Hi All,

2024-03-30 - 2.3.1.0

This release is mainly about the fconfig for linux module.
So FMail is now fully linux compatible.
There are a few minor changes in the Windows version too.
And the Say hi function is now IPv6 enabled.
See the ChangeLog file for the full details.

(Except for the version number and some updated doc files it has the same source files as the last beta version: 2.3.0.2)


The release zip files in different flavours can be downloaded from the sourceforge file download page:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/files/FMail/2.3/


Bye, Wilfred.

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30 Mar 2024 19:46, you wrote to All:

2024-03-30 - 2.3.1.0

Just upgraded this point (w64) and the node (w32).

Carlos

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30 Mar 2024 19:46, you wrote to All:

2024-03-30 - 2.3.1.0

I cannot enter the backslash (\) for directories, etc. in Fconfig.

I tried with Alt-Gr and Ctrl-Alt key combinations, also with Alt-92 and pasting from the clipboard. None of them work. It happens both on win32 and 64 versions.

Carlos

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-16 20:46:42, you wrote to me:

@TID: FMail-W64 2.3.2.1-B20240412

2024-03-30 - 2.3.1.0

I cannot enter the backslash (\) for directories, etc. in Fconfig.

I tried with Alt-Gr and Ctrl-Alt key combinations, also with Alt-92 and pasting from the clipboard. None of them work. It happens both on win32 and 64
versions.

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP (32bit) virtual machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem? And the FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

Bye, Wilfred.

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16 Apr 2024 21:28, you wrote to me:

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP (32bit) virtual machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Tested on Win10 64bit (both Fconfig 32 and 64) and XP 32bit.

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem?

Yes.

And the FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

No problem in both Windows versions.

Carlos

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-16 22:16:56, you wrote to me:

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP
(32bit) virtual machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Tested on Win10 64bit (both Fconfig 32 and 64) and XP 32bit.

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem?

Yes.

And the FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

No problem in both Windows versions.

Strange...

I'll do some tests on a Win10 64bit machine tomorrow.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 16 Apr 24 22:51, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Carlos Navarro:
about: "Re: FMail 2.3.1.0 release":

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP
(32bit) virtual machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Tested on Win10 64bit (both Fconfig 32 and 64) and XP 32bit.

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem?

Yes.

And the FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

No problem in both Windows versions.

Strange...

I'll do some tests on a Win10 64bit machine tomorrow.

I have no problem entering \ (nor / which is auto converted to \ on enter) for directories, on this Windows 10 x64 machine in either cmd (my default) or powershell.

So I'm wondering what is different for you. Are you entering them in the directories window (which I tested)? Or somewhere else?

Is there something special about your windows? Spanish version? I'm using the English version here.

What's on the properties/options tab of your terminal? Here's what is on mine:

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/5bcf06d7b43c

I suspect those are the windows defaults on my machine, but I don't know for sure...


Wilfred.

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Re: Re: FMail 2.3.1.0 release
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Carlos Navarro on Tue Apr 16 2024 09:28 pm

Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-16 20:46:42, you wrote to me:

@TID: FMail-W64 2.3.2.1-B20240412

2024-03-30 - 2.3.1.0

I cannot enter the backslash (\) for directories, etc. in Fconfig.

I tried with Alt-Gr and Ctrl-Alt key combinations, also with Alt-92 and pasting from the clipboard. None of them work. It happens both on win32

and 64

versions.

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP (32bit) virtu machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem? And the FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

Bye, Wilfred.

Some oddball cheap machines have an edited codepage setting. Possibly Chinese?
It causes that. If another character appears, try entering that and it might work. Example, @ shows when I enter the " key but it works in reverse.

xxcarol
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17 Apr 2024 08:35, you wrote to me:

I have no problem entering \ (nor / which is auto converted to \ on
enter) for directories, on this Windows 10 x64 machine in either cmd
(my default) or powershell.

So I'm wondering what is different for you. Are you entering them in
the directories window (which I tested)? Or somewhere else?

I'm trying in both the Directories and Logging sections.

Thanks for the "/" hint, at least I can use that for now.

