thought too highly of people because I had had thee
    happy fortune of meeting SOME who do accept me as a person. I guess I
    got spoiled. The majority don't. This last bit is the part I'm slow to
    'learn' (accept).

    Cindy




    ... The only good things on tv are a vase and a clock.

    --- PPoint 3.01
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Cindy Haglund on Wed Jun 11 17:04:48 2008
    And you include me in that group?


    Regards,

    Roger

    --- D'Bridge 2.99
    * Origin: NCS BBS (1:3828/7)
  • From Cindy Haglund@1:124/6308.20 to Roger Nelson on Wed Jun 11 20:12:56 2008
    0n (11 Jun 08) Roger Nelson wrote to Cindy Haglund...

    And you include me in that group?


    OF COURSE NOT! Roger, my goodness. WHy would I do that?
    No. I'm talking about people I have actually met and KNOW, including
    some so called family. What ever gave you the idea I included you
    in that group!?

    Now I'm mystified.
    For one thing if you were in 'that group' I'd not be your co-mod and
    we wouldn't email communicate with each other.

    Cindy


    ... It's always darkest before you step on the cat.

    --- PPoint 3.01
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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Cindy Haglund on Thu Jun 12 05:32:30 2008
    0n (11 Jun 08) Roger Nelson wrote to Cindy Haglund...

    And you include me in that group?

    OF COURSE NOT! Roger, my goodness. WHy would I do that?
    No. I'm talking about people I have actually met and KNOW, including
    some so called family. What ever gave you the idea I included you
    in that group!?

    Now I'm mystified.
    For one thing if you were in 'that group' I'd not be your co-mod and
    we wouldn't email communicate with each other.

    I'll send your original message via email and that should explain it.


    Regards,

    Roger

    ... Black holes are big attractions.
    --- D'Bridge 2.99
    * Origin: NCS BBS (1:3828/7)
  • From Cindy Haglund@1:124/6308.20 to Roger Nelson on Thu Jun 12 06:47:12 2008
    0n (10 Jun 08) Roger Nelson wrote to Cindy Haglund...

    I have no reply to this except to recommend to you that you reread my message carefully. I worded it carefully after giving the matter a
    lot of thought hoping that it would not be misunderstood.


    IT is the next day. I'm more wide awake. It hit me. WHICH GROUP are
    you talking about? Why don't you quote a bit.

    If you mean gem vs xenophobe, I would like to think you are a gem
    because you DO cyberspace commication at all.. but I wouldn't know
    which group you are in outside of cyberspace; socially unless we met.

    Cindy

    --- PPoint 3.01
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  • From Cindy Haglund@1:124/6308.20 to Roger Nelson on Thu Jun 12 13:54:36 2008
    I'll send your original message via email and that should explain it.

    Yes I think we cleared that up. :) Cind


    ... Arm the electric bagpipes!

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to Cindy Haglund on Fri Jun 13 06:16:14 2008
    I'll send your original message via email and that should explain
    it.

    Yes I think we cleared that up. :) Cind

    Amen! (-:


    Regards,

    Roger

    ... Experience=a name everyone gives to his mistakes.
    --- D'Bridge 2.99
    * Origin: NCS BBS (1:3828/7)