Shawn Highfield wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
With chicken liver even people who dislike chopped liver will like
it. At least that's the case here as Andrea isn't a liver fan.
Saved that one. My hours are changing so one pan / one person meals couple times a week are in my future.
Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
My local Truck Stop cafe is owned by Greek/Macedonian ex-pats but their kitchen staff is all Mexicans. I overhear discussions in three (or
more) languages. Bv)=
Yuo do as I do then. Vote with your wallet. In my town a fooderie has
to be "on Their Game" or they don't last long. There are just so many other choices. The economy weeds out the baddies.
This is one of my favourite orange/chicken dishes. It also, thanks be, cuts down easily.
Quoting Sean Dennis to Shawn Highfield <=-
I am a big fan of lightly fried chicken gizzards. Only person in my family who likes them. I share a love of ginger snaps and real
licorice with my mom but with eggnog, like gizzards, I stand alone. XD
saltines. I was taken off of doxycycline and am being put on
minocycline which shouldn't cause that nausea though nausea is a side effect of all "cyclines".
Quoting Dave Drum to Shawn Highfield <=-
boar's liver is supposed to be a separate item and all liver sold as
pork live is supposed to be from sows.
how hard/involved it was after seeing it done or reading about it. And with some stuff it turns out that it really dows make a difference.
Here's a recipe I've not tried but have eaten (as a dessert item). I'm pretty sure you could make these GF.
Title: Varenyki (Filled Dumplings) Ukrainian
Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-
I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
We tried pork liver once, when we were living on $500./month (early
80s, pre army) and food stamps. Once was enough; it wasn't as bad as
your experience but just too strong for our tastes. Baby beef, calf's
or chicken liver are our preferred choices now.
Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
more than once. But never again pork liver.
We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
Medicare is an "automatic" when you become 65. They nick the premium
out of your Social Security cheque.
I'm 51 and on it now but that's because I draw SSDI.
I'm with you. I'd add this to the recipe:
Title: Bacon-Cheddar Stuffing
Saved. That looks delicious.
This recipe halves very easily (thank providence) and if you're
stuffing two game hens the leftovers may be baked as a side dish for another meal.
Yes, I'd eat both as leftovers!
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
Title: 30-Min: Chili Cornmeal Chicken
Categories: Poultry etc, Chili
Yield: 4 Servings
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
My local Truck Stop cafe is owned by Greek/Macedonian ex-pats but their kitchen staff is all Mexicans. I overhear discussions in three (or
more) languages. Bv)=
I bet the food is actually really good. I once ordered tamales at a Chinese buffet and a sweet Mexican grandm bought me some of hers she
makes fresh daily for the other Mexican workers there. A local eatery called Cootie Brown's[1] has some of the most amazing Mexican food available though they make Jamaican, New Orleans, Mexican, Italian, and American entrees. They also ship their food nationwide.
Yuo do as I do then. Vote with your wallet. In my town a fooderie has
to be "on Their Game" or they don't last long. There are just so many other choices. The economy weeds out the baddies.
We also have East Tennessee State University here that helps the local food and downtown bars going. There is this tiny hole-in-the-wall
place called Pennyman's Diner[2] a couple of miles southwest of me that
is constantly busy but it's delicious. "Fox And Friends" did a live broadcast from there a few years ago and Pennyman's became even more popular.
This is one of my favourite orange/chicken dishes. It also, thanks be, cuts down easily.
Looks tasty and yeah, I have to do that also. I am thankful my mom
taught me how to change measurements in a recipe.
Here's a recipe I just transcribed from one of my favorite YT channels. "Life of Boris" is about a Russian programmer and his life. He
actually has some interesting recipes and ways to eat very, very
cheaply for times when your employer doesn't have money to pay you
(that's happpened to me).
I even included the metric measurements!
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
Title: Milk Soup (Soviet-era)
Categories: Main dish, Russian, Pasta, Sean Dennis
Yield: 2 Servings
I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.
Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)
Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
more than once. But never again pork liver.
We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.
Here's a chicken liver recipe from Ian Hoare's friend Denis who does a
far better job with English than I could with French. I made this once
and it was tasty ... but I had a problem finding the cognac to "flame"
at the finish. Wound up using some Christian Brothers brandy I scored
from an Episcopal priest .... as near as I could figure the call out
in the recipe was the equivalent for a teaspoonful. I used a
tablespoon and let it burn a bit longer to burn off the alcohol.
I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.
Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-
It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,
The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise
ship we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the
Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
boar's liver is supposed to be a separate item and all liver sold as
pork live is supposed to be from sows.
Ohhh I get it now.
how hard/involved it was after seeing it done or reading about it. And with some stuff it turns out that it really dows make a difference.
I prefer the home made ones for Lasagna but for anything else store
brands are good enough.
Here's a recipe I've not tried but have eaten (as a dessert item). I'm pretty sure you could make these GF.
Title: Varenyki (Filled Dumplings) Ukrainian
Yes quite easy. I saved it but it's not really Andrea's thing so I'll
run it past her first.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
more than once. But never again pork liver.
We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.
Here's a chicken liver recipe from Ian Hoare's friend Denis who does a
far better job with English than I could with French. I made this once
and it was tasty ... but I had a problem finding the cognac to "flame"
at the finish. Wound up using some Christian Brothers brandy I scored
from an Episcopal priest .... as near as I could figure the call out
in the recipe was the equivalent for a teaspoonful. I used a
tablespoon and let it burn a bit longer to burn off the alcohol.
I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.
We'll probably look into some alternative way to give it a bit of the
same flavor but without the fire. Those are recipies we leave to those cooks with more experience in that line (G) ....fun to try eating but
not one that I'd want to try making.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-
I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.
Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)
It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,
NS. He was able to pull in at Sydney, NS and one of the tours available was to the Alexander Graham Bell museum at Badeck. We went on that,
didn't have as much time as we would have liked at the museum so that
got us thinking about possibly driving up some day. We also stopped in Halifax, NS the next day and did a harbor tour.
The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise
ship we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the
main dining room for supper but other times were on our own so Steve
and I usually headed to the buffet deck for breakfast and lunch. Had a good long (probably about 2 hours) talk one morning over an extended breakfast with a couple from England on a wide variety of topics.
Dave Drum wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-
https://www.thespruceeats.com
See my quote from the same website about the terms "cube", "dice", and "chop" to xxCarol in this same packet.
Continuing on my theme for this packet:
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
Title: Mom's Chop Suey
Categories: Main dish
Yield: 4 Servings
2 c Pork or chicken, chopped
3/4 c Onion, chopped
2 tb Sugar
2 tb Soy sauce
1 lg Can Chinese vegetables
Fry meat until nearly done. Add sugar, soy sauce, and juice from
canned veggies. Add onion and cook until tender. Add veggies. Add 1c
water. Thicken with corn starch <take 1/4c cold water and 2T corn
starch>.
Serve hot with rice and chow mein noodles.
From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini
MMMMM
-- Sean
... Okay, who put a "stop payment" on my reality check?
Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.
It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,
If you make it to this part of Ontario be sure to let us know.
The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise
ship we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the
We haven't done a cruise yet, though friends of ours keep telling us
to try one.
I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.
We'll probably look into some alternative way to give it a bit of the
same flavor but without the fire. Those are recipies we leave to those cooks with more experience in that line (G) ....fun to try eating but
not one that I'd want to try making.
Accordig to the Wiki: "Flambiing reduces the alcohol content of the
food modestly. In one experimental model, about 25% of the alcohol was boiled off. The effects of the flames are also modest: although the temperature within the flame may be quite high (over 500oC), the temperature at the surface of the pan is lower than that required for
a Maillard browning
reaction or for caramelization.
I have noted that setting it alight is always "at table" never in the kitchen. So the "show biz" claim in the Wiki article is on-target. And
it does look spectacular - especially in a dimly lit bistro. Lights up
the room ... which is OK so long as it doesn't set off the sprinklers.
Here's a tasty dish for which I have recipes that call for settingit DD> on fire and recipes that leave well enough alone.
It's from America's Test Kitchen which means it's in fine detail and
fulll of minutae. I can almost see Mr. Bow Tie McPrissy (Christopher Kimball - not retired) presenting it on their PBS TV show. Be sure to
read my note at the bottom. Bv)=
Title: Steak Diane
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Wine, Booze
Yield: 6 Servings
I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.
Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)
It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the
Easiest way yo get to Toronto from N.S. would be to drop back into the States and point west on I-90 to Buffalo, NY then tip it north to
Toronto.
I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and
zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.
Zooming on the 401 is only possible in the middle of the night and even
then you'll probably hit a traffic jam.
Shawn
Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-
If you make it to this part of Ontario be sure to let us know.
Will do, we might make it a part of a trip to VT. We'll be going up
again this year, hopefully no disaster relief this time but "normal"
VBS, community service and so on. Maple creemees will be a must.
We thought our first Alaska one would be the "one and only", then
Steve's mom wanted to do a family one to New England. While on that
one, Steve decided to book another Alaska trip to catch some of the
things we didn't on the first trip.
shared the table with people from all over the world, quite an
interesting experience talking with them. One night we had all
Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.
Zooming on the 401 is only possible in the middle of the night and even then you'll probably hit a traffic jam.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.
Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)
It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the
Easiest way yo get to Toronto from N.S. would be to drop back into the States and point west on I-90 to Buffalo, NY then tip it north to
Toronto.
We have family in western NY so it would be an easy trip from there. Another possibility would be in conjunction with our mission trips to
VT, but then, we usually stop in NY as part of those.
I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in
We've towed on all kinds of roads so it wouldn't be a problem. As long
as the GPS is accurate and traffic is flowing well, cities are not a problem. Last year we went thru Austin on a Saturday afternoon--lots
more traffic and construction than we'd anticipated but the GPS was accurate and we got thru without incident.
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
the daughters is near.
Depends on what other plans we have. This year there's no graduations
or weddings, other trips are spaced so that we're not going any further west than Ohio. Have to plan the western trips well in advance since
we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.
... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I think it's more for the WOW! effect than anything else.
I have noted that setting it alight is always "at table" never in the kitchen. So the "show biz" claim in the Wiki article is on-target. And
it does look spectacular - especially in a dimly lit bistro. Lights up
the room ... which is OK so long as it doesn't set off the sprinklers.
It definatly is an eye catcher, especially if they dim the lights. Our last couple of cruises were on Princess line ((The Love Boat) ships;
they did a Baked Alaska parade one night at dinner. Basically, get everyone seated, eating and almost ready for dessert. Then they dimmed
the lights in the dining room and paraded around with about a dozen flaming Baked Alaskas. Not sure as I didn't get a close up look as to
how they kept the flames going but it was quite the show, especially
the night they did it on the Alaska trip--we'd spent the day cruising
in Glacier Bay.
Here's a tasty dish for which I have recipes that call for setting
it DD> on fire and recipes that leave well enough alone.
It's from America's Test Kitchen which means it's in fine detail and
fulll of minutae. I can almost see Mr. Bow Tie McPrissy (Christopher Kimball - not retired) presenting it on their PBS TV show. Be sure to
read my note at the bottom. Bv)=
Title: Steak Diane
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Wine, Booze
Yield: 6 Servings
I've got the recipe as I've got several ATK compilation books and a
couple of years of the magazine. IIRC, I've seen a (very) few of the
shows but have enjoyed reading the magazine to find out just "how did
they do that". Tried a few recipies from the magazine but most of them were not really to our taste.
Hi Carol,
I'd make curtains but yes, more (and better cabinetry. We have a hanging rack for pots and pans which is a big help as I don't need to devote cabinet space to them. We have more storage than we did in the rental house, but not a lot more. Nice to dream but..........we're debating a possible move out west in the future, don't know if that will actually come about tho.
On renovations, grin as you saw at the picnic, I have that porch in spades! Mine was done on the picnic table on the porch.
I do remember that. Our back door opens up onto a small deck, with a
patio (new since 2021) off to the side. We'd have to tear down the deck
and figure how to incorporate the water heater room into an expansion.
But, since we probably will never inhert a million dollars, it's just
pipe dream.
