• National Anthem

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Fri Jan 10 20:11:57 2025
    I just wonder how the Star Spangled Banner would sound when sung in French ... Just as bad as in English?

    My sympathies for the people of Quebec... 8-)

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  • From Mortar M.@1:124/5016 to Ward Dossche on Sun Jan 12 13:35:12 2025
    Re: National Anthem
    By: Ward Dossche to All on Fri Jan 10 2025 20:11:57

    I just wonder how the Star Spangled Banner would sound when sung in French ... Just as bad as in English?

    I've listened to a number of national anthems from around the world, and IMO, the SSB is the most boring of the bunch...and I'm an American! My favorite is "O Canada". Back in the '70s-'80s, Windsor's channel 9 would show late movies at Midnight and then go off the air, preceeded by "O Canada", so I heard it quite often. My Next favorite is Russia's, "State Anthem of the Russian Federation"; there's a mouth full, but a great piece.
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  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Mortar M. on Sun Jan 12 23:08:38 2025
    Hello, Mortar!

    Sunday January 12 2025 13:35, from Mortar M. -> Ward Dossche:

    I've listened to a number of national anthems from around the world,
    and IMO, the SSB is the most boring of the bunch...and I'm an
    American! My favorite is "O Canada". Back in the '70s-'80s,
    Windsor's channel 9 would show late movies at Midnight and then go off
    the air, preceeded by "O Canada", so I heard it quite often.

    Do you have a preference for whether it's sung in English or French?

    My Next favorite is Russia's, "State Anthem of the Russian
    Federation"; there's a mouth full, but a great piece.

    Also, try comparing the national anthem of the USSR with the modern anthem of the Russian Federation. There's quite a difference!

    P.S. I lived in Quebec from 2009 to 2012 and picked up some Quebecois French. Native French speakers always laugh when I speak to them, though!

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mortar M. on Mon Jan 13 00:09:46 2025
    My Next favorite is Russia's, "State
    Anthem of the Russian Federation"; there's a mouth full, but a great
    piece.

    I concur ... Israel's also great ...

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Mortar M. on Sun Jan 12 21:14:00 2025
    Hello Mortar M.!

    I've listened to a number of national anthems from around the world, and IMO, the SSB is the most boring of the bunch...and I'm an American! My favorite is "O Canada". [...]

    Check out this recent episode of The Debaters if you can..

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thedebaters/jan-3-2025-canada-s- national-anthem-everything-happens-for-a-reason-1.7422200/ canada-has-the-best-national-anthem-extended-1.7422202

    Jon Steinberg and Ali Hassan sing different tunes when it comes
    to Canada's national anthem.


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  • From Mortar M.@1:124/5016 to Nil Alexandrov on Sun Jan 12 21:51:56 2025
    Re: National Anthem
    By: Nil Alexandrov to Mortar M. on Sun Jan 12 2025 23:08:38

    Do you have a preference for whether it's sung in English or French?

    I actually prefer the instrumental version

    P.S. I lived in Quebec from 2009 to 2012 and picked up some Quebecois French. Native French speakers always laugh when I speak to them, though!

    That would seem to jive with various things I've heard about Quebec being intolerant to non-French speaking people, even when it's their own countrymen.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MORTAR M. on Tue Jan 14 00:33:00 2025
    P.S. I lived in Quebec from 2009 to 2012 and picked up some Quebecois
    > > French. Native French speakers always laugh when I speak to them, though!

    That would seem to jive with various things I've heard about Quebec being int
    >rant to non-French speaking people, even when it's their own countrymen.

    I'm Canadian in spite of the possible tag line and it's a bit of a joke
    here how the French are against non-French speakers. We are (were?) pretty
    much forced to take French in school in the non-French provinces and I
    took it for 4 years. That doesn't do much for you in Quebec though since
    the French they teach us in School is 'Paris' French, not Quebecois French.

    I have a few French Canadian relatives so I know quite a bit of the slang
    and how to swear 'properly' so I maybe can fit in a bit better.

    As I understand it though the French people in France are almost as bad
    about non-French speakers so it may be cultural, although there they are
    not too crazy about Quebecois French either. I think to them it would be
    like Cockney English to the more Educated people in Britain.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Jan 14 09:04:00 2025
    As I understand it though the French people in France are almost as bad
    about non-French speakers so it may be cultural, although there they are
    not too crazy about Quebecois French either. I think to them it would be
    like Cockney English to the more Educated people in Britain.. B)

    That is the impression we are given of French people in France also. That said, I used to work with someone (RIP) who had visited France and who
    claimed that this impression is built from interactions with Parisians.
    They claimed that at least the French who live in the north of France are
    not nearly as smug when interacting with non-French/barely-French speakers.