Is there something special about your windows? Spanish version? I'm
using the English version here.

Yes, Spanish versions.

What's on the properties/options tab of your terminal? Here's what is
on mine:

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/5bcf06d7b43c

I suspect those are the windows defaults on my machine, but I don't
know for sure...

All the same here except the codepage. I have 850, not 437.

Carlos

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Hi Carol,

On 2024-04-17 15:05:06, you wrote to me:

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP (32bit)
virtu machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem? And the
FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

Some oddball cheap machines have an edited codepage setting. Possibly Chinese? It causes that. If another character appears, try entering that and
it might work. Example, @ shows when I enter the " key but it works in reverse.

You can set the codepage with the chcp command in your shell. 'chcp 437' set's it to CP437 for instance.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-17 21:46:20, you wrote to me:

I have no problem entering \ (nor / which is auto converted to \ on
enter) for directories, on this Windows 10 x64 machine in either cmd
(my default) or powershell.

So I'm wondering what is different for you. Are you entering them in
the directories window (which I tested)? Or somewhere else?

I'm trying in both the Directories and Logging sections.

Thanks for the "/" hint, at least I can use that for now.

Is there something special about your windows? Spanish version? I'm
using the English version here.

Yes, Spanish versions.

What's on the properties/options tab of your terminal? Here's what is
on mine:

https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/5bcf06d7b43c

I suspect those are the windows defaults on my machine, but I don't
know for sure...

All the same here except the codepage. I have 850, not 437.

That shouldn't make a difference, because the \ is in the same place for both. But you could try setting it to 437 with the 'chcp 437' command in your terminal before you start fconfig.
Btw: Can you type the \ in your terminal on the command line?
Btw2: Can you type the \ in other more free text fields, like the Comment field of an area?

If I set mine to 850, I can still enter the \ in fconfig.

There's also the windows keyboard/language settings you could play with.


Bye, Wilfred.

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17 Apr 2024 22:19, you wrote to me:

That shouldn't make a difference, because the \ is in the same place
for both. But you could try setting it to 437 with the 'chcp 437'
command in your terminal before you start fconfig.

True, it shouldn't. But just in case I had already tried 'chcp 437' with no success.

Btw: Can you type the \ in your terminal on the command line?

Of course! :-)

Btw2: Can you type the \ in other more free text fields, like the
Comment field of an area?

I checked on "SysOp Name". I cannot type "\" there.

If I set mine to 850, I can still enter the \ in fconfig.

There's also the windows keyboard/language settings you could play
with.

I'll try later...

But as I said, in versions 2.2 and older it works fine. Maybe something related to the changes for supporting Linux?

Is anyone else having this issue? Michiel?

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday April 18 2024 07:34, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Is anyone else having this issue? Michiel?

I am not having THAT problem. I can enter a backslash without problems. But there is something odd with the keyboard going on. I can not enter non-ASCII values. I have the keyboard set for Dutch and so I can enter umlauts and accents with the dead key method. E.g. an o with umlaut by first pressing the colon key and then the o. Or the single qoute and e for an e with accent. This does not work. I also have a setting to type cyrillics That doen not work either. Plus that Alt + num keys do not work. *1)

There definitely is someting odd going on with the keyboard.


*1) I had a scary moment. I am typing on a laptop withhout nummeric keyboard. In trying out some odd keyboard combinations to use the Alt+num codes I suddenly had the screen upside down. I had to use Rosa's computer to search the web to find a way to get it back to normal....


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Carlos,

On 18 Apr 24 07:34, Carlos Navarro wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "FMail 2.3.1.0 release":

Btw2: Can you type the \ in other more free text fields, like the
Comment field of an area?

I checked on "SysOp Name". I cannot type "\" there.

It's a "free" text field. So the problem doesn't seem to be related to the character limiting code for the directory name fields.

There's also the windows keyboard/language settings you could play
with.

I'll try later...

But as I said, in versions 2.2 and older it works fine. Maybe something related to the changes for supporting Linux?