On the stir fry, tonight it's flat italian green beans with garlic and mushrooms in olive oil. Main dish will be garlic parmesan alfredo
over egg noodles with sliced kielbasa and garnished with shishido peppers and strips of red bell peppers.
Should all be good!
Sounds good to me. I fell yesterday, bruised my lower back (went to
urgent care this morning, x-rays showed no breaks) so not feeling like
doing much cooking or eating for a few days. When I do get into it
again, we've several options to choose from, depending on my ambition
level.
Quoting Dave Drum to Shawn Highfield <=-
It's been over 35 years since I was on the 401 - so I'm working from
an idealized memory. My first "real" experience with Canada (other than
nice breakfast and when I handed the cashier a U$20 bill and got C$30 and a bit more in change I remarked to my crew "I think I'm going to
like this country." Bv)=
I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in
We've towed on all kinds of roads so it wouldn't be a problem. As long
as the GPS is accurate and traffic is flowing well, cities are not a problem. Last year we went thru Austin on a Saturday afternoon--lots
more traffic and construction than we'd anticipated but the GPS was accurate and we got thru without incident.
How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
the daughters is near.
Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with
traffic. But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.
we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.
Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/ plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry
groceries at really good price points) overall.
For groceries locally I prefer Hy-Vee for staples, Humphrey's for meat
and store-bought produce. With Hy-Vee I can order staple items, have
their minions pick the and bag order and put it in my car - if I buy a U$25 or more order. And we know that's not hard to do in today's
economy.
... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.
True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....
It definatly is an eye catcher, especially if they dim the lights. Our last couple of cruises were on Princess line ((The Love Boat) ships;
they did a Baked Alaska parade one night at dinner. Basically, get everyone seated, eating and almost ready for dessert. Then they dimmed
the lights in the dining room and paraded around with about a dozen flaming Baked Alaskas. Not sure as I didn't get a close up look as to
how they kept the flames going but it was quite the show, especially
the night they did it on the Alaska trip--we'd spent the day cruising
in Glacier Bay.
I prefer my restaurant lighting to be bright enough that I can see
what I'm about to put in my mouth. And bright enough that I can read
the menu without resorting to my cell phone's flashlight function.
Here's a tasty dish for which I have recipes that call for setting
it DD> on fire and recipes that leave well enough alone.
It's from America's Test Kitchen which means it's in fine detail and
fulll of minutae. I can almost see Mr. Bow Tie McPrissy (Christopher Kimball - not retired) presenting it on their PBS TV show. Be sure to
read my note at the bottom. Bv)=
Title: Steak Diane
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Wine, Booze
Yield: 6 Servings
I've got the recipe as I've got several ATK compilation books and a
couple of years of the magazine. IIRC, I've seen a (very) few of the
shows but have enjoyed reading the magazine to find out just "how did
they do that". Tried a few recipies from the magazine but most of them were not really to our taste.
I might catch an episode or two not the Mr. Prissy has gone off
bothering family members instead of the viewing public. Still, they
remind me (or did) that, like with Consumer Reports, what's important
to them is nor
always important to me. They do get exhaustive sometimes.
And for all their nit-pickiness they still manage to forget that a shepherd's pie is made with lamb/mutton. If it's made with beef or
pork it's a "cottage pie". This recipe is really for a cottage pie.
Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
That one makes me smile! It's not actually Asian but it is simple and fast. I just typed it up (adding missing ingrediets from the
directions) and locally it's 64cents a serving.
Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
The food at Star 66 is most excellent. It's a popular stop for locals
as well as the Over The Road folk. They win local "Best of" polls in
more than one category.
We only had one local place on the boob tube. Charlie Parker's Diner
was featured on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives (TVFN). And it won a
National competition for English Muffin use ... the owner (at that
time) split the U$25,000 first prize among his staff in one of the classiest moves I've seen a busiess owner make. www.charlieparkersdiner.com
I'll be there this morning for their "Early Bird" breakfast. Bv)=
So., I went looking on Olga Timokina's http://www.ruscuisine.com to see what she had in that line. Nothing like that but I found this poverty special:
Dave Drum wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-
1/4 fl Cognac
Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-
the fun parts of these cruises--get to meet people from all over the world, with life stories so different from yours.
Dave Drum wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-
I might catch an episode or two not the Mr. Prissy has gone off
bothering family members instead of the viewing public.
Shawn Highfield wrote to Dave Drum <=-
It's been over 35 years since I was on the 401 - so I'm working from
an idealized memory. My first "real" experience with Canada (other than
It's also not quite as busy where you were. The closer you get to
Toronto the worse the traffic.
nice breakfast and when I handed the cashier a U$20 bill and got C$30 and a bit more in change I remarked to my crew "I think I'm going to
like this country." Bv)=
Laugh.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?
Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our
first one in late 2006/early 2007 (in GA, after coming back from HI).
It's a lot easier to plug a destination into the box and let it do the calculating than to do it yourself, especially on our cross country
trips.
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
the daughters is near.
Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with
traffic. But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.
Which, depending on the time of day, day of the week, may/may not be
too bad. Coming thru Atlanta on I-85 is usually no picnic but several years ago we went thru it around 8pm on a week night. All the back ups, traffic jams, etc were gone so going thru, even towing, was not a
problem.
we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.
Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/ plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry
groceries at really good price points) overall.
We've got both the supermarket and the hardware/lumber chain here in
WF. Used to, when we first moved here, we shopped the supermarket quite
a bit as it was convenient to where we lived.
For groceries locally I prefer Hy-Vee for staples, Humphrey's for meat
and store-bought produce. With Hy-Vee I can order staple items, have
their minions pick the and bag order and put it in my car - if I buy a U$25 or more order. And we know that's not hard to do in today's
economy.
Most all of the stores around here do that but we still do our own shopping and furnish the bags for baggers. Or, we'll take them out to
the truck in the buggy and bag them ourselves if we've not grabbed the bags on the way in. Most of our shopping is done at Wegman's, for convenience, value, etc. Food Lion had a special on London broil so we went there so Steve could get some to make jerky--that's where I had
the fall. The back is doing much better now, still have some "nice" bruises but getting around a lot better.
... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.
True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....
Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I might catch an episode or two not the Mr. Prissy has gone off
bothering family members instead of the viewing public. Still, they
remind me (or did) that, like with Consumer Reports, what's important
to them is nor always important to me. They do get exhaustive
sometimes.
And for all their nit-pickiness they still manage to forget that a shepherd's pie is made with lamb/mutton. If it's made with beef or
pork it's a "cottage pie". This recipe is really for a cottage pie.
That seems to be a very common misnomer among Americans. My mom made
what she called Shepherd's Pie a (very) few times when I was young but
it was in reality, a cottage pie. IIRC, we had lanb a few times at my grandmother's house but it was one of the (many) things my mom never bought.
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I might catch an episode or two not the Mr. Prissy has gone off
bothering family members instead of the viewing public.
You do know he left ATK and immediately started Milk Street, right? He became even more pretentious if that's possible. From Milk Street's YT bio:
"Christopher Kimballƒ€™s Milk Street in downtown Boston ƒ€” at 177 Milk Street ƒ€” is home to our magazineƒ€™s editorial offices and our
cooking school. It also is where we record Christopher Kimballƒ€™s
Milk Street television and radio shows.
Milk Street searches the world for bold, simple recipes and techniques that will change the way you cook."
https://www.177milkstreet.com
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
Title: Corn, Ham and Potato Scallop
Categories: Crockpot, Ham, Potatoes, Soups/stews
Yield: 6 Servings
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
The food at Star 66 is most excellent. It's a popular stop for locals
as well as the Over The Road folk. They win local "Best of" polls in
more than one category.
There are no truck stops in my area which is odd considering I-26
bisects Johnson City but I have been to some excellent truck stop eateries. There's this Iron Skillet I like at a Petro's on I-81
somewhere in north-central Virginia that I used to stop at when I was driving from here to Williamsport, PA, for work.
When I used to travel odften, I discovered I liked the small
mom-and-pop eateries attachedc to truck stops a lot more than chain places.
We only had one local place on the boob tube. Charlie Parker's Diner
was featured on Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives (TVFN). And it won a
National competition for English Muffin use ... the owner (at that
time) split the U$25,000 first prize among his staff in one of the classiest moves I've seen a busiess owner make. www.charlieparkersdiner.com
I'd go there if only for the owner's generosity.
I'll be there this morning for their "Early Bird" breakfast. Bv)=
Once I can get a car, there's a few places I'd enjoy going for an early breakfast around here.
There's a regional chain called Eggs Up Grill that is really good with both food and service. Open for breakfast and lunch only.
https://eggsupgrill.com/johnsoncity/
https://eggsupgrill.com/menu/
So., I went looking on Olga Timokina's http://www.ruscuisine.com to see what she had in that line. Nothing like that but I found this poverty special:
That looks like that would keep your bowels busy for a while but you'd lose weight in the process.
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Title: Orange Beef #1
Categories: Chinese, Beef
Yield: 4 Servings
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
1/4 fl Cognac
"fl" is short for "fluid ounce" so that measurement is equal to 1/2 tablespoon or 1 1/2 teaspoons.
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Title: South of the Border Chili
Categories: Chili, Turkey, Beans & leg, Luncheon, Potatoes
Yield: 4 Servings
On the stir fry, tonight it's flat italian green beans with garlic and mushrooms in olive oil. Main dish will be garlic parmesan alfredo
over egg noodles with sliced kielbasa and garnished with shishido peppers and strips of red bell peppers.
Should all be good!
Sounds good to me. I fell yesterday, bruised my lower back (went to
urgent care this morning, x-rays showed no breaks) so not feeling like
doing much cooking or eating for a few days. When I do get into it
again, we've several options to choose from, depending on my ambition
level.
Yeah, no million here but we can dream!
Sorry on the fall. Keep to simple things for now. We got delivery yesterday from China Inn. They make some of the best spring rolls
I've ever had! Anyway, tonight is simple stuff. Fried rice (I use
butter and a lower heat) with leftover vegetable stir fry, leftover
Chow mein, rewarmed egg drop soup, and 2 spring rolls
rewarmedd/crisped in the air fryer.
Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
That one makes me smile! It's not actually Asian but it is simple and fast. I just typed it up (adding missing ingrediets from the directions) and locally it's 64cents a serving.
I think most "Chinese" food that Americans think is Chinese isn't much like how Taco Bell is far from "Mexican" food.
I dunno if this is an authentic Chinese recipe...
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Title: 10 Minute Szechuan Chicken
Categories: Low-cal, Chicken, Chinese
Yield: 4 Servings
4 Chicken breasts* -- skinned
: an
3 TB Cornstarch
1 TB Vegetable oil
3 Cloves garlic -- minced
5 TB Soy sauce (low salt)
1 1/2 TB White-wine vinegar
1 ts Sugar
1/4 c Water
6 Green onions -- cut into 1"
: pi
1/8 ts Cayenne or to taste
Cut chicken *(these are 1/2 breasts, as you buy them in the market)
into 1 1/2 inch cubes. Lightly toss with cornstarch in bag to coat.
Heat oil in skillet or wok; stir-fry chicken and garlic until lightly
browned. Add soy sauce, vinegar, sugar and water. Cover and cook 3
minutes or until chicken is cooked through. Add green onions and
cayenne; cook uncovered about 2 minutes longer.
221 calories per serving.
Recipe By :
From: Sweeney <sweeney@asiaonline.Net>date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 22:51:17
+0800 (
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-- Sean
... Those who think they know it all often upset those of us who do.
Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
I think I remember something about that. Never seen Milk Street on the toob, nor would I go looking for it, preferring cooking shows like "The Urba Peasant" or "Yan Can Cook".
Title: Ham 'n' Potatoes Au Gratin
Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Petro's Iron Skillet restaurant/buffet and Truck Stops of America's Country Pride are among the best travellin' eats.
Yeah, I know. When I was trucking I would made the trudge across the (often busy) highway to a local place. Or pulled into an off-ramp mall parking lot for the resturant in the out-lot.