    She found them to be quite friendly.

    Mike


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Wed Jan 15 01:08:28 2025
    They claimed that at least the French who live in the north of France are not nearly as smug when interacting with non-French/barely-French
    speakers.

    She found them to be quite friendly.

    Because it is the old remnant of a once County Flanders of which in Belgium West- and East-Flanders still remain.

    So they are generic Belgians ... meaning they love good beer, enjoy the chocolates and have no clue what a Belgian Waffle is ...

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  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Mortar M. on Wed Jan 15 07:35:28 2025
    Hello, Mortar!

    Sunday January 12 2025 21:51, from Mortar M. -> Nil Alexandrov:

    P.S. I lived in Quebec from 2009 to 2012 and picked up some
    Quebecois French. Native French speakers always laugh when I speak
    to them, though!

    That would seem to jive with various things I've heard about Quebec
    being intolerant to non-French speaking people, even when it's their
    own countrymen.

    That totally lines up with what I know about Quebec being pretty unfriendly to people who don't speak French - even if they're Canadian.

    I've had a similar experience in France. A lot of people there can speak English, but they just won't. It's weird because when French people visit the US, they usually speak English just fine.

    Quebec's got Bill 101 to protect the French language. When I was there on a work visa, my daughter went to a public English school in Montreal. But if we'd been immigrants, she would've had to go to a French school. Private English schools are crazy expensive, probably on purpose.

    I had some friends whose kids were in French schools, and I noticed something strange - at parent-teacher conferences, the teachers never spoke English. Only the principal would or could. It still blows my mind. Are they hiring teachers who don't know any English at all, or are they just told not to speak it? No idea.

    Best Regards, Nil
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  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Rob Mccart on Wed Jan 15 07:42:08 2025
    Hello, Rob!

    Tuesday January 14 2025 00:33, from Rob Mccart -> MORTAR M.:

    I'm Canadian in spite of the possible tag line and it's a bit of a
    joke here how the French are against non-French speakers. We are
    (were?) pretty much forced to take French in school in the non-French provinces and I took it for 4 years. That doesn't do much for you in Quebec though since the French they teach us in School is 'Paris'
    French, not Quebecois French.

    Quebec definitely has its own thing going on with their teachers. Outside Quebec, you'll probably come across some New Brunswick ones too. I can usually pick up on the NB accent - it's closer to QC French, but still different. Kind of like a knockoff Belgian French, if you know what I mean.

    At the same time, I've noticed that French teachers from France often head to Montreal or Quebec because it's so easy for them to find work there. It's an interesting mix, for sure.

    I have a few French Canadian relatives so I know quite a bit of the
    slang and how to swear 'properly' so I maybe can fit in a bit better.

    Young Quebecois tend to use the F-word a lot in their French, which honestly sounds pretty funny to me. I always stick to the Quebec-specific swearing though. What's amusing is that French people won't be offended by it, nor will they really understand it. Let me explain - coming from other languages, swearing usually revolves around things like anatomy or intercourse, right? But in Quebec, their swearing is all about calling out the church inventory. Seriously!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Wed Jan 15 09:11:00 2025
    She found them to be quite friendly.

    Because it is the old remnant of a once County Flanders of which in Belgium West- and East-Flanders still remain.

    So they are generic Belgians ... meaning they love good beer, enjoy the chocolates and have no clue what a Belgian Waffle is ...

    That might be. IIRC, she may have been visiting farther west than there,
    i.e. Normandy. Either way, it sounds like the people she encountered were equally as friendly.

    Mike


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Thu Jan 16 00:54:59 2025
    That might be. IIRC, she may have been visiting farther west than there, i.e. Normandy. Either way, it sounds like the people she encountered
    were equally as friendly.

    You undoubtedly have idiots as well as friendly people all over the galaxy.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Jan 16 00:45:00 2025
    I used to work with someone (RIP) who had visited France and who
    >claimed that this impression is built from interactions with Parisians.
    >They claimed that at least the French who live in the north of France are
    >not nearly as smug when interacting with non-French/barely-French speakers. MP>She found them to be quite friendly.