I suspect this "pre-linux-fconfig-changes" commit:

commit d629d3818f981c74bf715a8dc0e4059cdcae7973
Date: Fri Feb 24 22:18:12 2023 +0100

2.2.1.0-Beta
Switched from conio getch() to windows console api functions for key input handling in FConfigW.


Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfigW32-2.2.1.0-Beta.zip

To make sure?

Is anyone else having this issue? Michiel?

I haven't heard about it. So I suspect it's somehow related to your Spanish windows version.


Wilfred.

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18 Apr 2024 10:17, you wrote to me:

Is anyone else having this issue? Michiel?

I am not having THAT problem. I can enter a backslash without
problems. But there is something odd with the keyboard going on. I can
not enter non-ASCII values. I have the keyboard set for Dutch and so I
can enter umlauts and accents with the dead key method. E.g. an o with umlaut by first pressing the colon key and then the o. Or the single
qoute and e for an e with accent. This does not work. I also have a setting to type cyrillics That doen not work either. Plus that Alt +
num keys do not work. *1)

I also have issues with non-ASCII chars. But I don't use them in FConfig...

Alt+number doesn't work, indeed.

*1) I had a scary moment. I am typing on a laptop withhout nummeric keyboard. In trying out some odd keyboard combinations to use the
Alt+num codes I suddenly had the screen upside down. I had to use
Rosa's computer to search the web to find a way to get it back to normal....

:-) Ctrl+Alt+arrows...

Carlos

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18 Apr 2024 08:36, you wrote to me:

But as I said, in versions 2.2 and older it works fine. Maybe
something related to the changes for supporting Linux?

I suspect this "pre-linux-fconfig-changes" commit:

commit d629d3818f981c74bf715a8dc0e4059cdcae7973
Date: Fri Feb 24 22:18:12 2023 +0100

2.2.1.0-Beta
Switched from conio getch() to windows console api functions for
key input handling in FConfigW.

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfigW32-2.2.1.0-Beta.zip

To make sure?

Confirmed. With that one I cannot enter the backslash.

Is anyone else having this issue? Michiel?

I haven't heard about it. So I suspect it's somehow related to your Spanish windows version.

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab" (at the left of the "1"). Maybe there are issues with German keyboards too...

Carlos

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17 Apr 2024 22:19, you wrote to me:

There's also the windows keyboard/language settings you could play
with.

If I change to English (UK) keyboard layout I can enter the backslash (by pressing the key at the left of the Z).

Carlos

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 16:56:19, you wrote to me:

2.2.1.0-Beta
Switched from conio getch() to windows console api functions for
key input handling in FConfigW.

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfigW32-2.2.1.0-Beta.zip

To make sure?

Confirmed. With that one I cannot enter the backslash.

Ok, that narrows it down. It has nothing to do with the code changes for the linux version.

I made this change to try to make fconfig work in wine.

Is anyone else having this issue? Michiel?

I haven't heard about it. So I suspect it's somehow related to your
Spanish windows version.

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or Ctrl+Alt) plus
the key above "Tab" (at the left of the "1"). Maybe there are issues with German keyboards too...

That it's an alt key on your keyboard probably explains it. On my keyboard it's a regular key between the backspace and the enter key. The shift version is |.

I'm gona have a look at the "new" code, and see what I can do. Or maybe I can revert back to the old windows keyboard code...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 17:26:18, you wrote to me:

There's also the windows keyboard/language settings you could play
with.

If I change to English (UK) keyboard layout I can enter the backslash (by pressing the key at the left of the Z).

On my keyboard(s) only the left-shift key is next to the Z, but I know that layout. We sometimes have that here on keyboards. I hate that because I get a \ when I try to use the shift key when blind typing... ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday April 18 2024 16:53, you wrote to me:

I also have issues with non-ASCII chars. But I don't use them in FConfig...

Alt+number doesn't work, indeed.

Both issues are indication that the standard keyboard routines are not used.

*1) I had a scary moment. I am typing on a laptop withhout
nummeric keyboard. In trying out some odd keyboard combinations
to use the Alt+num codes I suddenly had the screen upside down. I
had to use Rosa's computer to search the web to find a way to get
it back to normal....

