• 2 points from same bossnode

    From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to All on Sat Jun 10 12:05:52 2023
    The FAQ says:

    HotdogEd supports as many AKAs (servers) as you wish with the only remark: you can't have multiple points on one ftn node. This is a limitation of ftn provider.

    However I've found that you can have 2 points of the same bossnode. The trick is using point .0 for the uplink of the second one.

    - First point, uplink 2:345/678
    - Second point, uplink 2:345/678.0

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    Carlos
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Carlos Navarro on Sun Jun 11 08:43:50 2023
    On 10.06.2023 13:05, Carlos Navarro wrote:

    The FAQ says:

    HotdogEd supports as many AKAs (servers) as you wish with the only
    remark: you can't have multiple points on one ftn node. This is a
    limitation of ftn provider.

    However I've found that you can have 2 points of the same bossnode. The trick is using point .0 for the uplink of the second one.

    - First point, uplink 2:345/678
    - Second point, uplink 2:345/678.0
    And if you for some strange reason need more than two, you can have "a point of a point". (The boss node in hotdoged can be a point address, even if it says boss 3D ftn address in setup). Just set up as many point aka's to the main boss as you want. :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Jun 25 09:55:54 2023
    11 Jun 2023 08:43, you wrote to me:

    However I've found that you can have 2 points of the same
    bossnode. The trick is using point .0 for the uplink of the
    second one.

    - First point, uplink 2:345/678
    - Second point, uplink 2:345/678.0
    And if you for some strange reason need more than two, you can have
    "a point of a point". (The boss node in hotdoged can be a point
    address, even if it says boss 3D ftn address in setup). Just set up as many point aka's to the main boss as you want. :)

    I see. Nice to know :-)

    A reason for having several points in a HotdogEd instance would be being able to use different encodings for receiving echos. For example, CP866 for RU areas on point A, and CP437, UTF-8 or other on point B for the rest of areas.

    HotdogEd allows you to set a specific charset (codepage) for each area (group), but it only works for exporting echomail. For incoming messages, it uses the global Codepage in the point's Server settings.

    Carlos

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Carlos Navarro on Thu Oct 12 14:37:04 2023
    Hello, Carlos Navarro.
    On 10.06.23 12:05 PM you wrote:

    The FAQ says: However I've found that you can have 2 points of the same bossnode. The trick is
    using point .0 for the uplink of the second one. - First point, uplink 2:345/678 - Second
    point, uplink 2:345/678.0

    But it only works from different devices :)
    Personally from one device I have this setting takes out node completely and no mail goes :)

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  • From Carlos@2:341/234.123 to Oleg Nazaroff on Thu Oct 12 21:57:29 2023
    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff.
    On 12/10/23 14:37 you wrote:

    The FAQ says: However I've found that you can have 2 points of
    the same bossnode. The trick is using point .0 for the uplink of
    the second one. - First point, uplink 2:345/678 - Second point,
    uplink 2:345/678.0
    But it only works from different devices :)

    It works for me. This is the second point in my phone, with uplink 2:341/234.0

    I've tested a bit more and found that this only works if both points have the same password - when polling the bossnode, it seems it uses the one defined in the main point.

    Another issue is, if you use Manage subscription on the second point, the netmails to areafix that it generates are stored in the first point's Outgoing folder, and they are sent via that one. (But it works.)


    Personally from one device I have this setting takes out node completely and no mail goes :)

    Oh, I hope it didn't break too much and you could restore it... I haven't tried using node addresses.

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Carlos on Fri Oct 13 14:45:35 2023
    Hello, Carlos .
    On 12.10.23 9:57 PM you wrote:

    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 12/10/23 14:37 you wrote: It works for me. This is the second point in
    my phone, with uplink 2:341/234.0

    Not two points simultaneously on same device, isn't it?

    I've tested a bit more and found that this only works if both points have the same password -
    when polling the bossnode, it seems it uses the one defined in the main point.

    But if you receive mail from one point, what happens for another?

    Another issue is, if you use Manage subscription on the second point, the netmails to areafix
    that it generates are stored in the first point's Outgoing folder, and they are sent via that
    one. (But it works.)

    Don't understand again ;) this two points is on the one device? ;)

    Oh, I hope it didn't break too much and you could restore it... I haven't tried using node
    addresses.