    Yes, there seems to be a lot of arrogance built into Paris where other
    areas may be more interested in tourist dollars than that. Plus it's
    likely worse for Americans than Canadians or others since the French
    took a lot of grief over things that went on in WW2 which I think the
    Americans harped on about more than most, and longer.

    "You can put your arms down, the war is over.."
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to NIL ALEXANDROV on Thu Jan 16 01:00:00 2025
    coming from other languages, swearing usually
    >revolves around things like anatomy or intercourse, right? But in Quebec, the
    >swearing is all about calling out the church inventory. Seriously!

    Oh, yes.. Been there.. Tabernac everything.. B)

    .. although 'Eat Crap' and such can work it's way in there..

    I'd have to think about it. My sister-in-law is actually French from Quebec
    but has lived in Ontario for 50 years. Obviously she is fluent in English
    but even after all this time she still has a pretty strong French accent.

    As far as protecting their language in Quebec, there is some merit to that
    as everyone would slowly just use English more and more since it is the language of 'money' and known by more from other countries as a second
    language than any other language I'd think. Some French would have survived
    as a cultural thing but it would probably be more like New Orleans is..

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rob Mccart on Thu Jan 16 15:08:12 2025
    ... since the French
    took a lot of grief over things that went on in WW2 which I think the Americans harped on about more than most, and longer.

    You are oh so right..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Thu Jan 16 09:12:00 2025
    That might be. IIRC, she may have been visiting farther west than there, i.e. Normandy. Either way, it sounds like the people she encountered were equally as friendly.

    You undoubtedly have idiots as well as friendly people all over the galaxy.

    Oh, no doubt about that! :D

    Mike


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Jan 16 09:15:00 2025
    Yes, there seems to be a lot of arrogance built into Paris where other
    areas may be more interested in tourist dollars than that. Plus it's
    likely worse for Americans than Canadians or others since the French
    took a lot of grief over things that went on in WW2 which I think the Americans harped on about more than most, and longer.

    "You can put your arms down, the war is over.."

    When I was in Canada several years ago, I met a couple from near Toronto.
    We were discussing travel and one of them mentioned that they'd heard it
    was a good idea to wear things with "Canadian markings" while traveling in Europe.

    I guess that explains it. If I ever travel to Europe, I might also
    identify as Canadian. :D

    Mike


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Jan 18 00:48:00 2025
    When I was in Canada several years ago, I met a couple from near Toronto.
    >We were discussing travel and one of them mentioned that they'd heard it
    >was a good idea to wear things with "Canadian markings" while traveling in
    >Europe.

    I guess that explains it. If I ever travel to Europe, I might also
    >identify as Canadian. :D

    I almost mentioned that last night. A Lot of 'lower end' American tourists
    like back packers across Europe staying in Hostels and such have a
    Canadian Flag patch on their back packs or sewn the the shoulder of their
    coats because they are treated quite a bit better if people think they
    are Canadians.

    It makes one stop and think what most people expect when they meet
    Americans - the worst of them get the publicity like always - where,
    if they run into a Canadian, we are best known for apologizing if
    someone bumps into us, even if it wasn't our fault. Best not to make
    waves when it's not something important, but thinking that makes us
    weak is a mistake a lot of countries have made.

    I've spent extended time in the USA, 4 to 6 months at a time in earlier
    years and most people there are very nice. I also noticed that if I
    adopted any slight accent common to the area I'm in, I got treated a
    lot better and was less likely to be ripped off when buying something
    so maybe I should have had an American flag on my back pack.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sat Jan 18 10:07:00 2025
    I've spent extended time in the USA, 4 to 6 months at a time in earlier
    years and most people there are very nice. I also noticed that if I
    adopted any slight accent common to the area I'm in, I got treated a
    lot better and was less likely to be ripped off when buying something
    so maybe I should have had an American flag on my back pack.. B)

    This has not happened in a long time but, when I moved to the area I live
    in now (about 28 years ago), for several years people would sometimes ask
    me if I was from Canada.

    I don't know why. I was born in Kentucky, and so were my parents and
    theirs, and the city I live in now is in Kentucky.