:-) Ctrl+Alt+arrows...

Yeah, I know that now. I never even knew it was possible to turn the screen upside down. Or mirror it...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday April 18 2024 16:56, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

I haven't heard about it. So I suspect it's somehow related to
your Spanish windows version.

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or
Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab" (at the left of the "1"). Maybe
there are issues with German keyboards too...

Aha. So I gather you have a dedicated key for the n with tilde? Here I use AktGr + n for thet, but that does noet work in Golded either. But using ~ as a dead key before n works in golded. ¤ But not in fconfig...

So it is these "special codes" that do not work....


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

On 2024-04-18 18:07:43, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

I also have issues with non-ASCII chars. But I don't use them in
FConfig...

Alt+number doesn't work, indeed.

MvdV> Both issues are indication that the standard keyboard routines are not used.

"_The_ standard keyboard routines" ? ;-)

I'm using the windows function ReadConsoleInput(). It's pretty standard:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/readconsoleinput

But low level... So I might be doing things wrong.
Golded uses it also...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 17:52:31, I wrote to you:

I'm gona have a look at the "new" code, and see what I can do. Or
maybe I can revert back to the old windows keyboard code...

Can you test the two executables in this zip file:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/getchtests.zip

The first uses the old code, the other uses the new code. And show me the result when you press the \ key, and maybe some other special keys?


Bye, Wilfred.

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18 Apr 2024 18:10, you wrote to me:

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or
Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab" (at the left of the "1").
Maybe there are issues with German keyboards too...

Aha. So I gather you have a dedicated key for the n with tilde?

Yes, we use it a lot in Spanish. :-) We also have another dedicated one for the c-cedilla (for Catalan/Valencian).

Here I use AktGr + n for thet, but that does noet work in Golded
either.

AltGr doesn't work by default in GoldED. I had to add this to my golded.cfg:

GERMANKEYBOARD yes

Carlos

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18 Apr 2024 18:52, you wrote to me:

Can you test the two executables in this zip file:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/getchtests.zip

The first uses the old code, the other uses the new code. And show me
the result when you press the \ key, and maybe some other special
keys?

The first one works ok with \ and non-ASCII characters:

92 - 0000005C - '\'
164 - 000000A4 - '¤'
160 - 000000A0 - ' '
130 - 00000082 - '‚'
161 - 000000A1 - '¡'
162 - 000000A2 - '¢'
163 - 000000A3 - '£'
168 - 000000A8 - '¨'
173 - 000000AD - '­'

Above, same characters with the second one. Note that it shows two lines for accented letters, first one is for the dead key (ï)

\:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0009 #1

¤:
a:-92 h:FFFFFFA4 c: code:C0 cstate:0000 #1

 :
a:000 h:00 c: code:DE cstate:0000 #1
a:-96 h:FFFFFFA0 c: code:41 cstate:0000 #1

‚:
a:000 h:00 c: code:DE cstate:0000 #1
a:-126 h:FFFFFF82 c: code:45 cstate:0000 #1

¡:
a:000 h:00 c: code:DE cstate:0000 #1
a:-95 h:FFFFFFA1 c: code:49 cstate:0000 #1

¢:
a:000 h:00 c: code:DE cstate:0000 #1
a:-94 h:FFFFFFA2 c: code:4F cstate:0000 #1

£:
a:000 h:00 c: code:DE cstate:0000 #1
a:-93 h:FFFFFFA3 c: code:55 cstate:0000 #1

¨:
a:-88 h:FFFFFFA8 c: code:DD cstate:0010 #1

­:
a:-83 h:FFFFFFAD c: code:DD cstate:0000 #1

BTW on this second one the \ was recognized properly...

Carlos

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18 Apr 2024 20:41, I wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

The first uses the old code, the other uses the new code. And
show me the result when you press the \ key, and maybe some other
special keys?

