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    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Gleb Hlebov on Fri Jun 21 16:37:56 2024

    Hi, Gleb Hlebov!
    I read your message from 20.06.2024 08:59


    "He told me an anecdote, and I didn't laugh."
    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story. The
    word you want is `joke'.
    Jokes IMHO are very short. Long jokes are bad joke;
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----
    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    Can you tell if it's a joke or anecdote? ;-)
    (Excuse my possibly lame "adaptation")

    ??<< E. Kopelyan's voiceover:

    "Stierlitz gave it a thought.
    It was good.
    So he gave it a second thought". >>

    An English joke - "Englishmen are the most coward people. If they ask something they always say 'I am afraid'". ;-)

    Bye, Gleb!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Fri Jun 21 16:39:08 2024

    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 19.06.2024 12:28


    Thanks for the collection of jokes. Did you put them into
    English yourself?

    Do you think those stories were composed in Russia? ;-)


    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Alexander Koryagin on Tue Jul 2 22:46:21 2024
    Hi, Alexander! Recently you wrote in a message to Anton Shepelev:

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    This is an example of what I would call a "riddle", i.e. a puzzling or misleading question which when used as a joke often involves a play on words.

    Another example:
    Q. What do you call an angry carrot?
    A. A steamed vegetable.


    A Collection of Intermediate Anecdotes in American English

    Hmm. While my American dictionaries seem to agree that an anecdote is a story which other people may find entertaining &/or amusing, many of them also take into account that (as Anton said, and as a Canadian I agree) that as far as we're concerned such stories are typically autobiographical or at least reported by a person who if not on the scene at the time has done their homework.... :-)


    Jim walked into a store which had a sign outside:

    Caution: There are many folks named or nicknamed "Jim" Over Here, and the same applies to other names you mentioned. Unless your informant also tells you various names may have been changed to protect other people's privacy & they are doing doctoral-level sociological research you can't be sure the incident in question actually occurred. The inclusion of a name may add verisimilitude to a tale about events which didn't necessarily occur in real life.


    "Look at this," the dean said." Susan didn't know the answer to
    this question, so she wrote, 'I don't know.' And your football
    player wrote, 'Neither do I.'"

    As a retired schoolteacher I can certainly relate to that one, and I'm cheering for the dean. But I don't imagine this story is entirely true.... :-)


    Then one day Mr. Harris hurried into the doctor's office

    Reminds me of the time when our GP, who was still wet behind the ears, said "How are you?" to which I replied "I was hoping you could tell me that." I enjoyed making him think, and after awhile he began recommending to me as if I'd never heard of it what I'd learned elsewhere & reported to him... [chuckle].


    An anecdote is a personal and unverified story.

    Like the one above. I could supply names & approximate dates, but the iimportant thing is that Dallas & I later found another GP who related better to our preferred learning styles, and both of us are content with his as well. :-)


    Anecdotes are rather short humorous stories

    So are stories beginning with "a blonde, a brunette, and a redhead are stranded in a lifeboat" or "a goldfish walks into a bar". In such cases we know the story is probably fictitious even if there's a grain of truth in it.... :-)


    Jim walked into a store which had a sign outside: "Second-hand
    clothes bought and sold." He was carrying an old pair of pants
    and asked the owner of the store, "How much will you give me
    for these?" The man looked at them and then said rudely, "Two
    dollars." "What!" said Jim." I had guessed they were worth at
    least five."

    A lot depends on whether one is buying or selling, doesn't it? I know (and you probably do too) the capitalistic advice to "buy low & sell high". :-)




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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ardith Hinton on Mon Jul 8 13:26:52 2024

    Hi, Ardith Hinton!
    I read your message from 03.07.2024 01:46


    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Why do French people eat snails?
    They don't like fast food.
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    This is an example of what I would call a "riddle", i.e. a puzzling
    or misleading question which when used as a joke often involves a
    play on words.

    Another example: Q. What do you call an angry carrot? A. A steamed vegetable.

    A Collection of Intermediate Anecdotes in American English

    Hmm. While my American dictionaries seem to agree that an anecdote
    is a story which other people may find entertaining &/or amusing,
    many of them also take into account that (as Anton said, and as a
    Canadian I agree) that as far as we're concerned such stories are typically autobiographical or at least reported by a person who if
    not on the scene at the time has done their homework.... :-)

    So, what is your variant? Jokes?

    BTW Webster is not very categorical on the issue:
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Anecdote: a usually short narrative of an interesting, amusing, or biographical incident
    ----- The end of the citation -----


    Bye, Ardith!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Alexander Koryagin on Fri Aug 23 18:20:00 2024
    Alexander Koryagin:

    An English joke -- "Englishmen are the most coward
    people. If they ask something they always say 'I am
    afraid'". ;-)

    `cowardly'.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Aug 24 17:34:48 2024

    Hi, Anton Shepelev!
    I read your message from 23.08.2024 15:20

    An English joke -- "Englishmen are the most coward
    people. If they ask something they always say 'I am
    afraid'". ;-)

    `cowardly'.