    I've just removed second "experimental" point ;)


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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.123 to Oleg Nazaroff on Fri Oct 13 20:27:11 2023
    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff.
    On 13/10/23 14:45 you wrote:

    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 12/10/23 14:37 you wrote: It works for
    me. This is the second point in my phone, with uplink 2:341/234.0
    Not two points simultaneously on same device, isn't it?

    Yes, same device. See here:

    http://www.cyberiada.org/fido/tmpfiles/hotdoged2points.jpg

    I've tested a bit more and found that this only works if both
    points have the same password - when polling the bossnode, it
    seems it uses the one defined in the main point.
    But if you receive mail from one point, what happens for another?

    I can send/receive in both.

    If I make a poll when I'm at HotdogEd's initial screen (see my capture above), it will make 2 polls to the boss sequentially, one for each point.

    Another issue is, if you use Manage subscription on the second
    point, the netmails to areafix that it generates are stored in
    the first point's Outgoing folder, and they are sent via that
    one. (But it works.)
    Don't understand again ;) this two points is on the one device? ;)

    Yes... on my phone :-)

    I have described an issue I found when subscribing echos from the second point.

    If I haven't explained this properly I can try to rephrase it.


    Oh, I hope it didn't break too much and you could restore it... I
    haven't tried using node addresses.
    I've just removed second "experimental" point ;)

    Glad to know ;-)


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Carlos Navarro on Fri Oct 13 22:14:11 2023
    Hello, Carlos Navarro.
    On 13.10.23 8:27 PM you wrote:

    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 13/10/23 14:45 you wrote: Yes, same device. See here:

    May be this possible only to points ;) I'm node..


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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/10 to Oleg Nazaroff on Sat Oct 14 09:57:07 2023
    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff.
    On 13/10/2023 22.14 you wrote:

    Hello, Carlos Navarro.
    On 13.10.23 8:27 PM you wrote:
    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 13/10/23 14:45 you wrote: Yes, same device. See here:
    May be this possible only to points ;) I'm node..

    I think it doesn't matter. I have now this HotDogEd node connected to uplink 2:221/6.6. ;)

    Tommi
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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Oct 14 09:56:52 2023
    Hello, Tommi Koivula.
    On 14/10/23 9:57 you wrote:

    Yes, same device. See here:
    May be this possible only to points ;) I'm node..
    I think it doesn't matter. I have now this HotDogEd node connected
    to uplink 2:221/6.6. ;)

    Oh, a bosspoint! :-)

    But we were talking about having two downlinks of the same bossnode in one device, not with different uplinks...

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.123 to Oleg Nazaroff on Sat Oct 14 09:55:12 2023
    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff.
    On 13/10/23 22:14 you wrote:

    Yes, same device. See here:
    May be this possible only to points ;) I'm node..

    Could be. I've not tested that...

    Is it common to use HotdogEd with node addresses in R50? More than points?

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Carlos Navarro on Sat Oct 14 11:08:12 2023
    Hi Carlos.

    14 Oct 23 09:56, you wrote to me:

    May be this possible only to points ;) I'm node..
    I think it doesn't matter. I have now this HotDogEd node connected
    to uplink 2:221/6.6. ;)

    Oh, a bosspoint! :-)

    ;-)

    But we were talking about having two downlinks of the same bossnode in
    one device, not with different uplinks...

    The same bossnode may have multiple AKA's, like this:

    2:221/6 -> point 2:221/6.123
    2:221/6.1 -> point 2:221/360.8110
    2:221/6.6 -> point 2:221/10.0

    All these 'points' can be in the same hotdoged.

    'Tommi

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Oct 14 11:07:34 2023
    14 Oct 2023 11:08, you wrote to me:

    But we were talking about having two downlinks of the same
    bossnode in one device, not with different uplinks...

    The same bossnode may have multiple AKA's, like this:

    2:221/6 -> point 2:221/6.123
    2:221/6.1 -> point 2:221/360.8110
    2:221/6.6 -> point 2:221/10.0

    All these 'points' can be in the same hotdoged.

    Yes, of course. As they are different uplinks, HotdogEd "officially" supports that.

    The good thing about the "trick" of using .0 for the uplink of the second point is that a user can have two points of the same bossnode without requiring the sysop to add point AKAs to his/her system. (Of course if the user is the sysop, no problem ;-)

    I currently have:

    2:341/234 -> point 2:341/234.12
    2:341/234.0 -> point 2:341/234.123

    (As I commented before, both points must use the same password.)

