• [FWD] 01 апреля в истории Фидо

    From Konstantin Denisov@2:5053/51.104 to All on Tue Apr 2 00:28:17 2024
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    апр 01 1985. Редактором Fidonews становится Том Хендерсон (Thom Henderson).
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    1985. Программа Fido запущена на многозадачных версиях ОС семейства PC-DOS. Цена "бюджетного" варианта такой ОС - $160, более дорогая - $495.
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    2004. Hа бекбоне сети 5020 конференции N5020.COORD и N5020.SYSOP переведены в статус поддерживаемых и переданы в ведение N5020C.
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    2018. Опубликован проект стандарта FSP-1041.001 "The BEER nodelist flag" :)

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    Hello,All!

    Что за "многозадачные PC-DOS"?

    Concurrent DOS и PC-MOS - вpоде бы,не пpодyкция IBM,
    а y IBM была TopView?

    Moscow,Russia, 02 Apr 2024 .

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  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5023/24.4222 to Konstantin Denisov on Wed Apr 3 08:37:20 2024
    Hi Konstantin,

    Tue 02 Apr 2024 at 00:28, you wrote to All:

    Что за "многозадачные PC-DOS"?
    Concurrent DOS и PC-MOS - вpоде бы,не пpодyкция IBM,
    а y IBM была TopView?

    Скорее всего, вот эта:

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    Concurrent PC DOS

    Digital Research's Concurrent PC DOS was based on Concurrent DOS 3.2 (with BDOS 3.2) and released in 1984 for IBM PC compatible machines. It features compatibility with applications written for IBM PC DOS 2.0. Version 4.1 also supports most functions of PC DOS 3.0.

    DR EDIX - full screen editor
    DR Talk
    File Manager
    Printer Manager
    Window Manager

    Requirements
    Intel 8086
    256 KB memory (512 KB recommended)
    2 floppy disk drives (harddisk recommended)

    Version
    1984: Concurrent PC DOS 3.2
    1985: Concurrent PC DOS 4.1

    It was replaced in October 1986 by Concurrent DOS XM.

    http://www.edm2.com/index.php/Concurrent_PC_DOS
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  • From Vladimir Fyodorov@2:6035/3.1 to Konstantin Denisov on Wed Apr 3 09:02:23 2024
    Разнообразно приветствую тебя, Konstantin!

    02 Апреля 2024, Konstantin Denisov писАл к All следующее:

    01 апреля в истории Фидо
    1985. Программа Fido запущена на многозадачных версиях ОС семейства PC-DOS. Цена "бюджетного" варианта такой ОС - $160, более дорогая -
    $495.

    Что за "многозадачные PC-DOS"?

    Concurrent DOS и PC-MOS - вpоде бы,не пpодyкция IBM,
    а y IBM была TopView?

    Из англоязычной Википедии (ниже - гуглоперевод на русский): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_DOS

    ===
    Over the history of IBM PC DOS, various versions were developed by IBM and Microsoft. By the time PC DOS 3.0 was completed, IBM had a team of developers covering the full OS. At that point in time, either IBM or Microsoft completely developed versions of IBM PC DOS going forward. By 1985 the joint development agreement (JDA) between IBM and Microsoft for the development of PC DOS had each company giving the other company a completely developed version. Most of the time branded versions were identical, but there were some cases in which each of the companies made minor modifications to their version of DOS. In the fall of 1984, IBM gave all the source code and documentation of the internally developed IBM TopView for DOS to Microsoft so that Microsoft could more fully understand how to develop an object-oriented operating environment, overlapping windows (for its development of Windows 2.0) and multitasking.
    ===
    В истории IBM PC DOS были разработаны различные версии, разработанные IBM и Microsoft. К тому времени, когда PC DOS 3.0 был завершен, у IBM была команда разработчиков, покрывающих полную ОС. В этот момент либо IBM, либо Microsoft полностью разработали версии IBM PC DOS в будущем. К 1985 году в совместном соглашении о разработке (JDA) между IBM и Microsoft для разработки PC DOS каждая компания предоставила другой компании полностью разработанную версию. Большую часть времени фирменные версии были идентичными, но были некоторые случаи, когда каждая из компаний внесла незначительные изменения в свою версию DOS. Осенью 1984 года IBM дал весь исходный код и документацию внутренне разработанной IBM TopView для DOS для Microsoft, чтобы Microsoft могла более полно понять, как разработать объектно-ориентированную рабочую среду, перекрывая Windows (для его разработки Windows 2.0 ) и многозадачность.
    ===

