• Still there?

    From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to All on Mon Apr 8 15:55:47 2024
    Hello All,

    Ping!

    Regards,
    Tim
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  • From Dan Clough@1:135/115 to Tim Schattkowsky on Mon Apr 8 11:26:00 2024
    Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All <=-

    Hello All,

    Ping!

    Pong!



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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 9 10:46:21 2024
    //Hello Dan,//

    on *08.04.24* at *16:26:00* You wrote in Area *PASCAL*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Re: Still there?"*.

    Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All <=-

    Hello All,

    Ping!

    Pong!

    Not too much going on here ;)

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Apr 9 11:28:26 2024
    Hi Tim,

    On 2024-04-09 10:46:21, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    Not too much going on here ;)

    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid it? ;-)

    In Fidonet there are a few legacy programs that were written in Pascal. But of those I don't think there are many that are actively maintained.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 9 05:21:47 2024
    Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Tim Schattkowsky <=-

    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid it? ;-)

    Those of who are playing with vintage CP/M and MS-DOS machines. Turbo Pascal was probably the best tool for programming on those systems.

    In Fidonet there are a few legacy programs that were written in Pascal. But of those I don't think there are many that are actively maintained.

    Someone correct me, but doesn't Mystic BBS still allow you to program things in Pascal? Or did they finally move to Python?

    But the ghosts of these old languages still exist in the modern ones. Pascal wouldn't have existed without Algol. Java borrows heavily from Pascal. And how many languages have riffed off Java?


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  • From Mike@1:229/310 to Dr. What on Tue Apr 9 08:11:17 2024
    Someone correct me, but doesn't Mystic BBS still allow you to program things in Pascal? Or did they finally move to Python?

    I think you're right. Somebody else is welcome to comment.

    Unless it's now Free Pascal?

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Dr. What on Tue Apr 9 15:48:03 2024
    Hi Dr.,

    (Your real name is broken!)

    On 2024-04-09 05:21:47, you wrote to me:

    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid
    it? ;-)

    Those of who are playing with vintage CP/M and MS-DOS machines. Turbo Pascal
    was probably the best tool for programming on those systems.

    That's an opinion! ;)

    I liked Turbo C ...

    In Fidonet there are a few legacy programs that were written in
    Pascal. But of those I don't think there are many that are actively
    maintained.

    Someone correct me, but doesn't Mystic BBS still allow you to program things
    in Pascal?

    I highly doubt Mystic has a Pascal compiler build into it. So it probably has support for executables. So it doesn't matter what language they are written in.

    Or did they finally move to Python?

    I have Python seen being mentioned in the Mystic area...

    But the ghosts of these old languages still exist in the modern ones. Pascal
    wouldn't have existed without Algol. Java borrows heavily from Pascal.

    I think Java much more looks like C(++)!

    And how many languages have riffed off Java?

    I think you are confused with C !


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to TIM SCHATTKOWSKY on Tue Apr 9 09:36:00 2024
    Hello All,

    Ping!

    Still here. There have been several discussions in other forums re: pascal programming (either new projects or trying to decompile old ones) so I am surprised that none of the discussion found its way here.

    Mike

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Tue Apr 9 09:56:00 2024
    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid it? ;-)

    Those of who are playing with vintage CP/M and MS-DOS machines. Turbo Pascal was probably the best tool for programming on those systems.

    +1

    Mike

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 9 17:31:30 2024
    Hello, Wilfred van Velzen.
    On 9/4/24 11:28 you wrote:

    In Fidonet there are a few legacy programs that were written in
    Pascal. But of those I don't think there are many that are
    actively maintained.

    D'Bridge, Mystic (I believe), Winpoint (if we consider Delphi as Pascal)...

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 9 20:10:35 2024
    //Hello Wilfred,//

    on *09.04.24* at *9:28:26* You wrote in Area *PASCAL*
    to *Tim Schattkowsky* about *"Re^2: Still there?"*.

    Hi Tim,

    On 2024-04-09 10:46:21, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    Not too much going on here ;)

    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid it? ;-)

    In Fidonet there are a few legacy programs that were written in Pascal. But of those I don't think there are many that are actively maintained.

    WinPoint is written in Delphi, which should count. But yes, its pretty legacy.

    Still, I think delphi is still good today for multi-platform development. However, I would not do it because frankly said the customers advisors my tell them that anybody using Delphi today is incompetent.