    Carlos

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Carlos Navarro on Sat Oct 14 14:14:13 2023
    Hello, Carlos Navarro.
    On 14.10.23 9:55 AM you wrote:

    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 13/10/23 22:14 you wrote: Could be. I've not tested that... Is it
    common to use HotdogEd with node addresses in R50? More than points?

    I've used my node on HotDog only, without points, just PVT. Haven't PC or notebook and haven't seen use for it in a long time ;)

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Oct 14 14:16:56 2023
    Hello, Tommi Koivula.
    On 14.10.23 9:57 AM you wrote:

    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 13/10/2023 22.14 you wrote: I think it doesn't matter. I have now
    this HotDogEd node connected to uplink 2:221/6.6. ;)

    We'v told about multi connections. I've use HotDog node connected, but this is not multiconnect ;)

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Tommi Koivula on Sat Oct 14 15:34:57 2023
    Hello, Tommi Koivula.
    On 14.10.23 11:08 AM you wrote:

    Hi Carlos. 14 Oct 23 09:56, you wrote to me: ;-) The same bossnode may have multiple AKA's,
    like this: 2:221/6 -> point 2:221/6.123 2:221/6.1 -> point 2:221/360.8110 2:221/6.6 ->
    point 2:221/10.0 All these 'points' can be in the same hotdoged.

    No one has canceled gray FTN networks either, I once had a poynt to subpoynts too ;)

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Oleg Nazaroff on Sat Oct 14 18:51:52 2023
    Hi Oleg.

    14 Oct 23 14:16, you wrote to me:

    Hello, Oleg Nazaroff. On 13/10/2023 22.14 you wrote: I think it doesn't matter. I have now
    this HotDogEd node connected to uplink 2:221/6.6. ;)

    We'v told about multi connections. I've use HotDog node connected, but this is not multiconnect ;)

    Yeah, Hotdoged is just a software with one uplink only. Node or point address, no difference. ;)

    'Tommi

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Oct 15 17:19:44 2023
    Hello, Tommi Koivula.
    On 14.10.23 6:51 PM you wrote:

    Hi Oleg. 14 Oct 23 14:16, you wrote to me: Yeah, Hotdoged is just a software with one uplink
    only. Node or point address, no difference. ;)

    On the contrary, it's Aftershock that is famous for such "quality", but HotDog works fine even with twenty uplinks for one same node.

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Oleg Nazaroff on Sun Oct 15 20:30:10 2023
    Hi Oleg.

    15 Oct 23 17:19:44, you wrote to me:

    Hi Oleg. 14 Oct 23 14:16, you wrote to me: Yeah, Hotdoged is
    just a software with one uplink only. Node or point address, no
    difference. ;)

    On the contrary, it's Aftershock that is famous for such "quality",
    but HotDog works fine even with twenty uplinks for one same node.

    But HotDog cannot act as a hub, that's what I tried to say. It cannot forward echomail from a node to another node.

    'Tommi

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Oleg Nazaroff on Sun Oct 15 21:13:57 2023
    15 Oct 2023 17:19, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    Yeah, Hotdoged is just a software with one uplink only. Node or point
    address, no difference. ;)

    On the contrary, it's Aftershock that is famous for such "quality",

    What is AfterShock famous for? I don't understand what you mean.

    but HotDog works fine even with twenty uplinks for one same node.

    Interesting... Yes, I see you can add several entries with same point/node address, as long as they have different uplinks...

    Carlos

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Oct 16 00:39:49 2023
    Hello, Tommi Koivula.
    On 15.10.23 8:30 PM you wrote:

    Hi Oleg. 15 Oct 23 17:19:44, you wrote to me: But HotDog cannot act as a hub, that's what I
    tried to say. It cannot forward echomail from a node to another node.

    Not evening yet ;) not yet it can't. But an his part. It always has.


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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Carlos Navarro on Mon Oct 16 00:50:27 2023
    Hello, Carlos Navarro.
    On 15.10.23 9:13 PM you wrote:

    15 Oct 2023 17:19, you wrote to Tommi Koivula: What is AfterShock famous for? I don't
    understand what you mean.

    Aftershock can use only one point or node connect.

    Interesting... Yes, I see you can add several entries with same point/node address, as long as
    they have different uplinks...

    Today i'v use four uplinks. The only inconvenience is that I can't see the addresses of the uplinks, I have to memorize their order. But i'll fix that. When more important bugs will be fixed.
    Now i have an empirical problem with provider killing on MIUI and not restart, somehow related to recursive error and free memory zeroing.

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