Some other ASCII chars that I cannot enter in the SysOp name field in latest fconfig versions: | @ # (in Spanish keyboard, AltGr + 1, 2 and 3 respectively)

124 - 0000007C - '|'
64 - 00000040 - '@'
35 - 00000023 - '#'

a:124 h:7C c:| code:31 cstate:0009 #1
a:064 h:40 c:@ code:32 cstate:0009 #1
a:035 h:23 c:# code:33 cstate:0009 #1

Carlos

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Re: Re: FMail 2.3.1.0 release
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Apr 17 2024 10:17 pm

Hi Carol,

On 2024-04-17 15:05:06, you wrote to me:

I can't reproduce it. I can enter \ just fine on my Windows XP (32bit)
virtu machine. Which version of windows are you using?

Does the beta version you are now using have the same problem? And the
FConfigWnn.exe versions of the 2.2 release?

Some oddball cheap machines have an edited codepage setting. Possibly Chinese? It causes that. If another character appears, try entering th

and

it might work. Example, @ shows when I enter the " key but it works in reverse.

You can set the codepage with the chcp command in your shell. 'chcp 437' set it to CP437 for instance.

Bye, Wilfred.

Not using unix here.

xxcarol
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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 20:41:59, you wrote to me:

Can you test the two executables in this zip file:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/getchtests.zip

The first uses the old code, the other uses the new code. And show me
the result when you press the \ key, and maybe some other special
keys?

The first one works ok with \ and non-ASCII characters:

92 - 0000005C - '\'

That is the same for me.

\:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0009 #1

This is also the same for me, except the cstate, which is 0 for me. 9 = ctrl + alt. And that is where my code gets confused. It doesn't see it as \ but as ctrl-alt-\.

I'll have to look into this, how I'm gonna fix it...


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 16:56:19, you wrote to me:

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or
Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab"

Is it any combination of left and right Ctrl & Alt keys that works? Because that code 9 I get is code for right-alt (1) + left-ctrl (8).


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 21:17:33, you wrote to you:

Some other ASCII chars that I cannot enter in the SysOp name field in latest
fconfig versions: | @ # (in Spanish keyboard, AltGr + 1, 2 and 3 respectively)

124 - 0000007C - '|'
64 - 00000040 - '@'
35 - 00000023 - '#'

a:124 h:7C c:| code:31 cstate:0009 #1
a:064 h:40 c:@ code:32 cstate:0009 #1
a:035 h:23 c:# code:33 cstate:0009 #1

^
It's the same issue.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carol,

On 2024-04-18 15:10:45, you wrote to me:

You can set the codepage with the chcp command in your shell. 'chcp
437' set it to CP437 for instance.

Not using unix here.

'chcp' is a dos/windows command! With 'shell' I meant either cmd or power-shell! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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18 Apr 2024 21:32, you wrote to me:

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or
Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab"

Is it any combination of left and right Ctrl & Alt keys that works?

Yes.

Because that code 9 I get is code for right-alt (1) + left-ctrl (8).

With AltGr:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0009 #1

With Left-Ctrl + Alt:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:000A #1

With Right-Ctrl + Alt:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0006 #1

I have no Right-Alt. AltGr is there instead.

Carlos

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 21:53:08, you wrote to me:

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or
Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab"

Is it any combination of left and right Ctrl & Alt keys that works?

Yes.

Ok, clear.

Because that code 9 I get is code for right-alt (1) + left-ctrl (8).

With AltGr:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0009 #1

With Left-Ctrl + Alt:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:000A #1

8 + 2 = A

With Right-Ctrl + Alt:
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0006 #1

4 + 2 = 6

Exactly as expected.

I have no Right-Alt. AltGr is there instead.

I'm not used to having a AltGr key! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 22:07:22, I wrote to you:

In a Spanish keyboard you enter the "\" by pressing AltGr (or
Ctrl+Alt) plus the key above "Tab"

Is it any combination of left and right Ctrl & Alt keys that works?

Yes.

Ok, clear.

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip


Bye, Wilfred.

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18 Apr 2024 22:36, you wrote to me:

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday April 18 2024 20:11, you wrote to me:

Here I use AktGr + n for thet, but that does noet work in Golded
either.