Mike has since moved on, selling the place to his head cook. Mike was appointed to fill a State Senate seat when the occupant died. He's now resigned that and taken up the reins as Executive Director of the local Association of Commerce and Idustry.
Waffle House is always reliable. Bv)= Wish we had one here - but
they're mostly in the South and West.
Title: Spicy Tangerine Beef
Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
IOW - not a lot unless you're a teetotaller. Bv)=. Which I seem to be these days. I've not had a beer or mixed drink for over 5 years. I did drink the ritual glass of wine at a Passover seder (small glass) and it got me about half-tiddly. I guess now I'd be a cheap drnnk hiving lost
my tolerance for alcohol.
If I'm going to do turkey in chilli I'm going to do something like
this:
Title: Turkey Chili Verde
Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Absolutely ours tend to be 'westernized'. We refused to trade with
China for a long time so genuine Chinese Americans had to 'make do'.
Some of those 'make do' are actually better and are quite popular there and Taiwan.
Here's the recipe using popular Chinese products. It's quite similar.
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I think I remember something about that. Never seen Milk Street
on the toob, nor would I go looking for it, preferring cooking
shows like "The Urba Peasant" or "Yan Can Cook".
I remember both of those shows. "Yan CAN COOK!"
Title: Ham 'n' Potatoes Au Gratin
That looks good. I love bell peppers!
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Title: Creamy Scalloped Potatoes
Categories: Try it, Crockpot, Vegetable
Yield: 6 Servings
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
Petro's Iron Skillet restaurant/buffet and Truck Stops of America's Country Pride are among the best travellin' eats.
There is a T/A on I-81 at exit 36 (Baileyton/Greeneville) called the
Davy Crockett Travel Center that is fairly new. I've been by it but
never been there. Once I get a car, I'll make the drive (45 minutes
each way but 90% is interstate) to check it out. It's also where I can get some amateur radio supplies. Otherwise it's a drive to Knoxville
(107 miles) or to Asheville, NC (63 miles).
The T/A's website: https://davycrocketttravelcenter.com
Yeah, I know. When I was trucking I would made the trudge across the (often busy) highway to a local place. Or pulled into an off-ramp mall parking lot for the resturant in the out-lot.
Same here. With the mobility scooter, it makes it easy.
Mike has since moved on, selling the place to his head cook. Mike was appointed to fill a State Senate seat when the occupant died. He's now resigned that and taken up the reins as Executive Director of the local Association of Commerce and Idustry.
He's moved up and on which is good, I hope.
Waffle House is always reliable. Bv)= Wish we had one here - but
they're mostly in the South and West.
We have three Waffle Houses in Johnson City. The cloest one to me is
ona busy street corner where a Checker's was long ago. About a 6
minute drive away.
Title: Spicy Tangerine Beef
Oh, I love tangerines!
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Title: Crock Pot Beef Stroganoff
Categories: Crockpot, Beef
Yield: 1 Servings
1 1/2 lb Round steak
4 tb Margarine
2 cn Cream of mushroom soup
1 ts Paprika
1 c Onion; chopped
1/2 c Water
1 c Sour cream
Cube round steak. Put steak in crock pot with remaining ingredients.
Salt and pepper to taste. Cook on high 1 hour then low 4 to 6 hours.
Serve with noodles, rice or mashed potatoes. Posted to
recipelu-digest Volume 01 Number 392 by James and Susan Kirkland
<kirkland@gj.net> on Dec 21, 1997
Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-
IOW - not a lot unless you're a teetotaller. Bv)=. Which I seem to be these days. I've not had a beer or mixed drink for over 5 years. I did drink the ritual glass of wine at a Passover seder (small glass) and it got me about half-tiddly. I guess now I'd be a cheap drnnk hiving lost
my tolerance for alcohol.
I don't drink any as my life might depend on it with all the crazy meds I'm on!
If I'm going to do turkey in chilli I'm going to do something like
this:
Title: Turkey Chili Verde
That looks delicious but at the price of ground turkey and my inability
to easily eat crumbled hamburger, I'll save it.
I'm not sure what "all day" delineates in this recipe but I'd think 6-8 hours being set on low:
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Title: Crock Pot Chicken Enchiladas
Categories: Crockpot, Poultry, Mexican
Yield: 1 Servings
the fun parts of these cruises--get to meet people from all over the world, with life stories so different from yours.
I have heard that from my friends who enjoy crusing. One of my
friends is an amateur radio operator and obtained permission from the master of the ship to operate on HF once the ship was underway. My
friend had a lot of fun operating "maritime mobile" as he had the best grounding system on Earth for his setup!
How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?
Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our
Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a
printed accompaniment listing "recommended fuel, food, and
hotel/motel" stops.
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West
Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with
traffic. But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.
Which, depending on the time of day, day of the week, may/may not be
too bad. Coming thru Atlanta on I-85 is usually no picnic but several years ago we went thru it around 8pm on a week night. All the back ups, traffic jams, etc were gone so going thru, even towing, was not a
problem.
Atlanta has a law disallowing semi tractor/tarialer rigs from going
thru the middle of Hot Lanta. I had a set of phony bills of lading
once (in
case I got pulled over) and went right through. I figured it saved my
more than an hour of travel time. OTOH in Chicago, Cincinatti and Imdy it's easier and quicker to use the ring roads and go around.
we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.
Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/ plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry
groceries at really good price points) overall.
We've got both the supermarket and the hardware/lumber chain here in
WF. Used to, when we first moved here, we shopped the supermarket quite
a bit as it was convenient to where we lived.
They (hardware and groceries) originated in North Wilkesboro - home of NASCAR racing. Lowe's Hoe Improvement is currently head-quartered a
bit further south in Mooresville, another city with a rich NASCAR
history .
Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still
reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying. The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have yet to try
them out.
... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.
True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....
Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.
And for all their nit-pickiness they still manage to forget that a shepherd's pie is made with lamb/mutton. If it's made with beef or
pork it's a "cottage pie". This recipe is really for a cottage pie.
That seems to be a very common misnomer among Americans. My mom made
what she called Shepherd's Pie a (very) few times when I was young but
it was in reality, a cottage pie. IIRC, we had lanb a few times at my grandmother's house but it was one of the (many) things my mom never bought.
The usuall elevated price of sheep meat over cow or pig meat has a lot
to do with its lack of popularity. Heck lamb chops are more expensive
than even Waygo beef steaks in my area. Bv)=
There are, however, some bargain priced lamb cuts which are very
tasty.
Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
I think I remember something about that. Never seen Milk Street on the toob, nor would I go looking for it, preferring cooking shows like "The Urba Peasant" or "Yan Can Cook".
I remember both of those shows. "Yan CAN COOK!"
Title: Ham 'n' Potatoes Au Gratin
That looks good. I love bell peppers!
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Title: Creamy Scalloped Potatoes
Categories: Try it, Crockpot, Vegetable
Yield: 6 Servings
2 lb Potatoes (about 6 medium)
1/4 ts Pepper
3 tb Butter
1 Small onion, thinly sliced
1 cn Cream of mushroom soup
- (10 oz.)
1/4 c Flour
1 ts Salt
4 sl American cheese
Peel and thinly slice potatoes. Toss slices in 1 cup water and 1/2
teaspoon cream of tartar. Drain. Put half of sl iced potatoes in
greased CROCK-POT. Top with half of onion slices, flour, salt and
pepper. Add remaining sliced potatoes and onions. Sprinkle with
remaining flour. Add butter and undiluted soup. Cover and cook on Low
7 to 9 hours. (High: 3 to 4 hours). Add cheese slices 30 minutes
before serving (Recipe may be doubled for 5-quart model).
From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini
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-- Sean
... Procedures designed to implement the purpose won't quite work.
Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Sean Dennis <=-
Absolutely ours tend to be 'westernized'. We refused to trade with China for a long time so genuine Chinese Americans had to 'make do'. Some of those 'make do' are actually better and are quite popular there and Taiwan.
It's always good to make something better, especially food.
Here's the recipe using popular Chinese products. It's quite similar.
That does look tasty no matter its origin. There is a nice cook I watch on YouTube who is Chinese or Taiwanese and is a great cook. Her channel is called "Souped Up Recipes". She makes authentic Chinese dishes that all look delicious.
https://www.youtube.com/@SoupedUpRecipes
Here's one of her recipes I transcribed that I like:
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Title: Shanghai Rice
Categories: Asian, Rice, Vegetable, Bacon, Seandennis
Yield: 4 Servings
1 1/2 c Jasmine rice
2 c Water
1/2 lb Boy choy or choy sum, diced
4 oz Jinhua ham or bacon, diced
1 1/2 T Minced garlic
1/4 t Salt (or to taste)
1/2 t Black pepper (or to taste)
Finely dice the vegetable and separate the stem and the leaves because
they take a different amount of time to cook. You can use any green
leafy vegetables with a crunchy stem to give the rice a nice texture,
such as baby bok choy, Chinese broccoli, and choy sum.
Finely dice the Jinhua ham.
Wash the rice several times to remove the impurities and excess
starch. Drain it thoroughly so you don't mess up the water ratio.
Add the rice and water to a saucepan and bring it to a boil over high
heat. This only takes just a few minutes. Don't go away because if
you forget the time, it will overflow.
Once the rice is simmering, put on the lid and continue to cook the
rice over low heat for another 18 minutes.
Heat a wok over high heat. Add the pork lark and Jinhua ham and
saute for 2 minutes. If using bacon as a replacement, please skip the
pork lard, as you will get lots of fat.
Add minced garlic and the diced choy sum stem. Stir for a couple of
minutes.
Add the choy sum leaves and continue to stir until the volume
decreases.
Season it with some salt and black pepper to taste. Every brand of
ham has different sodium levels; please taste to adjust the saltiness.
Thoroughly combine the rice with the vegetable and ham.
Replacement Tips:
Jinhua ham is a special cured meat from Jin Hua, Zhe Jiang province.
It was listed as a tribute from Song Dynasty to Qing Dynasty. You
can use Italian prosciutto as a replacement because they taste
similar. I also tried bacon, and it turned out delicious.
Pork lard can be replaced with your preferred cooking oil.
Recipe by Souped Up Recipes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXVXONQb0A
Converted to Meal-Master format by Sean Dennis (1:18/200@Fidonet) on
16 August 2023.
MMMMM
-- Sean
... Energizer bunny arrested. Charged with battery.
Hi Sean,
the fun parts of these cruises--get to meet people from all over the world, with life stories so different from yours.
I have heard that from my friends who enjoy crusing. One of my
friends is an amateur radio operator and obtained permission from the master of the ship to operate on HF once the ship was underway. My friend had a lot of fun operating "maritime mobile" as he had the best grounding system on Earth for his setup!
Steve wanted to do that but decided there were too many hoops to jump
thru to make it worthwhile. It probably would have meant packing his
carry on with radio gear. BTW, his call sign is NY4NC, as he explains "I left New York for North Carolina".
Our fig tree is leafing out quite well, also has a good number of baby
figs. Steve took a couple of small branches, dipped them in rooting
hormone and then planted them in pots. They've both taken off so he gave
one to a neighbor, will plant the other on our property (other side of
the house from current tree). Looks like we'll have gallons of figs in a
few years; I think it took the current tree about 5 years to really
start putting out.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?
Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our
Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a
printed accompaniment listing "recommended fuel, food, and
hotel/motel" stops.
We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally
map book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the vehicle for those "just in case" (and have had them a few times) situations. Helps to know where an unknown exit will take you if you're caught on a rolling parking lot.
Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice
We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.
The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
section; when we first moved to WF, they were clearing out a lot of
their Indian foods. We got quite a few over time, once as we were
checking out, had a young lady from India as our cashier. She commented that her father really liked the brand Lowe's was getting rid of and we were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)
Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.
Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.
... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.
True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....
Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
And for all their nit-pickiness they still manage to forget that a shepherd's pie is made with lamb/mutton. If it's made with beef or
pork it's a "cottage pie". This recipe is really for a cottage pie.
That seems to be a very common misnomer among Americans. My mom made
what she called Shepherd's Pie a (very) few times when I was young but
it was in reality, a cottage pie. IIRC, we had lanb a few times at my grandmother's house but it was one of the (many) things my mom never bought.
