Hello Dmitry,

While I condider a nodelist for points of limited value, I thinkd that when it is done it shpuld be more flexible than te present implementation.

1) I'd like to get the nodelist in the tradional fidonet way. I.e. From the next higher link in the fidonet nodelist distribution. For a point, the BOSS node. Nothing wrong with cdn.fidonet.cc but having it linked to one specific person is a weakness. Besides, cdn.fidonet.cc is a bit behind the daily lists hastched shortly after midnight.

2) I like to get it via binkd along with the regular polls to the boss node. Optionally accompanied by a TIC file.

3) I like to get the z2daily and the dailyutf. Plus the z2pnt. To be processed right after reception. With skipping duplicates, like it is done in Golded.

How about it?

BTW, I experimented by setting the dailyutf on hold along with the other mail for my point 6. According to the binkd log of the boss node, it was send to the fidomail app on my iPhone at the next poll. Or "mail exchange" as it is called there. But where did it go? I can't find it anywhere on my iPhone.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

In a message of 13 Oct 26 22:43, Michiel wrote to Dmitry:

MvdV> While I condider a nodelist for points of limited value, I thinkd

It was a user’s request, more than a month old. Not even just my own idea ;)

MvdV> that when it is done it shpuld be more flexible than te present
MvdV> implementation.

Sure! But I have to start with something, reusing existing infrastructure.

MvdV> 1) I'd like to get the nodelist in the tradional fidonet way.

A very sane idea, and you are not alone!

MvdV> cdn.fidonet.cc but having it linked to one specific person is a
MvdV> weakness. Besides, cdn.fidonet.cc is a bit behind the daily lists

I’ll even publish a simple API for that soon, so anyone could configure their web server to allow downloading from their site, and there is a way to set up a server already.

The FREQ support is already in, but not tested much (I am still busy reconfiguring my own node to provide anonymous freqs of fresh nodelists, so I can’t even test it right now myself).

MvdV> 2) I like to get it via binkd along with the regular polls to the
MvdV> boss node. Optionally accompanied by a TIC file.

Yes, but I need to implement fileecho support. And it means to support FileFix/AllFix robots (and their dialects). I’m already on that way, but not there yet.

MvdV> 3) I like to get the z2daily and the dailyutf. Plus the z2pnt. To
MvdV> be processed right after reception. With skipping duplicates,
MvdV> like it is done in Golded.

I don’t see why anyone would say “no” here.

MvdV> How about it?

Easy-peasy! But not so fast ;)

MvdV> BTW, I experimented by setting the dailyutf on hold along with
MvdV> the other mail for my point 6. According to the binkd log of the
MvdV> boss node, it was send to the fidomail app on my iPhone at the
MvdV> next poll. Or "mail exchange" as it is called there. But where

I’ve already renamed some "alien" words for FTN transport for the next release ;)

MvdV> did it go? I can't find it anywhere on my iPhone.

Check inbound for your uplink (Menu - Inbound files). You’ll see all the files you’ve received during the last week (deleted automatically).



See you,
dp.
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Hello Dmitry,

On 13 Oct 26 23:11, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> 1) I'd like to get the nodelist in the tradional fidonet way.

A very sane idea, and you are not alone!

So go ahead. I have already prepaired my side of the Boss node and the files arrive in the inbound files of my iPhone. I see that the .TIC files are already recognised as "file-echo besturingsbestand". :)

MvdV>> 2) I like to get it via binkd along with the regular polls to
MvdV>> the boss node. Optionally accompanied by a TIC file.

Yes, but I need to implement fileecho support. And it means to support FileFix/AllFix robots (and their dialects). I’m already on that way,
but not there yet.

Full file-echo support is not required for just supporting nodelists. All that is needed is that incoming lists are recognised and processed. How the Boss node is configured to send them can be arranged between the sysop and the point. Contrary to echomail, it is not something that requires changes very often. The sysop of the Boss node can do it manually or the Point op can write the required message to the Boss' file manager himself.

MvdV>> 3) I like to get the z2daily and the dailyutf. Plus the z2pnt.
MvdV>> To be processed right after reception. With skipping
MvdV>> duplicates, like it is done in Golded.

I don’t see why anyone would say “no” here.

MvdV>> How about it?

Easy-peasy! But not so fast ;)

OK, take your time. I am ready to test it. ;-)

BTW, nodelists and TIC files need not be kept for a week. One day will be enough in the case of the dailys.

MvdV>> BTW, I experimented by setting the dailyutf on hold along with
MvdV>> the other mail for my point 6. According to the binkd log of
MvdV>> the boss node, it was send to the fidomail app on my iPhone at
MvdV>> the next poll. Or "mail exchange" as it is called there. But
MvdV>> where

I’ve already renamed some "alien" words for FTN transport for the next release ;)

I noticed. ;-)


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Dmitry,

2.3 works fine. Apple was very quick this time.

Regarding the nodelist:

1) It works fine as it is.

A) What surprised me that with the file echo, there is also an echomal messsaage created that shows a message every time a nodelist is received. I do not find this very usefull, it just cloggs up the list of groups. I suppose I could make it hidden, but if you optinally disable these messages, I am not complainnig. ;-)

B) Fidomail can only process one nodelist. I configured the boss node to send both the dailyutf and the z2daily but I have to make a choice in Fidomail. I can not select them both. Presently I have selected dailyutf. Works as expected. What I would like to see is that I can select both, so that I can see both your ASCII and cyrillic name, systen name and location. Like it is in Golded. With no duplicates for nodes that are the same in both lists. Do you think that is possible?

2) While a full file echo system is a bit of an overkill for a point, it doesn't hurt either. But I would like to have support for points with a boss node that does not run a full file echo system. The TIC file system gives added security but a point system has very few links and it does not accept incoming calls. You know what you poll, so you know what is coming in from whom. I do not run a full file echo system on my main syetem any more. Allfix started to do funny after a hardware change and as I do not fullfill any official function in Fidonet any more, instead of spending time and energy on it, I decided to just drop allfix. For my other points, I just use a simple batch script to send them just the nodelists without a TIC file. At their end a simple batch script just moves the files to the proper directory for processing. That works fine.

It so happened that I have a simple TIC file generator of my own making that I wrote when I became R28 point list keeper. I presently use it for sending the nodelists to my fidomailmobile point. It works. But I think it would be usefull if Fidomail could be made to process nodelists not accompanied by a TIC file. So how about adding a fourth option besides "URL, Local File and File-Echo" for processing nodelists. Something like "inbound file" with the option to specify the file name(s) without the nummeric extension?

Keep up the good work!


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel!

In a message of 25 Oct 26 11:16, Michiel wrote to Dmitry:

MvdV> Regarding the nodelist:

Thank you for such detailed reply!

I’ll need several days to think about nodelists/pointlists/unicode processing...


See you,
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Hello, Dmitry!

Dmitry Protasoff wrote:

Thank you for such detailed reply!

You'r welcome.

I’ll need several days to think about nodelists/pointlists/unicode processing...

No problem. Take all the time you need, there is no Harry.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers, Michiel

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