    I would also be asked sometimes if I was from Alabama. I think that is
    because I prefer college football over basketball, which is the big sport
    in this state. Otherwise, I have no idea what Canada and Alabama would
    have in common that would cause people to guess one or the other. :D

    Mike

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 19 18:31:53 2025
    I almost mentioned that last night. A Lot of 'lower end' American
    tourists
    like back packers across Europe staying in Hostels and such have a
    Canadian Flag patch on their back packs or sewn the the shoulder of their coats because they are treated quite a bit better if people think they
    are Canadians.

    I'n not aware of that and I'm European.

    What gets us ticked a bit are phrases such as these ...

    "Well, we saved your asses in WW2"

    "Well, this is how we do it in the USA"

    "Football? No the proper name is soccer"

    ... you hardly ever get that from a Canadian, Aussie, New Zealander ...

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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 20 09:40:24 2025

    Hello Ward!

    19 Jan 25 18:31, you wrote to Rob Mccart:

    "Football? No the proper name is soccer"

    We call soccer "Soccer".

    Aussie Rules (AFL) is called football or footy. ;-)



    Stephen


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Stephen Walsh on Mon Jan 20 01:11:28 2025
    Hey Stephen,

    "Football? No the proper name is soccer"

    We call soccer "Soccer".

    It seems this website indicates differently ...

    https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/

    Aussie Rules (AFL) is called football or footy. ;-)

    Ah. You mean "American Football Australia Style" ... actually I like it.

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  • From Mortar M.@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Mon Jan 20 01:47:59 2025
    Re: National Anthem
    By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Sat Jan 18 2025 10:07:00

    I have no idea what Canada and Alabama would have in common that would cause people to guess one or the other. :D

    Maybe they thought you were from southern Canada. :)
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  • From Mortar M.@1:124/5016 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 20 01:51:43 2025
    Re: Re: National Anthem
    By: Ward Dossche to Rob Mccart on Sun Jan 19 2025 18:31:53

    ... you hardly ever get that from a Canadian, Aussie, New Zealander ...

    And don't forget we talk slow and loud to non-English folk so they'll understand better. ;)
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Jan 20 00:44:00 2025
    This has not happened in a long time but, when I moved to the area I live
    >in now (about 28 years ago), for several years people would sometimes ask
    >me if I was from Canada.

    I don't know why. I was born in Kentucky, and so were my parents and
    >theirs, and the city I live in now is in Kentucky.

    Being Kentucky for generations it wouldn't be an 'accent' issue so it's
    hard to know why they thought that.

    I know most Canadians travelling in the USA are often told to say they
    are from Ohio because they have the similar 'accent' (or lack there-of)
    that most Canadians have. We just have to make sure not to say things
    like Hydro instead of Power and to leave the U's out if we write
    anything down like Colour or Neighbour.. B)

    Re: the 'Accent'.. When most Americans think of a Canadian accent they
    think of what is mostly a Northern or Eastern accent actually used by
    very few of us. You expect us to say 'aboot' instead of about. For the
    most part the bulk of us have no true accent, we just say words exactly
    as they are spelled but, like in the USA, there are areas that do have
    a distinctly different accent and often use different words for things.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Mon Jan 20 08:57:00 2025
    Re: the 'Accent'.. When most Americans think of a Canadian accent they
    think of what is mostly a Northern or Eastern accent actually used by
    very few of us. You expect us to say 'aboot' instead of about. For the
    most part the bulk of us have no true accent, we just say words exactly
    as they are spelled but, like in the USA, there are areas that do have
    a distinctly different accent and often use different words for things.

    When I was in Canada, I noticed that most of the Canadians I ran into had
    no accent. They were sometimes difficult to understand, though, because by
    no accent I mean they also didn't accent any of their syllables. If they
    spoke fast, it was difficult to catch some words.

    This would have been in Ontario, mostly north of Lakes Superior and Huron.

    The few people I ran into that had accents either sounded like a Red Green character, sounded slighly British, or sounded slightly French. That was
    very few people.

    Mike

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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jan 21 11:42:26 2025

    Hello Ward!

    20 Jan 25 01:11, you wrote to me:

    "Football? No the proper name is soccer"
    We call soccer "Soccer".

    It seems this website indicates differently ...

    https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/

    The general aussie population calls soccer soccer and not football.

    Aussie Rules (AFL) is called football or footy. ;-)

    Ah. You mean "American Football Australia Style" ... actually I like
    it.

    At least our players don't cover up in panzy padding... #-/
    They can also kick the ball more often.... and a great distance!