The usual elevated price of sheep meat over cow or pig meat has a lot
to do with its lack of popularity. Heck lamb chops are more expensive
than even Waygo beef steaks in my area. Bv)=
Which is probably why my mom never bought it. That, and I don't recall ever seeing it in our supermarkets where I grew up. We had an A&P and a Victory Market but neither of them were very big stores. Victory sold
out to a church/school probably about 20+/- years ago, A&P sold out to Freshtown about 15 years ago, after it had been flooded and rebuilt several times.
There are, however, some bargain priced lamb cuts which are very
tasty.
We've splurged on lamb chops a few times, grilling them outside. Also
got a leg of lamb maybe 15 years ago, enjoyed that and have another one
in the freezer.
Glad you are feeling better! Rice bags rule then! Seriously they
help a lot.
Hi Carol,
Glad you are feeling better! Rice bags rule then! Seriously they
help a lot.
The back is doing MUCH!!! better, haven't used heat on it for several
days now. Should have thought of rice bags but heating pads worked just
as well, without the need to get up and pop it into the microwave.
I saw your Simply Ducky posting just before this one--the date sure
takes me back. We'd moved from HI to GA, not that long ago so still
cooking a lot Hawaiian style. I did do a duck once over there, from an
Alton Brown "Good Eats" recipe. Duck came with a packet of "wild rice dressing" which we discarded, recipe included braised chard as a side
dish. I'd never bought chard before, but it was good---and I've bought
it quite often since.
When we were in Berlin, we went with several other couples from our (international, English speaking) church to a Chinese restaurant. One
man, knowing we were going there, called ahead and ordered a Peking duck
for the table. First time we'd ever had it, really enjoyed it but I
don't think we've had it since. Maybe some time soon..........
I have heard that from my friends who enjoy crusing. One of my
friends is an amateur radio operator and obtained permission from the master of the ship to operate on HF once the ship was underway. My friend had a lot of fun operating "maritime mobile" as he had the best grounding system on Earth for his setup!
Steve wanted to do that but decided there were too many hoops to jump
thru to make it worthwhile. It probably would have meant packing his
carry on with radio gear. BTW, his call sign is NY4NC, as he explains "I left New York for North Carolina".
Our fig tree is leafing out quite well, also has a good number of baby
figs. Steve took a couple of small branches, dipped them in rooting
hormone and then planted them in pots. They've both taken off so he gave
one to a neighbor, will plant the other on our property (other side of
the house from current tree). Looks like we'll have gallons of figs in a
few years; I think it took the current tree about 5 years to really
start putting out.
Apple trees take a while to fruit too. In your area, a golden
delicious paired with a granny smith will work well as will a granny
smith with a pink lady. They require cross pollenation to do much.
Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a
We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally
map book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the
I never used the AAA service. But my parents did a time or three. They
got back a three-inch tall by seven or eight inch wild book of strip
maps with the AAA suggested routes highlighted. Also regukar 8 1/2" X
11 pages with recommended restaurants, motels and roadside
attractions.
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We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.
You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I
mislike "back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst
it's ever been my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once
"I don't tell you how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I
know how." And if I was forced to ride with her in her car???? She
drove like porcupines
making love - slowly and painfully.
8<----- CUT ----->8
The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)
Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.
Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.
It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and
scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my
selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.
The usual elevated price of sheep meat over cow or pig meat has a lot
to do with its lack of popularity. Heck lamb chops are more expensive
than even Waygo beef steaks in my area. Bv)=
Which is probably why my mom never bought it. That, and I don't recall ever seeing it in our supermarkets where I grew up. We had an A&P and a Victory Market but neither of them were very big stores. Victory sold
out to a church/school probably about 20+/- years ago, A&P sold out to Freshtown about 15 years ago, after it had been flooded and rebuilt several times.
When I see lamb chops on a restaurant menu the price makes my throat
slam shut. Even buying them in a butcher shop can put a crimp in my budget.
There are, however, some bargain priced lamb cuts which are very
tasty.
We've splurged on lamb chops a few times, grilling them outside. Also
got a leg of lamb maybe 15 years ago, enjoyed that and have another one
in the freezer.
Lamb chops at Hy-Vee are currently U$12.99/lb (bone-in). They are the
only local market admitting to having sheep meat. Bv)=
Hi Carol,
I have heard that from my friends who enjoy crusing. One of my friends is an amateur radio operator and obtained permission from th master of the ship to operate on HF once the ship was underway. My friend had a lot of fun operating "maritime mobile" as he had the be grounding system on Earth for his setup!
Steve wanted to do that but decided there were too many hoops to jump thru to make it worthwhile. It probably would have meant packing his carry on with radio gear. BTW, his call sign is NY4NC, as he explains "I left New York for North Carolina".
Our fig tree is leafing out quite well, also has a good number of baby figs. Steve took a couple of small branches, dipped them in rooting hormone and then planted them in pots. They've both taken off so he gave one to a neighbor, will plant the other on our property (other side of the house from current tree). Looks like we'll have gallons of figs in a few years; I think it took the current tree about 5 years to really
start putting out.
Apple trees take a while to fruit too. In your area, a golden delicious paired with a granny smith will work well as will a granny smith with a pink lady. They require cross pollenation to do much.
I don't know if we want to put any more trees on our property. We own
.28 acres; when we bought it, it had several more trees than it does
now. Taking several down that had problems has opened it up so not so
much is shaded and we can actually grow grass. Several years ago when
one pine tree was taken out, they dropped it across the road; when it landed, the "THUMP!" of it shook the ground. (G)
We have a small raised bed garden in one corner of the back yard. It's mostly an herb garden but Steve planted some sugar snap peas this year.
The other day he reported that they're starting to grow the trellis so hopefully in a few weeks we'll be eating fresh peas.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a
We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally
map book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the
I never used the AAA service. But my parents did a time or three. They
got back a three-inch tall by seven or eight inch wild book of strip
maps with the AAA suggested routes highlighted. Also regukar 8 1/2" X
11 pages with recommended restaurants, motels and roadside
attractions.
I don't know what my dad used, probably studied road maps. We did have
the Rand McNally campgrounds atlas that my parents used extensivly. It listed campgrounds (by city, town, etc) and the amenities they offered; one thing my dad always insisted on was that it have flush toilets. (G)
Even when camping, Mom fixed 99.99% of our meals so restarant listings would have been as useless as motels. The few times we ate out, we just went to some place near the campground....I remember going for lobster
(We kids had to get other seafood, but each got a bite of lobster from what mom & dad ordered.) up in Maine but that was a rare exception.
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We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.
You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I
mislike "back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst
it's ever been my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once
"I don't tell you how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I
know how." And if I was forced to ride with her in her car???? She
drove like porcupines making love - slowly and painfully.
Don't forget, she was raised when there were fewer cars, trucks, etc on the road.
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The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)
Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.
Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.
It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.
Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael, Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
When I see lamb chops on a restaurant menu the price makes my throat
slam shut. Even buying them in a butcher shop can put a crimp in my budget.
There are, however, some bargain priced lamb cuts which are very
tasty.
We found some at a decent price at Sam's Club a while back. Grabbed
them, had a couple each, and the rest are in the freezer. Will probably get them out some time soon and grill them.
We've splurged on lamb chops a few times, grilling them outside. Also
got a leg of lamb maybe 15 years ago, enjoyed that and have another one
in the freezer.
Lamb chops at Hy-Vee are currently U$12.99/lb (bone-in). They are the
only local market admitting to having sheep meat. Bv)=
We've not looked for it lately, just happed to come across the deal at Sam's.
The back is doing MUCH!!! better, haven't used heat on it for several
days now. Should have thought of rice bags but heating pads worked just
I saw your Simply Ducky posting just before this one--the date sure
takes me back. We'd moved from HI to GA, not that long ago so still
dish. I'd never bought chard before, but it was good---and I've bought
it quite often since.
When we were in Berlin, we went with several other couples from our (international, English speaking) church to a Chinese restaurant. One
man, knowing we were going there, called ahead and ordered a Peking duck
for the table. First time we'd ever had it, really enjoyed it but I
Yes, quite a memory road there! GA, retirement right? Me, bit later,
about 3 years after the 'Ducky' and no, never tried to make peking
duck. Looks too fussy for me though I've done many a fussy recipe
over time!
Now, stir frys are really common. Fast and easy. Not always though.
Apple trees take a while to fruit too. In your area, a golden delicious paired with a granny smith will work well as will a granny smith with a pink lady. They require cross pollenation to do much.
I don't know if we want to put any more trees on our property. We own
.28 acres; when we bought it, it had several more trees than it does
now. Taking several down that had problems has opened it up so not so
much is shaded and we can actually grow grass. Several years ago when
one pine tree was taken out, they dropped it across the road; when it landed, the "THUMP!" of it shook the ground. (G)
We have a small raised bed garden in one corner of the back yard. It's mostly an herb garden but Steve planted some sugar snap peas this year.
The other day he reported that they're starting to grow the trellis so hopefully in a few weeks we'll be eating fresh peas.
Well, your land is bigger than mine! I'm a bit less than 1/5th acre
here. Container garden though is pretty extensive. Most containers
are 3ft long (some 4ft), all raised to make tending easier. 20 of
them. Plus some 7 others in round shapes (some quite big) and grow
bags. I didn't try peas this year but have 2 types of beans (blue
lake green and wax).
I've got too many types to list, Should be a good harvest!
I never used the AAA service. But my parents did a time or three. They
got back a three-inch tall by seven or eight inch wild book of strip
maps with the AAA suggested routes highlighted. Also regukar 8 1/2" X
11 pages with recommended restaurants, motels and roadside
attractions.
I don't know what my dad used, probably studied road maps. We did have
the Rand McNally campgrounds atlas that my parents used extensivly. It listed campgrounds (by city, town, etc) and the amenities they offered; one thing my dad always insisted on was that it have flush toilets. (G)
Definitely not a "country boy", then. Bv)= On the farm we had six
rooms and a path. Baths were taken in a large washtub near the kitchen stove so we could have hot water. It was a matter of great mement when
we gor an oval galvanised "horse trough to replace the round wash tub.
Even when camping, Mom fixed 99.99% of our meals so restarantlistings RH> would have been as useless as motels. The few times we ate
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We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.
You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I
mislike "back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst
it's ever been my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once
"I don't tell you how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I
know how." And if I was forced to ride with her in her car???? She
drove like porcupines making love - slowly and painfully.
Don't forget, she was raised when there were fewer cars, trucks, etc on the road.
I don't believe that she ever drove a car over 40 MPH in her life.
Even on Route 66 which put her in danger of getting rear-ended. Thank goodness it was a 4 lane road. I remember being honked at many times
on 2 land highways.
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The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)
Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.
Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.
It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
It's sort of like ordering from Amazon - except you don't have to wait
2 days for delivery. Hy-Vee will also deliver your groceries (just
like the old days). Since I'm a Perks Plus member there's a U$25
minimum order - I have only used that service once - when I was
housebound on doctor's say so. If one is not a Perks Plus member the minimum for free delivery is
U$100.
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were onthe RH> echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the
I remember you were coming through my town on Route 66/I-55 and we met
at the local Cracker Barrel. There was a Commode Door 64 cofuser
involved.
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was beforeNancy DD> fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.
Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael, Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.
Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.
My house mate gave me a "Great Value" (as-if) single serve beef
stroganoff yesterday which he had tried and didn't care for. He asked
me "What's
wrong with this stuff?" Besides being fro Wally World, they used
mystery meat, very little spice/flavouring agents, rotini pasta in
plsce of wide
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egg noodles and worst of all - no sour cream.
I'm making this for him tomorrow evening:
Title: Beef Stroganoff w/Noodles
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Dairy, Mushrooms, Pasta
Yield: 4 servings
There are, however, some bargain priced lamb cuts which are very
tasty.
We found some at a decent price at Sam's Club a while back. Grabbed
them, had a couple each, and the rest are in the freezer. Will probably get them out some time soon and grill them.