    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Tim Schattkowsky@2:240/1120.29 to Mike on Tue Apr 9 20:11:20 2024
    //Hello Mike,//

    on *09.04.24* at *12:11:17* You wrote in Area *PASCAL*
    to *Dr. What* about *"Re^2: Still there?"*.

    Unless it's now Free Pascal?

    Is that production ready?

    Regards,
    Tim

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Apr 9 20:43:38 2024
    Hi Tim,

    On 2024-04-09 20:10:35, you wrote to me:

    WinPoint is written in Delphi, which should count. But yes, its pretty legacy.

    Still, I think delphi is still good today for multi-platform development. However, I would not do it because frankly said the customers advisors my tell
    them that anybody using Delphi today is incompetent.

    Delphi / C++ Builder is still in active development by Embarcadero, and has a modern ide. We use C++ Builder at work.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Wilfred Van Velzen on Tue Apr 9 15:44:17 2024
    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid it? ;-)

    I am. That's how I STILL program Renegade BBS in.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tue Apr 9 22:27:45 2024
    Hi T.J.,

    On 2024-04-09 15:44:17, you wrote to me:

    Who, in their right mind, is still using Pascal, if they can avoid
    it? ;-)

    I am. That's how I STILL program Renegade BBS in.

    So you can't avoid it? -> You're "in your right mind"! ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Dr. What on Tue Apr 9 15:20:50 2024
    Re: Re: Re^2: Still there?
    By: Dr. What to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 09 2024 05:21 am

    Someone correct me, but doesn't Mystic BBS still allow you to program things in Pascal? Or did they finally move to Python?

    And Mystic itself is written in Pascal. <shrug>
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 9 15:25:42 2024
    Re: Re^3: Still there?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Apr 09 2024 08:43 pm

    Delphi / C++ Builder is still in active development by Embarcadero, and has a modern ide. We use C++ Builder at work.

    Technically it's Idera (that purchased Embarcadero back 2015) that "develops" C++ Builder. I still use C++ Builder 6 to build Synchronet for Win32 GUI apps and have tried (unsuccessfully) to migrate those projects (one big one) to modern versions of C++ Builder. I'll be looking at some other cross-platform tools for future Synchronet GUI app work.
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tue Apr 9 17:51:30 2024
    On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 20:48:02 +0200, you wrote:

    Someone correct me, but doesn't Mystic BBS still allow you to program things
    in Pascal?

    I highly doubt Mystic has a Pascal compiler build into it. So it probably has
    support for executables. So it doesn't matter what language they are written in.

    For the record, Mystic uses MPL (Mystic Programming Language) which is heavily based on, if not identical to Free Pascal, iirc. There is indeed a compiler included with the BBS software, called 'mplc' (Mystic Programming Language Compiler, I would assume).

    So yes, you can write and compile your own stuff. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Tim Schattkowsky on Tue Apr 9 16:37:46 2024
    Unless it's now Free Pascal?

    Is that production ready?

    It is. Mystic is built with Free Pascal.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Rob Swindell on Wed Apr 10 09:40:36 2024
    Hi Rob,

    On 2024-04-09 15:25:42, you wrote to me:

    Delphi / C++ Builder is still in active development by Embarcadero, and
    has a modern ide. We use C++ Builder at work.

    Technically it's Idera (that purchased Embarcadero back 2015) that "develops"
    C++ Builder. I still use C++ Builder 6 to build Synchronet for Win32 GUI apps

    I also still use it for a project, I didn't get around to converting...

    and have tried (unsuccessfully) to migrate those projects (one big
    one) to modern versions of C++ Builder. I'll be looking at some other cross-platform tools for future Synchronet GUI app work. -- digital
    man (rob)

    Code::blocks is free to use. I use it for FMail development. It uses mingw on Windows, but you can configure other compilers.
    CLion is a much better/advanced ide, it's payware, but you can get a free license if you are a developer for an active opensource project, which shouldn't be a problem for you! ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Apr 10 09:56:39 2024
    Hi Nicholas,

    On 2024-04-09 17:51:30, you wrote to me:

    Someone correct me, but doesn't Mystic BBS still allow you to
    program things in Pascal?

    I highly doubt Mystic has a Pascal compiler build into it. So it
    probably has support for executables. So it doesn't matter what language
    they are written in.

    For the record, Mystic uses MPL (Mystic Programming Language) which is heavily
    based on, if not identical to Free Pascal, iirc. There is indeed a compiler
    included with the BBS software, called 'mplc' (Mystic Programming Language Compiler, I would assume).