    Stephen


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Stephen Walsh on Tue Jan 21 10:23:35 2025
    Stephen,

    The general aussie population calls soccer soccer and not football.

    So, when the world championships football are being held, do they call it the world championships soccer then?

    Ah. You mean "American Football Australia Style" ... actually I like SW>WD> it.

    At least our players don't cover up in panzy padding... #-/
    They can also kick the ball more often.... and a great distance!

    It also looks like they're practicing a sport, not trying to kill the adversary. I also saw women play it, that's cool.

    They also do not sprint 40 meters, need a drink of water and a breather.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Jan 22 01:13:00 2025
    Re: the 'Accent'.. When most Americans think of a Canadian accent they
    >> think of what is mostly a Northern or Eastern accent actually used by
    >> very few of us. You expect us to say 'aboot' instead of about. For the
    >> most part the bulk of us have no true accent, we just say words exactly
    >> as they are spelled but, like in the USA, there are areas that do have
    >> a distinctly different accent and often use different words for things.

    When I was in Canada, I noticed that most of the Canadians I ran into had
    >no accent. They were sometimes difficult to understand, though, because by
    >no accent I mean they also didn't accent any of their syllables. If they
    >spoke fast, it was difficult to catch some words.

    I was about to say you must have hit an area that speaks a little differently but then I thought, one thing I notice about a lot of American accents is
    that they draw out vowels so maybe you were hearing our usual 'accent' and
    to us (like for most people) we feel WE Don't have an accent.. B)

    This would have been in Ontario, mostly north of Lakes Superior and Huron.

    That covers a lot of area. I grew up in Southern Ontario never more than
    a few miles from the Great Lakes. The last 39 years I've been on the
    shores of Georgian Bay, which is on Lake Huron. We are considered Central Ontario although treated like Northern Ontario by most government plans
    that change with where you live since anyone much more than 150 miles
    North of Toronto have the same basic living problems, a long distance
    between places and much colder temperatures in Winter, so we tend to
    get small rebates on energy used to heat the house and such.

    The few people I ran into that had accents either sounded like a Red Green
    >character, sounded slighly British, or sounded slightly French. That was
    >very few people.

    Yes, a lot of Northern areas are like that, and probably similar things
    in Alberta, which is sort of the 'Texas' of Canada.. (Not the French part)

    This year for the first time in many years I am staying through the
    winter in my cabin on the bay. For many years because they needed my
    help in winter I stayed with my parents in Parry Sound over the winter
    but they have both passed now and I had to decide what to do. I spent
    winters here for 13 years quite a while back so I had a rough idea of
    what to expect but it's a bit more of a challenge now that I'm older.

    This place has poor insulation and, for now, I can't use anything but
    the inadequate electric heat (60 AMP service) after the insurance company banned my use of the old wood stove I put in 40 years ago. Last night the temperature dropped down to at least -25c (-13f) and pails of water I had
    on the floor in the kitchen froze quite a bit. It was down near 40f when
    I woke up. I turn off the bigger heater and use just a single 2000 watt baseboard heater at night. It's actually left set to about 68f but it
    can't manage on its own when it drops much below freezing. On several
    cold nights I've woken up to it being near 40f in here, and most mornings
    it starts off closer to 50f than 60f.

    There's no practical way to keep running water going so I have a 'box'
    about 200 feet out on the ice covering a hole I break through each day
    to get pails of water and I have an out house (privy?) for a toilet so
    I am 'roughing' it a little bit here..

    BTW, this is not a money thing. I could easily afford to rent a house
    or apartment for winter or even year round but I would go stir crazy I
    think living in town all the time. Here, I spend so much time and energy
    just staying alive that I don't have much time to get bored.. B)

    Oh, and I sort of read with amusement what some people there say when
    you get a little snow. 3 or 4 times this year withing a day or two I
    have gotten 20 to 30 inches of snow at a time, which can make trudging
    out to get water even more fun.. 6 to 8 inches of snow is nothing.. B)

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757 to Rob Mccart on Wed Jan 22 09:22:34 2025
    [...] so we tend to
    get small rebates on energy used to heat the house and such.

    The rebate is nice.

    This year for the first time in many years I am staying through the
    winter in my cabin on the bay. [...]

    [...] Last night the
    temperature dropped down to at least -25c (-13f) and pails of water I had
    on the floor in the kitchen froze quite a bit. It was down near 40f when
    I woke up. I turn off the bigger heater and use just a single 2000 watt baseboard heater at night. [...]