I used to get leg-o-lamb at Sam's when I was still dong business with Wally-World. After Sam Walton passed and the heirs turned things over
to the penny-pinchers I eschewed doing business with them. The stores
are dirty, cluttered, and crowded. And, with smart shopping I can beat their so-called "Always Low Prices" in several ways/places.
We've splurged on lamb chops a few times, grilling them outside.Also RH> got a leg of lamb maybe 15 years ago, enjoyed that and have
Lamb chops at Hy-Vee are currently U$12.99/lb (bone-in). They are the
only local market admitting to having sheep meat. Bv)=
We've not looked for it lately, just happed to come across the deal at Sam's.
My favourite meat market (Humphrey's) is where I buy my sheep meat. On offer this week is Rack of Lamb @ U$5.99 lb. (U$6.99 if they "French"
it). Elsewhere (including Magro's Meats (thir main competitor) it's a
bit more - U$9.99 and up. And it's late in the season for lamb. Bv)=
Both Humphrey's and Magro's slaughter their own meat for the most
part.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
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egg noodles and worst of all - no sour cream.
I've used plain yogurt as a sub for sour cream. This sounds like it
wasn't worth the money paid for it. (G)
I'm making this for him tomorrow evening:
Title: Beef Stroganoff w/Noodles
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Dairy, Mushrooms, Pasta
Yield: 4 servings
Sounds much better; I might make some up (double the recipe) and pop
the extras in the freezer until our next trip. Hold out the noodles,
cook them fresh and have an easy camping meal. I've already got a
number of meals from previous times planned for the upcoming trip.
Don't be surprised if my postings are somewhat irregular over the next couple of weeks; we'll be on the road and don't know if we'll always
have internet access.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I don't know what my dad used, probably studied road maps. We did have
the Rand McNally campgrounds atlas that my parents used extensivly. It listed campgrounds (by city, town, etc) and the amenities they offered; one thing my dad always insisted on was that it have flush toilets. (G)
Definitely not a "country boy", then. Bv)= On the farm we had six
He rough camped enough with the local boy scout troop that he wanted to
be more comfortable on the family camping trips. As long as I can remember, he always used an air mattress under the sleeping bag, both
with the scouts and family outings.
rooms and a path. Baths were taken in a large washtub near the kitchen stove so we could have hot water. It was a matter of great mement when
we gor an oval galvanised "horse trough to replace the round wash tub.
Dad was a city boy, raised in North Tonawanda, NY. He was active with
the boy scouts there, military (WWII) service was in the Navy. Mom was also city raised but camped with the girl scouts--they figured with 5 kids, camping was the cheapest way to go (true) for vacations, tho we didn't start travelling until the youngest was around 7.
8<----- CUT ----->8
We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.
You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I
mislike "back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst
it's ever been my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once
"I don't tell you how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I
know how." And if I was forced to ride with her in her car???? She
drove like porcupines making love - slowly and painfully.
Don't forget, she was raised when there were fewer cars, trucks, etc on the road.
I don't believe that she ever drove a car over 40 MPH in her life.
Even on Route 66 which put her in danger of getting rear-ended. Thank goodness it was a 4 lane road. I remember being honked at many times
on 2 land highways.
But, she got to where she was going safely. Did she drive tractors on
the farm?
8<----- CUT ----->8
The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)
Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.
Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.
It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
It's sort of like ordering from Amazon - except you don't have to wait
2 days for delivery. Hy-Vee will also deliver your groceries (just
like the old days). Since I'm a Perks Plus member there's a U$25
minimum order - I have only used that service once - when I was
housebound on doctor's say so. If one is not a Perks Plus member the minimum for free delivery is U$100.
It's something to consider, thought about it during the covid shut
downs but Steve went out (with a detailed list) about once a week. He still shops solo from time to time when I either don't want to go or
he's out otherwise and swings into (usually Wegman's) to pick something up.
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before
Nancy DD> fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.
Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael, Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.
Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.
Mark Lewis from NC? We point off of Marc Lewis, IIRC now in Huntsville, AL.
My house mate gave me a "Great Value" (as-if) single serve beef
stroganoff yesterday which he had tried and didn't care for. He asked
me "What's wrong with this stuff?" Besides being fro Wally World,
they used mystery meat, very little spice/flavouring agents, rotini
pasta in plsce of wide
Sounds very forgettable. (G)
Re: Cookware (part #2)
By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri May 03 2024 11:27 am
On the stir fry Wok. I rarely use a real wok, I use what is called a flat bottom wok. It sits on a regular stove burner and has deep sides that fan out so you can park bits at need or just make larger amounts
at need, Easier to toss contents about.
Similar to mine.
https://www.wayfair.com/ChefSeason--ChefSeason-Carbon-Steel-Wok-Flat-B
I only did Boy Sprouts for a couple years since one of the leaders made me nervous (today I'd say "He set my gay-dar off") and later made headlines
in the local daily paper. But, I did my share (and then some) of rough
Hi Carol,
Re: Cookware (part #2)
By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri May 03 2024 11:27 am
On the stir fry Wok. I rarely use a real wok, I use what is called a flat bottom wok. It sits on a regular stove burner and has deep sides that fan out so you can park bits at need or just make larger amounts at need, Easier to toss contents about.
I think mine is similar. We got a smaller one some years back, after the girls moved out, but it seems I still make enough stir fry to feed a
small family. This one doesn't have a cover so I have to make sure a pot
lid is handy for steaming. It also doesn't have the traditional ring so
it sits flat on the smooth top stove--have to really hang onto it with
one hand while stir frying with the other. (G)
Similar to mine.
https://www.wayfair.com/ChefSeason--ChefSeason-Carbon-Steel-Wok-Flat-B
Sounds basically the same as mine. We got ours at a Kitchenware
Collections (outlet mall kitchen store) before they went out of
business.
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
I only did Boy Sprouts for a couple years since one of the leaders made me nervous (today I'd say "He set my gay-dar off") and later made headlines
in the local daily paper. But, I did my share (and then some) of rough
I think I was in about three years, never advancing beyond Tenderfoot.
;)
In my case I enjoyed the Cub Scouts a lot more. The one thing I
enjoyed about Boy Scouts was summer camp at Camp Wildcat Hollow. That, and the yearly trek to Land Between the Lakes.
Besides the "funny" leader there tended to be a lot of bullies who needed taking down a peg (or two). My folks sent me to the local BSA summer camp
a Lake Springfield, Camp Illiniwek, where we slept in big, more-or-less permanent tipi deals. That summer was in the middle of a drought and the
lake was reduced to a small strean a 12 year old could step across easily.
As it happened across the part of the lake where our boy's camp was there were Camp Widgiwagen (Girl Scouts) and Camp Star of the Sea (Baptist
Church).
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
Besides the "funny" leader there tended to be a lot of bullies who needed taking down a peg (or two). My folks sent me to the local BSA summer camp
a Lake Springfield, Camp Illiniwek, where we slept in big, more-or-less permanent tipi deals. That summer was in the middle of a drought and the lake was reduced to a small strean a 12 year old could step across easily.
Our troop seemed to be bully free, which was good. The tents at our
camp were old army surplus with (likely) surplus cots and pallets for floors.
As it happened across the part of the lake where our boy's camp was there were Camp Widgiwagen (Girl Scouts) and Camp Star of the Sea (Baptist Church).
Unfortunately, our camp was in the middle of nowhere with no "girl"
camps around anywhere. I wasn't that interested in them yet anyway.
About the time I got very interested in girls was when I lost interest
in participating in Boy Scouts. ;)
Re: Real Deal was: Cookware (
By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat May 04 2024 11:56 am
On all my harvest, most will be eaten fresh but some will be dried for later use. We'll see as the year goes along!
egg noodles and worst of all - no sour cream.
I've used plain yogurt as a sub for sour cream. This sounds like it
wasn't worth the money paid for it. (G)
Not even the price I got it for - free. Bv)=
I'm making this for him tomorrow evening:
Title: Beef Stroganoff w/Noodles
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Dairy, Mushrooms, Pasta
Yield: 4 servings
Sounds much better; I might make some up (double the recipe) and pop
the extras in the freezer until our next trip. Hold out the noodles,
cook them fresh and have an easy camping meal. I've already got a
number of meals from previous times planned for the upcoming trip.
Don't be surprised if my postings are somewhat irregular over the next couple of weeks; we'll be on the road and don't know if we'll always
have internet access.
I got a deal on chuck-eye steaks at Meijer (the folks that Sam Walton copied from when starting WalMart) So I'm going to make this next. BTW
te stroganoff turned out well. No leftovers. Bv)=
Definitely not a "country boy", then. Bv)= On the farm we had six
He rough camped enough with the local boy scout troop that he wanted to
be more comfortable on the family camping trips. As long as I can remember, he always used an air mattress under the sleeping bag, both
with the scouts and family outings.
I only did Boy Sprouts for a couple years since one of the leaders
made me nervous (today I'd say "He set my gay-dar off") and later made headlines in the local daily paper. But, I did my share (and then
weater, and rolling uot my sleeping bag.
Dad was a city boy, raised in North Tonawanda, NY. He was active with kids, camping was the cheapest way to go (true) for vacations, tho we didn't start travelling until the youngest was around 7.
I split the difference between town and country. My grandparents had
the 800+ acres family farm originally deeded to an ancestore for
services in the Revolutionary War as a "section" (640 acres). And they
had a "town
house" which my grandmother preferred. It was a Sears Craftsman in a
well known neighbourhood of similar homes. I found pixtures online of
the very place (somewhat updated since the 1960s)
Don't forget, she was raised when there were fewer cars, trucks, etc on the road.
I don't believe that she ever drove a car over 40 MPH in her life.
Even on Route 66 which put her in danger of getting rear-ended. Thank goodness it was a 4 lane road. I remember being honked at many times
on 2 land highways.
But, she got to where she was going safely. Did she drive tractors on
the farm?
Not hardly.
It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
It's easier for me to parse an advertisement/listing than to trudge
all over what is, after all, a Big Box store. Bv)=
It's something to consider, thought about it during the covid shut
downs but Steve went out (with a detailed list) about once a week. He still shops solo from time to time when I either don't want to go or
he's out otherwise and swings into (usually Wegman's) to pick something up.
Back in the day nearly all neighbourhood groceries had delivery
service.
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Whether a box-bodied truck or a bicycle with a large basket. My granny used it a lot in Carlinville.
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IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before
Nancy DD> fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.
Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael, Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.
Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.
Mark Lewis from NC? We point off of Marc Lewis, IIRC now in Huntsville, AL.
Didn't know there were two. I'm replying in this packet via his SESTAR BBS.
Besides the "funny" leader there tended to be a lot of bullies who needed
taking down a peg (or two). My folks sent me to the local BSA summer camp
a Lake Springfield, Camp Illiniwek, where we slept in big, more-or-less
permanent tipi deals. That summer was in the middle of a drought and the
lake was reduced to a small strean a 12 year old could step across easily.
Our troop seemed to be bully free, which was good. The tents at our camp were old army surplus with (likely) surplus cots and pallets for floors.
As it happened across the part of the lake where our boy's camp was there
were Camp Widgiwagen (Girl Scouts) and Camp Star of the Sea (Baptist
Church).
Unfortunately, our camp was in the middle of nowhere with no "girl" camps around anywhere. I wasn't that interested in them yet anyway. About the time I got very interested in girls was when I lost interest in participating in Boy Scouts. ;)
I think I was in about three years, never advancing beyond MP>Tenderfoot.;)
In my case I enjoyed the Cub Scouts a lot more. The one thing I
enjoyed about Boy Scouts was summer camp at Camp Wildcat Hollow. That,
and the yearly trek to Land Between the Lakes.
Besides the "funny" leader there tended to be a lot of bullies who needed taking down a peg (or two). My folks sent me to the local BSA summer camp a Lake Springfield, Camp Illiniwek, where we slept in big, more-or-less permanent tipi deals. That summer was in the middle of a drought and the lake was reduced to a small strean a 12 year old could step across easily.
As it happened across the part of the lake where our boy's camp was there were Camp Widgiwagen (Girl Scouts) and Camp Star of the Sea (Baptist Church).