    So yes, you can write and compile your own stuff. ;)

    Thanks for the info! I learned something today. ;-)


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Mike@1:229/310 to Tim Schattkowsky on Wed Apr 10 06:46:15 2024
    Unless it's now Free Pascal?

    Is that production ready?

    I don't know.

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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Apr 10 05:38:44 2024
    Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Hi Dr.,
    (Your real name is broken!)

    No. My real name is fine. The sysop of this BBS has his echos configured incorrectly.

    That's an opinion! ;)

    I liked Turbo C ...

    Yup. That's an opinion. But good luck finding a good C compiler for CP/M 2.2.

    Back in those days development was
    1. Edit the code in your favorite editor (probably Wordstar).
    2. Exit the editor and run pass 1 of your compiler.
    3. If that worked, run pass 2 of the compiler.
    4. If that worked, run the linker.
    5. And if that worked, run your executable to see what you need to fix.
    6. Goto 1.

    Needless to say, Turbo Pascal was wonderful in those days. Turbo C didn't come out until MUCH later.

    I highly doubt Mystic has a Pascal compiler build into it. So it
    probably has support for executables. So it doesn't matter what
    language they are written in.

    No, that's not correct. I don't know if it has a compiler "built in", but I know that you wrote your code and use some sort of "compiler" to build it. It's been a while.

    I have Python seen being mentioned in the Mystic area...

    As have I. So that's why I'm wondering.

    And how many languages have riffed off Java?

    I think you are confused with C !

    No. C was old by then. C++ was the rage. Hence the move to Java.

    Newer languages borrow good thing from the current languages and try to leave the bad things behind.


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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Mike on Wed Apr 10 07:58:25 2024
    On 10 Apr 2024, Mike said the following...

    Unless it's now Free Pascal?

    Is that production ready?

    I don't know.

    Free Pascal does a lot of great things with libraries that are built in.

    At a former job I used it to find and grab new orders from an SSL website, parse the JSON order data, send the order over to an accounting system and print custom reports without anything but some libraries from the base
    install. Basically replaced an employee's worth of work during the slow part
    of the year and 4 or 5 during the busy part..

    Would most companies want a Pascal solution? Probably not.. I don't work
    there anymore so they had to find someone to either work on it or replace it. Their accounting system is pretty stable, but keeping an open source web
    store with thousands of visitors a day up-to-date means the API might just
    be incompatible at any moment.

    Still, it's neat to know little old Pascal is reliable enough to save/make
    you a ton of money :)

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Dr. What on Wed Apr 10 15:30:14 2024
    Hi Dr.,

    On 2024-04-10 05:38:44, you wrote to me:

    (Your real name is broken!)

    No. My real name is fine. The sysop of this BBS has his echos configured incorrectly.

    You can't blame it all on the sysop. You could sign your messages with your realname.

    That's an opinion! ;)

    I liked Turbo C ...

    Yup. That's an opinion. But good luck finding a good C compiler for CP/M 2.2.

    I don't know anything about CP/M. ;)

    Needless to say, Turbo Pascal was wonderful in those days. Turbo C
    didn't come out until MUCH later.

    Then you must be really old! ;-)

    I started (professionally) with Turbo C on the PC under DOS, I think on a 386...

    I highly doubt Mystic has a Pascal compiler build into it. So it
    probably has support for executables. So it doesn't matter what
    language they are written in.

    No, that's not correct. I don't know if it has a compiler "built in", but I
    know that you wrote your code and use some sort of "compiler" to build it. It's been a while.

    Nicholas Boel explained it...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Apr 10 14:48:47 2024
    Re: Re^3: Still there?
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Rob Swindell on Wed Apr 10 2024 09:40 am

    Code::blocks is free to use. I use it for FMail development. It uses mingw on Windows, but you can configure other compilers.
    CLion is a much better/advanced ide, it's payware, but you can get a free license if you are a developer for an active opensource project, which shouldn't be a problem for you! ;-)

    Thanks, good to know. I'd definitely prefer a "free to all" tool (e.g. Code::Blocks), but will take a look.
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  • From Karel Kral@2:423/39 to Tim Schattkowsky on Fri Apr 12 10:12:10 2024
    Hello Tim!

    08 Apr 24 15:55, you wrote to All:

    Also there. The reason is that during 1989, my first job, company asked me to learn programming. There were 2 books on shelf: Pascal and C++

    and I took that right one... ;-)

    Karel

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