AltGr doesn't work by default in GoldED. I had to add this to my golded.cfg:

GERMANKEYBOARD yes

I should have know that 15 years ago!

¤ AltGr n
¢ AltGr o
” AltGr p
› AltGr l
á Altgr s
¸ AltGr c
© AltGr r
­ AltGr 1
ý AltFr 2
ü AltGr 3
Ï AltGr 4
¬ AltGr 6
« AltGr 7
ó AltGr 8
¨ AltGr ?
‘ AltGr z
æ AltGr m
® AltGr [
¯ AltGr ]


Etc, etc.....

Tnx!


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Carlos,

On 2024-04-18 22:48:25, you wrote to me:

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Great! Thanks for your patience and helping to fix this!

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Carol,

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 20:10:44 -0400, you wrote:

Not using unix here.

Well that's great, because 'chcp' is a WINDOWS command!

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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On 18/04/2024 23.48, Carlos Navarro wrote:

18 Apr 2024 22:36, you wrote to me:

 WV> Can you test this one:

 WV> http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Confirmed to work here also.

I tested the previous one, and I could enter / but not \.

Win7/64 and win10/64.

'Tommi

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Hi Tommi,

On 2024-04-19 07:38:40, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Confirmed to work here also.

I tested the previous one, and I could enter / but not \.

Is the \ on a Finish keyboard also a combination with the AltGr key?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred,

On Thursday April 18 2024 19:03, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> Both issues are indication that the standard keyboard routines
MvdV>> are not used.

"_The_ standard keyboard routines" ? ;-)

I see your point...

I'm using the windows function ReadConsoleInput(). It's pretty
standard:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/readconsoleinput

I have not done any programming worth mentioning the last five years, so maybe I had better shut up now...

But low level... So I might be doing things wrong.
Golded uses it also...

My idea is that one can expect that what works on the command line should also work for entering text in CLI applications. And... The AltGr method now also works in Golded when activated...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

On Thursday April 18 2024 22:07, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

I have no Right-Alt. AltGr is there instead.

I'm not used to having a AltGr key! ;-)

AltGr is just a relabeling of the old right Alt key. In the old days they used to have the same functionality just like the left and right shift key. With the need for easy entering of more special characters like umlauts and accents, the right Alt key got some different processing in the keyboard drivers.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

On Thursday April 18 2024 22:36, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip

I tried it but I see no difference with 0412. I still can not enter any non ASCII characters in the sysop name field. Not with AltGr, not withe dead keys and not with Alt num.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

Friday April 19 2024 13:34, I wrote to you:

I tried it but I see no difference with 0412. I still can not enter
any non ASCII characters in the sysop name field. Not with AltGr, not withe dead keys and not with Alt num.

To which I should add that the Alt num method does not work in Golded either on this laptop that has no numeric keypad. On the command line it works by setting numlock and than pressin Fn plus Alt an using the

789
uio
jkl
m

keys. Very akward anyway...

If I connect an external keyboard the Alt num method works in golded, but not in fconfig.


Cheers, Michiel

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On 19.04.2024 12:28, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Confirmed to work here also.

I tested the previous one, and I could enter / but not \.

Is the \ on a Finish keyboard also a combination with the AltGr key?

Yes.

'Tommi

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Hi Tommi,

On 2024-04-19 15:19:58, you wrote to me:

I tested the previous one, and I could enter / but not \.

Is the \ on a Finish keyboard also a combination with the AltGr key?

Yes.

That would explain it! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Michiel,

On 2024-04-19 13:33:20, you wrote to me:

But low level... So I might be doing things wrong.
Golded uses it also...

MvdV> My idea is that one can expect that what works on the command line should also
MvdV> work for entering text in CLI applications.

Your expectations are wrong! ;-)

MvdV> And... The AltGr method now also works in Golded when activated...

The golded windows keyboard code is pretty complex:

https://github.com/golded-plus/golded-plus/blob/master/goldlib/gcui/gkbdbase.cpp

The gut of it is from line 1695 to 1845...

And there seems to be special code to handle the alt-numpad keys at line 1760 and further...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Michiel,

On 2024-04-19 13:13:40, you wrote to me:

I have no Right-Alt. AltGr is there instead.