Some of us made the walk across the dry lake to both camps. Giving rise
to "Be prepared, it's the Boy Scouts march song. If you come across a
Girl Scout who is similarly inclined don't be frightened, don't be flustered, don't be scared. Be Prepared"
We were often in company of one of the camp counselors so we "got away" with a lot - as he was "otherwise occupied" wit his opposite number at that camp. Bv)=
Unfortunately, our camp was in the middle of nowhere with no "girl" camps around anywhere. I wasn't that interested in them yet anyway. About the time I got very interested in girls was when I lost interest in participating in Boy Scouts. ;)
I, OTOH, was interested in girls from before I was a Cub Sprout. My
sister's friends were very friendly. Bv)=
I see the B.S.A. has changed its name to "Scouting America" Which is a usurpation since the Boy Scouts were invented by Robert Baden-Powell in Merrie Olde England as the Boy Scouts Association in 1908.
Today is the anniversary of the first time bottle Co'Cola was sold in
1886.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
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Whether a box-bodied truck or a bicycle with a large basket. My granny used it a lot in Carlinville.
The grocery store that delivered had a panel truck.
8<----- CHOP ----->8
IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before
Nancy DD> fell off of her twig.
Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........
I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.
Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael, Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.
Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.
Mark Lewis from NC? We point off of Marc Lewis, IIRC now in Huntsville, AL.
Didn't know there were two. I'm replying in this packet via his SESTAR BBS.
Where is he out of? Maybe we have 3 Mark(c) Lewis's?
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
Unfortunately, our camp was in the middle of nowhere with no "girl" camps around anywhere. I wasn't that interested in them yet anyway. About the time I got very interested in girls was when I lost interest in participating in Boy Scouts. ;)
I, OTOH, was interested in girls from before I was a Cub Sprout. My
sister's friends were very friendly. Bv)=
My sisters were younger than I so their friends were more of a pain
than interesting. OTOH, there were a few babysitters when I was
younger that got me interested (although at that age, in what I had no idea!).
I see the B.S.A. has changed its name to "Scouting America" Which is a usurpation since the Boy Scouts were invented by Robert Baden-Powell in Merrie Olde England as the Boy Scouts Association in 1908.
I saw that. That is sad, really.
Today is the anniversary of the first time bottle Co'Cola was sold in
1886.
I am more of a Double Cola / Ski man myself. ;)
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
He rough camped enough with the local boy scout troop that he wanted to
be more comfortable on the family camping trips. As long as I can remember, he always used an air mattress under the sleeping bag, both
with the scouts and family outings.
I only did Boy Sprouts for a couple years since one of the leaders
made me nervous (today I'd say "He set my gay-dar off") and later made headlines in the local daily paper. But, I did my share (and then
I've read about them and wondered about some I've known.
weater, and rolling uot my sleeping bag.
Easier (and generally safer) for a guy to do than a girl.
Dad was a city boy, raised in North Tonawanda, NY. He was active with kids, camping was the cheapest way to go (true) for vacations, tho we didn't start travelling until the youngest was around 7.
I split the difference between town and country. My grandparents had
the 800+ acres family farm originally deeded to an ancestore for
services in the Revolutionary War as a "section" (640 acres). And they
Nice that you've got the back story for it. Does it still raise the
crops it did initially or have they changed as the country got more
urban?
had a "town
house" which my grandmother preferred. It was a Sears Craftsman in a
well known neighbourhood of similar homes. I found pixtures online of
the very place (somewhat updated since the 1960s)
I've read about them. Back when we were in Swansboro, one of Steve's co workers was building a Jim Walther home. We never had the money for
land, let alone a house kit on top of that.
It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
It's easier for me to parse an advertisement/listing than to trudge
all over what is, after all, a Big Box store. Bv)=
Only paper ad we get is Food Lion but I can go on line for Wegman's, Lowe's Lidl, Aldi..............
was housebound on doctor's say so. If one is not a Perks Plus
member the minimum for free delivery is U$100.
It's something to consider, thought about it during the covid shut
downs but Steve went out (with a detailed list) about once a week. He still shops solo from time to time when I either don't want to go or
he's out otherwise and swings into (usually Wegman's) to pick something up.
Back in the day nearly all neighbourhood groceries had delivery
service.
I remember the locally owned grocery store having delivery service but
not the 2 chain stores. We did have a local chicken farmer who sold/delivered eggs weekly plus a milk man that stopped by twice a
week.
Besides the "funny" leader there tended to be a lot of bullies who needed
taking down a peg (or two). My folks sent me to the local BSA summer camp
a Lake Springfield, Camp Illiniwek, where we slept in big, more-or-less
permanent tipi deals. That summer was in the middle of a drought and the
lake was reduced to a small strean a 12 year old could step across easily.
Our troop seemed to be bully free, which was good. The tents at our
camp were old army surplus with (likely) surplus cots and pallets for
floors.
I learned, early on, that my Granddad was right. "Defend yourself. With a club if he's much bigger. But, defend yourself." Bullies do get the point if it's forcefully applied.
As it happened across the part of the lake where our boy's camp wasthere
were Camp Widgiwagen (Girl Scouts) and Camp Star of the Sea (Baptist
Church).
Unfortunately, our camp was in the middle of nowhere with no "girl"interest
camps around anywhere. I wasn't that interested in them yet anyway.
About the time I got very interested in girls was when I lost
in participating in Boy Scouts. ;)
I, OTOH, was interested in girls from before I was a Cub Sprout. My
sister's friends were very friendly. Bv)=
I see the B.S.A. has changed its name to "Scouting America" Which is a usurpation since the Boy Scouts were invented by Robert Baden-Powell in Merrie Olde England as the Boy Scouts Association in 1908.
Today is the anniversary of the first time bottle Co'Cola was sold in 1886.
I see the B.S.A. has changed its name to "Scouting America" Which is a
usurpation since the Boy Scouts were invented by Robert Baden-Powell in
Merrie Olde England as the Boy Scouts Association in 1908.
I saw that. That is sad, really.
Sounds basically the same as mine. We got ours at a Kitchenware
Collections (outlet mall kitchen store) before they went out of
business.
I got mine at Justco. It's sort of the 'JCPENNY/SEARS' of Japan.
Pretty nice places. Grocery store in basement. Appliances on 5th
story.
I see the B.S.A. has changed its name to "Scouting America" Which is a usurpation since the Boy Scouts were invented by Robert Baden-Powell in Merrie Olde England as the Boy Scouts Association in 1908.
I saw that. That is sad, really.
And I learned last night at my "Computer Olde Tymers" monthly dinner get-together that the Boy Sprouts have been letting girls join for some
time. My mind flashed instantly to what I used to get up to at that age
and wondered how they are going to keep a damper of fraternising and the inevitable results of unprotected fraternisation.
Today is the anniversary of the first time bottle Co'Cola was sold in 1886.
I am more of a Double Cola / Ski man myself. ;)
That has to be a "regional" like my local "Whistle" soda(s) used to
was. I've seen Double Cola and Ale-8 in Lexington, KY. Actually drank
some Ale-8 ... which has more caffeine than Mount & Do from Pepsi.
Made the hair on the back of my neck march in lockstep.
Dad was a city boy, raised in North Tonawanda, NY. He was active with kids, camping was the cheapest way to go (true) for vacations, tho we didn't start travelling until the youngest was around 7.
I knew a racer, Jim Hurtubise, from that Buffalo suburb. Met him when
the USAC cars raced at the state fairgrounds.
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
Dad was a city boy, raised in North Tonawanda, NY. He was active with kids, camping was the cheapest way to go (true) for vacations, tho we didn't start travelling until the youngest was around 7.
I knew a racer, Jim Hurtubise, from that Buffalo suburb. Met him when
the USAC cars raced at the state fairgrounds.
A fairly famous racer, at that!
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
I see the B.S.A. has changed its name to "Scouting America" Which is a usurpation since the Boy Scouts were invented by Robert Baden-Powell in Merrie Olde England as the Boy Scouts Association in 1908.
I saw that. That is sad, really.
And I learned last night at my "Computer Olde Tymers" monthly dinner get-together that the Boy Sprouts have been letting girls join for some time. My mind flashed instantly to what I used to get up to at that age
and wondered how they are going to keep a damper of fraternising and the inevitable results of unprotected fraternisation.
My potentially incorrect impression is that the girls they've been
letting in might not be interested in boys and may not be biological girls, so those results might not be as likely. That said, you do
wonder what are they thinking.
Today is the anniversary of the first time bottle Co'Cola was sold in 1886.
I am more of a Double Cola / Ski man myself. ;)
That has to be a "regional" like my local "Whistle" soda(s) used to
was. I've seen Double Cola and Ale-8 in Lexington, KY. Actually drank
some Ale-8 ... which has more caffeine than Mount & Do from Pepsi.
Made the hair on the back of my neck march in lockstep.
Ale-8 actually has less than either of those Pepsi products, but it
also has ginger which supposedly enhances the effects of the caffeine. That is another favorite of mine. Double Cola and Ski are somewhat regional. You are not too far north of one of those "regional" areas. Excel Bottling is somewhere in Southern Illiois -- Breese, I think.
Other hotspots include Evansville, IN; South Central Ohio; and South Central/Western Kentucky.
Coke pretty much ran Double Cola out of its former Kentucky region,
when they bought out Greensburg Bottling, but Ski is still around (and
is now distributed locally by Ale-8-One).
Whether a box-bodied truck or a bicycle with a large basket. My granny used it a lot in Carlinville.
The grocery store that delivered had a panel truck.
Hy-Vee and Humphrey's use largish Ford Transit 350 delivery vans and Hy-Vee also uses Doordash and Instacart contractors.
8<----- CHOP ----->8
Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.
Mark Lewis from NC? We point off of Marc Lewis, IIRC now in Huntsville, AL.
Didn't know there were two. I'm replying in this packet via his SESTAR BBS.
Where is he out of? Maybe we have 3 Mark(c) Lewis's?
The M. Lewis I'm referencing is a big hub for Phydeaux mail and
sometimes uses the nick-name "Waldo Kitty". As to his physical
location - somewhere in the American Southeast.
I only did Boy Sprouts for a couple years since one of the leaders
made me nervous (today I'd say "He set my gay-dar off") and later made headlines in the local daily paper. But, I did my share (and then
I've read about them and wondered about some I've known.
This clown was ucky the law locked him up. There were a couple irate fathers who would have cheerfully wreaked havoc on him.
weater, and rolling uot my sleeping bag.
Easier (and generally safer) for a guy to do than a girl.
Oh, I dunno. If you go by stereotypes - then yes, you're right. But
I've known - and dated - some women/girls who could hold their own against
nearly anyone wanting to cause them problems.
Dad was a city boy, raised in North Tonawanda, NY. He was active with kids, camping was the cheapest way to go (true) for vacations, tho we didn't start travelling until the youngest was around 7.
I knew a racer, Jim Hurtubise, from that Buffalo suburb. Met him when
the USAC cars raced at the state fairgrounds.
I split the difference between town and country. My grandparents had
the 800+ acres family farm originally deeded to an ancestore for
services in the Revolutionary War as a "section" (640 acres). And they
Nice that you've got the back story for it. Does it still raise the
crops it did initially or have they changed as the country got more
urban?
Don't know for sure. My grandmother was deeding the property to my
mother in parcels that let them avoid paying taxes on the
transferrence and would let them avoid inheritance tax. Them mom predeceased her and Grndmother sold the whole thing. Up until then I
had entertained the idea of becoming a "gentleman farmer" when the
land passed to me. Ah well.
I doubt that the current owmers farm it as my grandfather and his
tennants did - with crop rotation, companion plantings and a small livestock part. I'd wager good money that their crops are corn and soybeans. And that the sorghum, oats, barley, alfalfa, clover, etc.
are but distant memories.
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
It's easier for me to parse an advertisement/listing than to trudge
all over what is, after all, a Big Box store. Bv)=
Only paper ad we get is Food Lion but I can go on line for Wegman's, Lowe's Lidl, Aldi..............