    You mean that there is no adjective "coward"?

    Here for instance,
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coward

    PS: And in general, it is an English feature that almost every word can perform every part of speech.

    Bye, Anton!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Dallas Hinton@1:153/7715 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Aug 24 12:44:23 2024
    Hi, Alexander -- on Aug 24 2024 at 17:34, you wrote:


    You mean that there is no adjective "coward"?

    Here for instance,
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coward

    PS: And in general, it is an English feature that almost every word
    can perform every part of speech.

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect it's an archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't define it as an adjective (listing only "cowardly"), same for Merriam-Webster, Collins, and the Britannica Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows it used an adjective but last used in 1818!


    Cheers... Dallas

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Mon Aug 26 09:11:42 2024

    Hi, Dallas Hinton!
    I read your message from 24.08.2024 15:44

    You mean that there is no adjective "coward"?

    Here for instance,
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/coward

    PS: And in general, it is an English feature that almost every
    word can perform every part of speech.

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect it's an
    archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't define it as an
    adjective (listing only "cowardly"), same for Merriam-Webster,
    Collins, and the Britannica Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows
    it used an adjective but last used in 1818!

    Coward is a noun. Amen! ;-) https://thecontentauthority.com/blog/coward-vs-cowardly

    Bye, Dallas!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2024

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Dallas Hinton on Fri Aug 30 11:51:12 2024
    Dallas Hinton about `coward':

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect
    it's an archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't
    define it as an adjective (listing only "cowardly"),
    same for Merriam-Webster, Collins, and the Britannica
    Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows it used an
    adjective but last used in 1818!

    1913 Webster lists `coward' as an adjective:

    <http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=gcide&Query=coward>

    So I was too blunt.

    I think `coward' /can/ be an adjective by virtue of the
    ability of nouns in English to become adjectives in certain
    cirsumstances, such as:

    systems (vs. systematic) programming
    fall guy
    finger man
    glass (not glassy) jar.

    That said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow' in
    the famous tautology `widow woman'.

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  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5030/1081.143 to Anton Shepelev on Sat Aug 31 13:14:52 2024
    Hi Anton,

    Fri 30 Aug 2024, 11:51, you -> Dallas Hinton:

    That said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow' in
    the famous tautology `widow woman'.

    I've been wondering why do you always put a grave accent sign in place of the apostrophy (which is in turn supposed to signify a single quotation mark) -- any technical reasons to that? Some fonts (such as mine) display those characters as distinctly different --

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/40g98jf43_hx8dij7l.png


    ... End of message, Anton. Confused? Me too! :-)
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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/6 to Gleb Hlebov on Sat Aug 31 20:58:54 2024
    Gleb Hlebov to Anton Shepelev:

    That said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow'
    in the famous tautology `widow woman'.

    I've been wondering why do you always put a grave accent
    sign in place of the apostrophy (which is in turn
    supposed to signify a single quotation mark) -- any
    technical reasons to that?


    Yes, it is the standard ASCII emulation of the opening
    single qutation mark.

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  • From Ardith Hinton@1:153/716 to Anton Shepelev on Thu Sep 26 22:00:53 2024
    Hi, Anton! Recently you wrote in a message to Dallas Hinton:

    I've never seen the word used as an adjective. I suspect
    it's an archaic usage. The Cambridge dictionary doesn't
    define it as an adjective (listing only "cowardly"),
    same for Merriam-Webster, Collins, and the Britannica
    Dictionary. The Oxford dictionary shows it used an
    adjective but last used in 1818!

    1913 Webster lists `coward' as an adjective:

    <http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=gcide&Query=coward>


    My 1983 GAGE CANADIAN DICTIONARY also lists it as an adjective, but in my experience this usage was rare at the time of publication.... :-)



    I think `coward' /can/ be an adjective by virtue of the
    ability of nouns in English to become adjectives in certain
    cirsumstances, such as:

    systems (vs. systematic) programming
    fall guy
    finger man
    glass (not glassy) jar.


    or

    gravel road
    pine cone
    sob sister
    spider vein

    ... AKA noun adjectives or attributive nouns. :-)



    that said, `coward' is no more an ajective than `widow' in
    the famous tautology `widow woman'.

    I ran across "widow woman" as an example of tautology as well. But in this case "woman" is redundant because a widow is by definition female, and if a male finds himself in a similar position he is a widower where I come from. :-)




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