I'm not used to having a AltGr key! ;-)

MvdV> AltGr is just a relabeling of the old right Alt key.

The code I get from Carlos's test, is if he pressed left-ctrl + right-alt at the same time when he uses AltGr. So it's not just the same as the let-alt key.

MvdV> In the old days they used to have the same functionality just like
MvdV> the left and right shift key. With the need for easy entering of
MvdV> more special characters like umlauts and accents, the right Alt key
MvdV> got some different processing in the keyboard drivers.

Seems so...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Michiel,

On 2024-04-19 13:34:15, you wrote to me:

Can you test this one:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/FConfig-W32-2.3.2.2-Beta20240418.zip

MvdV> I tried it but I see no difference with 0412. I still can not enter any non
MvdV> ASCII characters in the sysop name field. Not with AltGr, not withe dead keys
MvdV> and not with Alt num.

Can you try these as Carlos did:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/getchtests.zip

With the special keys, maybe it helps me to find out what can be done...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred Van,

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:39:16 +0200, you wrote:

The gut of it is from line 1695 to 1845...

And there seems to be special code to handle the alt-numpad keys at line 1760 and further...

One other question would be, when was that code added? Michiel is using a Golded version from 2013. Maybe it's time to upgrade?

Regards,
Nick

... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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Hello Carlos,

On Thursday April 18 2024 22:48, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Can you also enter the n with tilde (¤) in the sysop name field using that dedicated key on your keyboard?


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

On Friday April 19 2024 14:39, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> My idea is that one can expect that what works on the command
MvdV>> line should also work for entering text in CLI applications.

Your expectations are wrong! ;-)

Really? Is it really unrealistic to expect that what works when entereing text on the command line also works when entering text in a command line application? That the expectation is not always fulfilled does not imply it is unrealistic I'd say...

MvdV>> And... The AltGr method now also works in Golded when
MvdV>> activated...

The golded windows keyboard code is pretty complex:

https://github.com/golded-plus/golded-plus/blob/master/goldlib/gcui/gk bdbase.cpp

The gut of it is from line 1695 to 1845...

Hmmm...

And there seems to be special code to handle the alt-numpad keys at
line 1760 and further...

I woulkd have expected the \os to take part of that so that a simple OS call would do it.

But then Golded was originally written for DOS where one had to write all that low level code. Plus that Windows internally uses unicode and the DOS code is all written around the one byte one character coding...

So maybe "DOS think" is still in the way....


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

On Friday April 19 2024 14:47, you wrote to me:

Can you try these as Carlos did:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/getchtests.zip

With the special keys, maybe it helps me to find out what can be
done...

I'll have a look at it later...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Carlos,

Saturday April 20 2024 07:36, I wrote to you:

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Can you also enter the n with tilde (¤) in the sysop name field using
that dedicated key on your keyboard?

Coming tp think of it... I have a setting forn na german keyboard on the laptop. On a German keyboard the key right of the 'l' is the o with umlaut. I With that setting I can enter an o with umlaut in the sysop name field by pressing that key.


Cheers, Michiel

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20 Apr 2024 07:36, you wrote to me:

It works! I can type \ | @ # with either AltGr or Ctrl & Alt.

Can you also enter the n with tilde (¤) in the sysop name field using
that dedicated key on your keyboard?

On XP I can, but not on Win7 and Win10: I get a Ï symbol (=Alt-207)

But I don't mind. I don't really need non-ASCII chars in Fconfig.

Carlos

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Hi Michiel,

On 2024-04-20 08:03:01, you wrote to me:

MvdV>>> My idea is that one can expect that what works on the command
MvdV>>> line should also work for entering text in CLI applications.

Your expectations are wrong! ;-)

MvdV> Really? Is it really unrealistic to expect that what works when entereing text
MvdV> on the command line also works when entering text in a command line
MvdV> application? That the expectation is not always fulfilled does not imply it is
MvdV> unrealistic I'd say...

That's what I meant. ;)

And there seems to be special code to handle the alt-numpad keys at
line 1760 and further...