    А вот что про это было написано в Fidonews за 01-Apr-1985. https://vtda.org/pubs/FIDONEWS/FNEWS208.ZIP

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    NEWS
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    From FIDO #66 Orange County, California

    UPGRADE YOUR FidoBBS SYSTEM TO
    MULTI-TASKING FOR LESS THAN $160
    OR TO
    MULTI-TASKING AND MULTI-USER FOR LESS THAN $255.

    By Robert Bosche', Jr.
    Co-SYSOP Fido #66 (714) 642-4408 - 24-Hours

    If you are like most SYSOPS, you probably run your Fido BBS
    during the hours you're not using the computer for local
    tasks. One computer is not just enough to handle FIDO BBS 24
    hours a day and run your other programs at the same time.
    Until recently we found ourselves in the same situation, and
    disappointed many of our faithful callers while we burned
    the midnight oil. We now run Fido #66 on a 24-Hour basis on
    our only computer and plan to add a second Fido to the same
    computer in the near future.

    During working hours we run other programs such as R:Base
    4000, Microrim's XRW, Wordstar, 1-2-3, PC-TALK III, and
    various editors and DOS files in the `foreground' while Fido
    #66 runs in the `background', on the same computer.

    To say there is no noticeable degradation would be
    stretching the truth, but I will say that the degradation is
    acceptable, even with three tasks/programs running at the
    same time.

    Over the past three months, we tested a number of multi-
    tasking/multi-user packages for compatibility with Fido and
    other popular packages, as well as for speed, degradation,
    other quirks, and finally cost. We can recommend two of
    them, one for about $160, and one for about $495. Most users
    can get by well with the $160 package. At these prices, it
    certainly beats buying another computer for the present. I
    will explain the differences later. Let's call them p$160
    and p$495 for short.

    P$160 turns your PC-DOS 2.10 & 3.x (not MS-DOS) compatible
    computer into a true timesharing system running up to 9 PC-
    DOS compatible programs concurrently.

    Up to 9 separate jobs can be run at the same time, but this
    really depends on the CPU and RAM demands of each program
    you run. For our purposes, we find 2 or 3 jobs to be the
    reasonable maximum for our own application mix.

    You don't have to bring FIDO down any more to run other
    programs, or get out of your wordprocesssor to copy a file
    in another directory, just switch back and forth between
    jobs. It's like switching between computers.

    With p$160 the keyboard and screen can be assigned to any
    job, and all other jobs continue to run unattended.

    P$160 requires no additional hardware. An additional $90
    buys the Multi-user version of the package. It uses one
    standard serial port for each additional user (NOT BAD for a
    MULTIUSER SYSTEM). Remote users can be connected either by
    modem or direct via a null modem cable.

    Direct connection yields transmission rates up to 19.2K
    baud. RAM size may need to be increased according to program
    requirements. We recommend 640K, which is the maximum
    directly accessable memory for the IBM-PC/XT & Compatable.

    P$160 is simple to install, and requires only a one-line
    addition to your AUTOEXEC.BAT to allocate memory to each
    job's partition. Once booted, any program compatible with
    IBM PC-DOS may be loaded.

    Simple keystrokes can then cause any job/program to appear
    on the foreground screen, while the other jobs/programs
    continue to run in the background partition.

    Additional p$160 parameters allow you to assign processing
    priorities/time to specific jobs according to your needs.

    We have been and continue to work with the developers of
    this package to enhance its capabilities even further.

    P$495 surpasses p$160 in a few respects which may be
    requisites of your system. P$495 allows use of many IBM
    compatible computers running under PC-DOS in a multitasking
    and multiuser environment.