Our local daily rag (I can no longer, in good conscience, call it a
NEWS- paper) mails a selection of grocery store ads dollar store and coupons every week. But my main source of grocery deals is the e-mails from the local stores with which I do business.
Back in the day nearly all neighbourhood groceries had delivery
service.
I remember the locally owned grocery store having delivery service but
not the 2 chain stores. We did have a local chicken farmer who sold/delivered eggs weekly plus a milk man that stopped by twice a
week.
We used to get milk deliveries from a local dairy .... but that was 60
or more years ago when milk was still in glass bottles. I see that the last delivering dairy in Illinois (Oberweis) has filed for bankruptcy
and laid off a couple hundred workers. Sad.
But I see that Dutch Farms (cheese makers) is working on buying the
wreck and reviving it. They also sell pre-made stuff in the take it
and bake it category. My local Ruler Foods (Korger) and County Market carry the cheese and the frozen entrees. I've tried their Chicken
Cordon Bleu and it's OK. But, I still prefer mine. Bv)=
The night I met "Herc" Parlelli Jones, Roger Ward and A.J. Foyt were
there as well. And local lad, Jerry Russel, showed them how it's done.
After the festivities I sat at the table with the travellers (less Roger Ward) and had a beer or three. Godfrey Daniel - that was 60 years ago or more. Yikes.
I dunno if Tony Foyt actually did this or not. But it's how I got it
from Allrecipes.
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
Title: Grilled Chocolate Sandwich
Categories: Five, Chocolate, Breads, Desserts
Yield: 1 Serving
My friend, Laszlo, who has been a scout leader for a few years is of
the impression that it will be one big "rainbow connection" with straight, gay, bi, transexual, ambisexual, etx. all under the same tent. I wouldn't want to supervise that varied a bunch who are in the learning and trying
new stuff phase of growing up.
regional. You are not too far north of one of those "regional" areas. Excel Bottling is somewhere in Southern Illiois -- Breese, I think. Other hotspots include Evansville, IN; South Central Ohio; and South Central/Western Kentucky.
Breese is in the St. Louis Metro-East area - so, 8 or so miles from me.
Coke pretty much ran Double Cola out of its former Kentucky region,
when they bought out Greensburg Bottling, but Ski is still around (and is now distributed locally by Ale-8-One).
Ski, IIRC, is a lemon-ginger product and similar to Ale-8. Hmmmmmm.
I wish there was a local presence of Cheer wine (cherry) soda. I first
met it in North Carolina where it's a regional favourite.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
Whether a box-bodied truck or a bicycle with a large basket. My granny used it a lot in Carlinville.
The grocery store that delivered had a panel truck.
Hy-Vee and Humphrey's use largish Ford Transit 350 delivery vans and Hy-Vee also uses Doordash and Instacart contractors.
As long as things get delivered, all's well and good.
8<----- CHOP ----->8
Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.
Mark Lewis from NC? We point off of Marc Lewis, IIRC now in Huntsville, AL.
Didn't know there were two. I'm replying in this packet via his SESTAR BBS.
Where is he out of? Maybe we have 3 Mark(c) Lewis's?
The M. Lewis I'm referencing is a big hub for Phydeaux mail and
sometimes uses the nick-name "Waldo Kitty". As to his physical
location - somewhere in the American Southeast.
I've no idea, and we're operating off hot spots and campground networks for a while longer. Went in to see Steve's mom both yesterday and
today, also saw his brother yesterday & we all went out for Italian
food. I ordered a half serving of ravioli, got 2 big ones. Steve's mom used to cut hers using a tuna can, these were bigger than that. With
the salad, I ate one, had the other for supper. Steve had a nice
looking pizza, ate half, had the rest for supper. We had beef on 'weck (kimmelweck rolls) for lunch, again I brought half home and reheated it for supper. Travelling tomorrow so not sure what meals will be.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
I only did Boy Sprouts for a couple years since one of the leaders
made me nervous (today I'd say "He set my gay-dar off") and later made headlines in the local daily paper. But, I did my share (and then
I've read about them and wondered about some I've known.
This clown was lucky the law locked him up. There were a couple
irate fathers who would have cheerfully wreaked havoc on him.
Not to mention mothers. (G)
weater, and rolling uot my sleeping bag.
Easier (and generally safer) for a guy to do than a girl.
Oh, I dunno. If you go by stereotypes - then yes, you're right. But
I've known - and dated - some women/girls who could hold their own against nearly anyone wanting to cause them problems.
Yes, but overall, girls aren't as tough as guys. I've met a few tough girls/women in my life, also some not so tough boys/men.
I doubt that the current owmers farm it as my grandfather and his
tennants did - with crop rotation, companion plantings and a small livestock part. I'd wager good money that their crops are corn and soybeans. And that the sorghum, oats, barley, alfalfa, clover, etc.
are but distant memories.
Still, nice to know it's still a working farm. Would you, if interested
be able to buy a couple of acres on the "back 40" and do a bit of crop raising?
We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.
It's easier for me to parse an advertisement/listing than to trudge
all over what is, after all, a Big Box store. Bv)=
Only paper ad we get is Food Lion but I can go on line for Wegman's, Lowe's Lidl, Aldi..............
Our local daily rag (I can no longer, in good conscience, call it a
NEWS- paper) mails a selection of grocery store ads dollar store and coupons every week. But my main source of grocery deals is the e-mails from the local stores with which I do business.
Wegman's sends out e-mails, probably the others would if I wanted to
get on their lists. I'll usually look over in store specials and if
we've got the store's card, consider them/hhow well they'll fit (or
not) with what I've sort of planned out for upcoming meals.
Back in the day nearly all neighbourhood groceries had delivery
service.
I remember the locally owned grocery store having delivery service but
not the 2 chain stores. We did have a local chicken farmer who sold/delivered eggs weekly plus a milk man that stopped by twice a
week.
We used to get milk deliveries from a local dairy .... but that was 60
or more years ago when milk was still in glass bottles. I see that the last delivering dairy in Illinois (Oberweis) has filed for bankruptcy
and laid off a couple hundred workers. Sad.
But I see that Dutch Farms (cheese makers) is working on buying the
wreck and reviving it. They also sell pre-made stuff in the take it
and bake it category. My local Ruler Foods (Korger) and County Market carry the cheese and the frozen entrees. I've tried their Chicken
Cordon Bleu and it's OK. But, I still prefer mine. Bv)=
We're going to be in an Amish region for the next week; Steve was
noticing all the cheese places when he checked out the area on line earlier today.
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
The night I met "Herc" Parlelli Jones, Roger Ward and A.J. Foyt were
there as well. And local lad, Jerry Russel, showed them how it's done.
After the festivities I sat at the table with the travellers (less Roger Ward) and had a beer or three. Godfrey Daniel - that was 60 years ago or more. Yikes.
Wow! That was quite the cast.
I dunno if Tony Foyt actually did this or not. But it's how I got it
from Allrecipes.
MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
Title: Grilled Chocolate Sandwich
Categories: Five, Chocolate, Breads, Desserts
Yield: 1 Serving
I am saving this one. ;)
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
My friend, Laszlo, who has been a scout leader for a few years is of
the impression that it will be one big "rainbow connection" with straight, gay, bi, transexual, ambisexual, etx. all under the same tent. I wouldn't want to supervise that varied a bunch who are in the learning and trying
new stuff phase of growing up.
Certainly not. Sounds like a recipe for trouble (no pun intended!).
regional. You are not too far north of one of those "regional" areas. Excel Bottling is somewhere in Southern Illiois -- Breese, I think. Other hotspots include Evansville, IN; South Central Ohio; and South Central/Western Kentucky.
Breese is in the St. Louis Metro-East area - so, 8 or so miles from me.
They bottle most of the glass bottled Ski and Double Cola that one
would find available in this area, now that Greensburg Bottling is no more.
Coke pretty much ran Double Cola out of its former Kentucky region, when they bought out Greensburg Bottling, but Ski is still around (and is now distributed locally by Ale-8-One).
Ski, IIRC, is a lemon-ginger product and similar to Ale-8. Hmmmmmm.
Ski is a citrus soda. Mountain Dew and Mello Yello are like it, except
it has (at least some) real lemon and orange juice in it, and it tastes better.
I wish there was a local presence of Cheer wine (cherry) soda. I first
met it in North Carolina where it's a regional favourite.
I can find that here locally, in glass bottles, at Kroger stores. It
is a little pricey here, though.
Fun fact: Cheerwine is based on a cola that was originally created in Maysville, Kentucky. The Cheerwine folks acquired the formula and
added the cherry flavoring, making it a hit.
Last time I was through the Carolinas I was also able to find Red Rock Cola, which is another treat.
Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-
I was gifted with a Bellermain Ravioli Maker/Press a few years ago on
my natal annioversary. It's still in the package and using it is down pretty far on my "round tuit" list.
The night I met "Herc" Parlelli Jones, Roger Ward and A.J. Foyt were
there as well. And local lad, Jerry Russel, showed them how it's done.
Wow! That was quite the cast.
The nice thing is that they were just folks. Not a prima donna in the
bunch. Sort of like STeve McQueen when he was racing motor sickles in
the Califunny desert. Or Paul Newman on race weekends. Lots of people
don't know that besides being a movie star he was a very accomplished
racer in real life.
When I was running the Hoosier Road Race program I often changed his
Goodyear tires for him (before the Goodyear truck showed up) and shared
table space at nearby restaurants.
Last time I was through the Carolinas I was also able to find Red Rock Cola, which is another treat.
My Cola preference is, and always has been, Coca Cola. Pepsi is waaaaay
too sweet. And the other Colas not as tasty/zippy - altho Royal Crown is
"the best of the rest" and will do in a pinch.
My current carbonated favourite is A&W/7-UP's zero sugar Dr. Pepper &
Cream Soda which is wildly popular in this area and hard to find in the stupormarkups.
Quoting Mike Powell to Dave Drum <=-
I looked for Dr. Pepper Cream Soda once before and could not find it
here, either. Lots of stuff like that gets advertised but never shows
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
Last time I was through the Carolinas I was also able to find Red Rock Cola, which is another treat.
My Cola preference is, and always has been, Coca Cola. Pepsi is waaaaay
too sweet. And the other Colas not as tasty/zippy - altho Royal Crown is "the best of the rest" and will do in a pinch.
I can still remember when it was "the big three" and RC was my favorite
of those. Still is. IMHO, the Coke vs. Pepsi wars were in part to do away with most competition like RC. Sort of like how GM and Ford had their war and did in most of the competition back in the 1950s/60s.
My current carbonated favourite is A&W/7-UP's zero sugar Dr. Pepper &
Cream Soda which is wildly popular in this area and hard to find in the stupormarkups.
I looked for Dr. Pepper Cream Soda once before and could not find it
here, either. Lots of stuff like that gets advertised but never shows
up here.
Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-
I was gifted with a Bellermain Ravioli Maker/Press a few years ago on
my natal annioversary. It's still in the package and using it is down pretty far on my "round tuit" list.
I got a very nice pasta machine with a Ravioli maker attachment. I
tried it once but being gluten free it made more of a mess then
anything. I've since put it back on the hidden shelf and I made it by hand again.
The only one I make regular is Pirogie (Spell checker can't even come close to helping sorry).
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
The night I met "Herc" Parlelli Jones, Roger Ward and A.J. Foyt were there as well. And local lad, Jerry Russel, showed them how it's done.
Wow! That was quite the cast.
The nice thing is that they were just folks. Not a prima donna in the
bunch. Sort of like STeve McQueen when he was racing motor sickles in
the Califunny desert. Or Paul Newman on race weekends. Lots of people
don't know that besides being a movie star he was a very accomplished
racer in real life.
When I was running the Hoosier Road Race program I often changed his Goodyear tires for him (before the Goodyear truck showed up) and shared table space at nearby restaurants.
A lot of the racers coming up back then started on the local tracks and were more down to earth than some of the prima donna "road racers"
today. I was never around Paul Newman so I am glad to hear it was that
way also.
I've got a local store that stocks Mexican Coke and Kosher For Passover
Coke - which are made with real sugar not HFCS. And there IS a difference
in taste - no matter that Co'Cola bigwigs pooh-pooh that fact.