MvdV> I woulkd have expected the \os to take part of that so that a simple OS call
MvdV> would do it.

Unfortunately not...

MvdV> But then Golded was originally written for DOS where one had to
MvdV> write all that low level code. Plus that Windows internally uses
MvdV> unicode and the DOS code is all written around the one byte one
MvdV> character coding...

MvdV> So maybe "DOS think" is still in the way....

This code is specific for Windows. The MSDOS code is from line 1563 to 1625, and uses cpu.genint(0x16);


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Nicholas,

On 2024-04-19 18:03:22, you wrote to me:

The gut of it is from line 1695 to 1845...

And there seems to be special code to handle the alt-numpad keys at line
1760 and further...

One other question would be, when was that code added? Michiel is using a Golded version from 2013. Maybe it's time to upgrade?

You can look at the git history yourself for that file. The 2011 code for windows is more or less the same in this regard.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Carlos,

On Saturday April 20 2024 09:59, you wrote to me:

On XP I can, but not on Win7 and Win10: I get a Ï symbol (=Alt-207)

Odd because the German equivalent works here on Win7.

But I don't mind. I don't really need non-ASCII chars in Fconfig.

Our collegues in the east may see it different.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Carlos,

Saturday April 20 2024 12:55, I wrote to you:

But I don't mind. I don't really need non-ASCII chars in Fconfig.

Our collegues in the east may see it different.

Coming to think of that. I have a Russian keyboard here and I tried that. With the keyboard set to Russian and the code page to 866 , I can enter non-ASCII characters in the sysop name and origin line fields but the characters do not match those on the keyboard. It is garbage.

I wonder what out Russian friends would say about that...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 20/4/24 12:55 you wrote:

But I don't mind. I don't really need non-ASCII chars in Fconfig.

Our collegues in the east may see it different.

I don't think it's an issue WRT the sysop name field, as they mostly use romanized versions of their names.

But it would be a problem when entering area descriptions, also for many western languages...

--
Carlos
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Hello Carlos,

On Saturday April 20 2024 14:51, you wrote to me:

Our collegues in the east may see it different.

I don't think it's an issue WRT the sysop name field, as they mostly
use romanized versions of their names.

For most of the history of Fidonet there never was a choice. Fidonet started as ASCII only and remanained that way for a long time. I wonder if they still would if there really was a choice...

But it would be a problem when entering area descriptions, also for
many western languages...

Yes, more than just ASCII in the area decscriptions would be nice.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Wilfred,

Saturday April 20 2024 08:11, I wrote to you:

http://www.vlzn.nl/fmail/files/getchtests.zip

With the special keys, maybe it helps me to find out what can be
done...

I'll have a look at it later...

getchtest

97 - 00000061 - 'a' a
98 - 00000062 - 'b' b
99 - 00000063 - 'c' c
130 - 00000082 - '‚' dead key ' plus e
155 - 0000009B - '›' AltGr l
92 - 0000005C - '\' backslash

getchtest_win2

C:\point\fmail\divtest>getchtest_win2
a:097 h:61 c:a code:41 cstate:0020 #1 a
a:098 h:62 c:b code:42 cstate:0020 #1 b
a:099 h:63 c:c code:43 cstate:0020 #1 c
a:000 h:00 c: code:DE cstate:0020 #1 dead key '
a:-126 h:FFFFFF82 c: code:45 cstate:0020 #1 plus e
a:-101 h:FFFFFF9B c: code:4C cstate:0029 #1 ALtGr l
a:092 h:5C c:\ code:DC cstate:0020 #1 backslash


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

On 2024-04-21 16:46:05, you wrote to me:

MvdV> 130 - 00000082 - '‚' dead key ' plus e
MvdV> 155 - 0000009B - '›' AltGr l

MvdV> a:-126 h:FFFFFF82 c: code:45 cstate:0020 #1 plus e
MvdV> a:-101 h:FFFFFF9B c: code:4C cstate:0029 #1 ALtGr l

Those are the right codes, so that isn't the problem... I'll have to look further...


Bye, Wilfred.

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