    P$495 also allows you to implement a number of background
    routines which actually control the way certain `unfriendly'
    software packages manipulate video RAM. The unfriendly
    software then performs normally from the user's vantage
    point, but in such a way that it cannot interfere with or
    overwrite allocated portions of video RAM. The best example
    of an unfriendly program is one that manipulates screen
    memory.

    P$495 supports remote access to DOS, so you can run programs
    from a remote location.

    P$495 also supports a memory expansion card which allows DOS
    to direct-access up to 4 megabytes of memory.

    Think about the capabilities and use of these package(s).
    The 4 megabyte memory expansion card and multi-port (4 to 8)
    serial cards are also available.

    Please give us a call for additional information. We'll be
    more than happy to work with you to resolve any questions
    and supply any of the required software or hardware at very
    reasonable prices.

    For your information, Fido #66 runs on a Compaq portable
    packed with 640K, 2 DSDD floppies, a 33.5 meg hard disk, a
    ProModem 1200, 3 serial ports, a Kimtron (PC lookalike)
    terminal, a Heathkit/Zenith terminal, a Citizen MSP-15
    printer and a few other `put-togethers'.


    Bob Bosche'
    The ASC/US Group
    The ASC/US Computer Price Club
    Fido #66: (714) 642-4408 24-Hours
    Voice lines: (714) 642-7949 10:00AM - 6:00PM PST
    (714) 642-2582 " " "
    ============================================================

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  • From Alexander Gatalsky@2:5023/24.3325 to Konstantin Denisov on Wed Apr 3 17:59:19 2024
    Пpиветик, #Konstantin# !
    В Bтopниk Aпpeля 02 2024 Konstantin Denisov => All : [FWD] 01 апреля в истории Фидо

    Тема: 01 апреля в истории Фидо
    -- 1985. Программа Fido запущена на многозадачных версиях ОС
    семейства PC-DOS. Цена "бюджетного" варианта такой ОС - $160, более дорогая - $495.

    Что за "многозадачные PC-DOS"?

    В вечеpних новостях Hидеpландов 31 маpта затеpтого года была показана pабота некоего пpибоpа, с помощью котоpого почтальоны могли опpеделять, оплачен ли пpосмотp ТВ и пpослyшивание pадио в доме/кваpтиpе (а платили далеко не все !), пpосто поднеся его к двеpи, а также pекомендация по избежанию штpафа - накpыть 'левые' телевизоpы и pадиопpиемники пищевой фольгой ;-) Hа следyющий день, 01 апpеля, на _всей_ теppитоpии Hидеpландов в магазинах скyпили _всю_ фольгy !

    Аналогичных истоpий - пpедостаточно !

    До новых встpеч. Alexander.

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  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5023/24.4222 to Alexander Gatalsky on Fri Apr 5 11:53:10 2024
    Hi Alexander,

    Wed 03 Apr 2024 at 17:59, you wrote to Konstantin Denisov:

    Что за "многозадачные PC-DOS"?

    на_всей_ теppитоpии Hидеpландов в магазинах скyпили _всю_ фольгy ! Аналогичных истоpий - пpедостаточно !

    Они вообще происходят регулярно. апример, замени идерланды на Россию, а фольгу на гречку-сахар.


    ... Кооператив "Агрика", пошив х/б панталон, цена от 3 до 7р.
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  • From Alexander Gatalsky@2:5023/24.3325 to Gleb Hlebov on Mon Apr 8 17:12:28 2024
    Пpиветик, #Gleb# !
    В Пятницy Aпpeля 05 2024 Gleb Hlebov => Alexander Gatalsky : [FWD] 01 апреля в истории Фидо

    Что за "многозадачные PC-DOS"?
    на_всей_ теppитоpии Hидеpландов в магазинах скyпили _всю_ фольгy !
    Аналогичных истоpий - пpедостаточно !
    Они вообще происходят регулярно.
    И, что самое интеpесное, pаспpеделение по датам имеет яpко выpаженный пик ;-)

    До новых встpеч. Alexander.

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