Cabbage stomper eh? Sounds intriguing!
Me, making 'Company Chicken' in the crockpot tomorrow. Tonight is a 'pupu' night of various leftovers.
Hy-Vee and Humphrey's use largish Ford Transit 350 delivery vans and Hy-Vee also uses Doordash and Instacart contractors.
As long as things get delivered, all's well and good.
Except when I "senior momented" something essential and have to go out anyway and get it. Bv(=
the salad, I ate one, had the other for supper. Steve had a nice
looking pizza, ate half, had the rest for supper. We had beef on 'weck (kimmelweck rolls) for lunch, again I brought half home and reheated it for supper. Travelling tomorrow so not sure what meals will be.
I was gifted with a Bellermain Ravioli Maker/Press a few years ago on
my natal annioversary. It's still in the package and using it is down pretty far on my "round tuit" list.
I do like stuffed pasta, however. Ravioli, pelmeni, varenki, etc.
This is a favourite .... I break down the bag of frozen ravioli into
Dave sized portions and sucky-bag them for future reference.
Title: St. Louis Toasted Ravioli
Categories: Pasta, Cheese, Sauces
Yield: 12 Servings
weater, and rolling uot my sleeping bag.
Easier (and generally safer) for a guy to do than a girl.
Oh, I dunno. If you go by stereotypes - then yes, you're right. But
I've known - and dated - some women/girls who could hold their own against nearly anyone wanting to cause them problems.
Yes, but overall, girls aren't as tough as guys. I've met a few tough girls/women in my life, also some not so tough boys/men.
It doesn't take all kinds, There simply are all kinds. Women, on the whole, are tougher and more resilient than guys.
8<----- EDIT ----->8
Still, nice to know it's still a working farm. Would you, if interested
be able to buy a couple of acres on the "back 40" and do a bit of crop raising?
Probably not right there - but, surely near by. I had, at one time a
wish to buy the woods surrounding the family cemetery and build my retirement home there. At 82 I fear the time has passed and that isn't likely to happen. Even if I hit the Powerball lottery.
I remember the locally owned grocery store having delivery service but
not the 2 chain stores. We did have a local chicken farmer who sold/delivered eggs weekly plus a milk man that stopped by twice a
week.
We used to get milk deliveries from a local dairy .... but that was 60
or more years ago when milk was still in glass bottles. I see that the last delivering dairy in Illinois (Oberweis) has filed for bankruptcy
and laid off a couple hundred workers. Sad.
But I see that Dutch Farms (cheese makers) is working on buying theMarket DD> carry the cheese and the frozen entrees. I've tried their
wreck and reviving it. They also sell pre-made stuff in the take it
and bake it category. My local Ruler Foods (Korger) and County
We're going to be in an Amish region for the next week; Steve was
noticing all the cheese places when he checked out the area on line earlier today.
It took me some time before I realiksed that Amish and Pennsylvania
Dutch were nearly identical cuisines. Bv)=
Title: Amish Chicken Corn Soup
Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Pasta
Yield: 12 servings
Quoting Dave Drum to Shawn Highfield <=-
It "pierogi" .... an Eastern European (Polish) filled dumpling similar
to ravioli (from Italy) or Varenkii (from Russia).
I've nt had to muck about with GF doughs - but the ravioli/pierogi
doughs I have recipes for seem pretty straightf orward. I've watched
Molto Mario do it enough times on TVFN I could likely tackle it myself
if I had a studio crew to clean up the inevitable messes. Bv)=
Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-
I've got a local store that stocks Mexican Coke and Kosher For Passover
Coke - which are made with real sugar not HFCS. And there IS a difference
in taste - no matter that Co'Cola bigwigs pooh-pooh that fact.
No doubt there is, and not just with Coke. The ones with real sugar almost always taste better.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
the salad, I ate one, had the other for supper. Steve had a nice
looking pizza, ate half, had the rest for supper. We had beef on 'weck (kimmelweck rolls) for lunch, again I brought half home and reheated it for supper. Travelling tomorrow so not sure what meals will be.
I was gifted with a Bellermain Ravioli Maker/Press a few years ago on
my natal annioversary. It's still in the package and using it is down pretty far on my "round tuit" list.
Sounds like it would be a fun thing to experiment with. We have a
simple mould you drape a pasta sheet over, then roll it to fill the dimples, add the filling and drop another sheet of pasta over that. A
bit of a fuss but makes pasta much smaller than the tuna can cutters so you can eat more "pies". (G)
I do like stuffed pasta, however. Ravioli, pelmeni, varenki, etc.
This is a favourite .... I break down the bag of frozen ravioli into
Dave sized portions and sucky-bag them for future reference.
Title: St. Louis Toasted Ravioli
Categories: Pasta, Cheese, Sauces
Yield: 12 Servings
Looks yummy! I've eaten it from time to time but not yet tried making
it. Maybe this will give me the incentive to try doing so...but using
my own marinara sauce recipe an home made Italian style whole wheat
bread crumbs.
Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-
weater, and rolling uot my sleeping bag.
Easier (and generally safer) for a guy to do than a girl.
Oh, I dunno. If you go by stereotypes - then yes, you're right. But
I've known - and dated - some women/girls who could hold their own against nearly anyone wanting to cause them problems.
Yes, but overall, girls aren't as tough as guys. I've met a few tough girls/women in my life, also some not so tough boys/men.
It doesn't take all kinds, There simply are all kinds. Women, on the whole, are tougher and more resilient than guys.
Sadly tho, most of us don't have the body strength to fight off
trouble. I do have a couple of other ways to fight off trouble tho. (G)
8<----- EDIT ----->8
Still, nice to know it's still a working farm. Would you, if interested
be able to buy a couple of acres on the "back 40" and do a bit of crop raising?
Probably not right there - but, surely near by. I had, at one time a
wish to buy the woods surrounding the family cemetery and build my retirement home there. At 82 I fear the time has passed and that isn't likely to happen. Even if I hit the Powerball lottery.
Sigh! We've debated moving out west--closer to daughters and grandkids
but the the longer we stay in NC, the less likely I think we'll do it. We're tied to the east coast for now, still have one living parent.
Steve also likes the medical care we're able to get here between the VA and all the other providers we (I) see.
I remember the locally owned grocery store having delivery service but
not the 2 chain stores. We did have a local chicken farmer who sold/delivered eggs weekly plus a milk man that stopped by twice a
week.
We used to get milk deliveries from a local dairy .... but that was 60
or more years ago when milk was still in glass bottles. I see that the last delivering dairy in Illinois (Oberweis) has filed for bankruptcy
and laid off a couple hundred workers. Sad.
Sigh! We got the milk in glass bottles until our family grew to 5 kids. Then the milk man suggested my folks buy 5 gallon boxes (milk was in a plastic bag, accessed by a hose about 12" long attached, with a stopper
at the other end) instead of so many bottles. Mom would decant milk
into a pitcher; I had to do it the first 3 years she was in summer
school. That was a pain, especially co-ordinating pinching off the hose when the pitcher was full and putting the plug into the hose. Had to
set the pitcher down without spilling any milk from the hose, then grab the stopper and get it in to the proper depth. Yet, at that, it was
easier than trying to open a #10 can on a wall mounted Swing Away can opener. (G)
But I see that Dutch Farms (cheese makers) is working on buying the
wreck and reviving it. They also sell pre-made stuff in the take it
and bake it category. My local Ruler Foods (Kroger) and County
Market carry the cheese and the frozen entrees. I've tried their
Chicken Cordon Bleu and it's OK. But, I still prefer mine. Bv)=
Good that hopefully it's being revived--teach another generation that
milk doesn't always come in cardboard cartons.
We're going to be in an Amish region for the next week; Steve was
noticing all the cheese places when he checked out the area on line earlier today.
It took me some time before I realised that Amish and Pennsylvania
Dutch were nearly identical cuisines. Bv)=
Because they are one and the same, Pennsylvania Dutch being the
umbrella term for the Amish, Mennonite and other sects of similar persuasion.
Title: Amish Chicken Corn Soup
Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Pasta
Yield: 12 servings
I'd enjoy it but Steve wouldn't because of the corn. We're very strict label readers now, even more so than before he was aware of the problem with corn.
I was gifted with a Bellermain Ravioli Maker/Press a few years ago on
my natal annioversary. It's still in the package and using it is down pretty far on my "round tuit" list.
Sounds like it would be a fun thing to experiment with. We have a
simple mould you drape a pasta sheet over, then roll it to fill the dimples, add the filling and drop another sheet of pasta over that. A
bit of a fuss but makes pasta much smaller than the tuna can cutters so you can eat more "pies". (G)
This is similar to that. You put a sheet of fresh pasta dough on the bottom and use a scoop to fill the cavities. Then a second sheet on
top and press down. Et voila' Raviole.
I do like stuffed pasta, however. Ravioli, pelmeni, varenki, etc.
This is a favourite .... I break down the bag of frozen ravioli into
Dave sized portions and sucky-bag them for future reference.
Title: St. Louis Toasted Ravioli
Categories: Pasta, Cheese, Sauces
Yield: 12 Servings
Looks yummy! I've eaten it from time to time but not yet tried making
it. Maybe this will give me the incentive to try doing so...but using
my own marinara sauce recipe an home made Italian style whole wheat
bread crumbs.
I've quit making my own sauce. I buy a decent quality jarred sauce and "tart it up" to my liking. When I was younger I used to do the
"all-day" marinara/gravy. Starting with fresh tomatoes. No longer.
Sadly tho, most of us don't have the body strength to fight off
trouble. I do have a couple of other ways to fight off trouble tho. (G)
Brute force generally doesn't win the day. Cleverness and subtlety can
go a long toward assuring a desiered outcome. Bv)=
8<----- EDIT ----->8
Still, nice to know it's still a working farm. Would you, if interested
be able to buy a couple of acres on the "back 40" and do a bit of crop raising?
Probably not right there - but, surely near by. I had, at one time a
wish to buy the woods surrounding the family cemetery and build my retirement home there. At 82 I fear the time has passed and that isn't likely to happen. Even if I hit the Powerball lottery.
Sigh! We've debated moving out west--closer to daughters and grandkids
but the the longer we stay in NC, the less likely I think we'll do it. We're tied to the east coast for now, still have one living parent.
Steve also likes the medical care we're able to get here between the VA and all the other providers we (I) see.
I know all about inertia and comfort zones. Bv)=
Sigh! We got the milk in glass bottles until our family grew to 5 kids. Then the milk man suggested my folks buy 5 gallon boxes (milk was in a plastic bag, accessed by a hose about 12" long attached, with a stopper
at the other end) instead of so many bottles. Mom would decant milk
the stopper and get it in to the proper depth. Yet, at that, it was
easier than trying to open a #10 can on a wall mounted Swing Away can opener. (G)
OY! That was the same size as they deliver to food service places to
put in their milk dispensers. We never got those. But we did get 1
gallon
cartons ... which were enough of a bear for kidlets to handle.
But I see that Dutch Farms (cheese makers) is working on buying theMarket carry the cheese and the frozen entrees. I've tried their DD>
wreck and reviving it. They also sell pre-made stuff in the take it
and bake it category. My local Ruler Foods (Kroger) and County DD>
Good that hopefully it's being revived--teach another generation that
milk doesn't always come in cardboard cartons.
We're going to be in an Amish region for the next week; Steve was
noticing all the cheese places when he checked out the area on line earlier today.
It took me some time before I realised that Amish and Pennsylvania
Dutch were nearly identical cuisines. Bv)=
Because they are one and the same, Pennsylvania Dutch being the
umbrella term for the Amish, Mennonite and other sects of similar persuasion.
Mennonite - Amish with a car.
I'd enjoy it but Steve wouldn't because of the corn. We're very strict label readers now, even more so than before he was aware of the problem with corn.
Sorry, I forget sometimes. I'm glad I'm not allergic to corn.
Bananananas are my only food allergy. Which is OK with me as I don't
care for them anyway. I inherited the allergy from my mother who was
also allergic to strawberries.
Thank providence that allergy missed me. I really likes me strawbs.
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