    Bancroft, Ontario

    Latitude 45.07° N | Longitude 77.88° W Past 24 Hour Conditions

    22 January 2025
    11:00 n/a -17 (-16.8) SSW 8
    10:00 n/a -18 (-18.3) calm
    09:00 n/a -26 (-25.9) calm
    08:00 n/a -29 (-29.1) calm
    07:00 n/a -29 (-28.7) calm
    06:00 n/a -28 (-28.0) calm
    05:00 n/a -27 (-27.2) calm
    04:00 n/a -26 (-26.0) calm
    03:00 n/a -26 (-25.9) calm
    02:00 n/a -26 (-25.9) calm
    01:00 n/a -25 (-24.7) SSW 2
    00:00 n/a -24 (-23.7) calm
    21 January 2025
    23:00 n/a -22 (-22.3) SSW 3
    22:00 n/a -20 (-20.1) SW 2
    21:00 n/a -18 (-18.4) SW 4
    20:00 n/a -21 (-21.4) SW 3
    19:00 n/a -21 (-20.6)

    It was a long stretch of <-20C last night. Brrr.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Thu Jan 23 10:24:00 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    When I was in Canada, I noticed that most of the Canadians I ran into had
    >no accent. They were sometimes difficult to understand, though, because by
    >no accent I mean they also didn't accent any of their syllables. If they
    >spoke fast, it was difficult to catch some words.

    I was about to say you must have hit an area that speaks a little differently but then I thought, one thing I notice about a lot of
    American accents is that they draw out vowels so maybe you were hearing our usual 'accent' and to us (like for most people) we feel WE Don't
    have an accent.. B)

    Quite possible. :D

    This would have been in Ontario, mostly north of Lakes Superior and Huron.

    That covers a lot of area. I grew up in Southern Ontario never more
    than a few miles from the Great Lakes. The last 39 years I've been on
    the shores of Georgian Bay, which is on Lake Huron. We are considered Central Ontario although treated like Northern Ontario by most
    government plans that change with where you live since anyone much more than 150 miles North of Toronto have the same basic living problems, a long distance between places and much colder temperatures in Winter, so
    we tend to get small rebates on energy used to heat the house and such.

    I had a discussion with someone who lives Jack Fish, ON. He owned the
    hotel I stayed at. He told me he got a letter from the government telling
    him he'd have to move to one of the big cities if he wanted to continue to receive his government healthcare.

    As his plan was to retire to Florida, he was not too concerned. ;) Still,
    as there is what seemed to be a decent sized town about 25km to the W of
    there, I was pretty surprised to hear about the letter. Terrace Bay looked
    big enough to have health facilities. Otherwise, you were pretty far away
    from Thunder Bay or Sault Ste Marie up there.

    That was my first impression of how the government treats folks who live farther north different than those who live near Toronto.

    I thought those areas of Lake Superior and Lake Huron were beautiful.

    The few people I ran into that had accents either sounded like a Red Green
    >character, sounded slighly British, or sounded slightly French. That was
    >very few people.

    Yes, a lot of Northern areas are like that, and probably similar things
    in Alberta, which is sort of the 'Texas' of Canada.. (Not the French
    part)

    LOL, I have heard that about Alberta before.

    This year for the first time in many years I am staying through the
    winter in my cabin on the bay. For many years because they needed my
    help in winter I stayed with my parents in Parry Sound over the winter
    but they have both passed now and I had to decide what to do. I spent winters here for 13 years quite a while back so I had a rough idea of
    what to expect but it's a bit more of a challenge now that I'm older.

    Sorry for your loss.

    This place has poor insulation and, for now, I can't use anything but
    the inadequate electric heat (60 AMP service) after the insurance
    company banned my use of the old wood stove I put in 40 years ago. Last night the temperature dropped down to at least -25c (-13f) and pails of water I had on the floor in the kitchen froze quite a bit. It was down near 40f when I woke up. I turn off the bigger heater and use just a single 2000 watt baseboard heater at night. It's actually left set to about 68f but it can't manage on its own when it drops much below freezing. On several cold nights I've woken up to it being near 40f in here, and most mornings it starts off closer to 50f than 60f.

    Wow, I actually prefer it a little cool so the air doesn't dry out so much,
    but 40F would require a lot of blankets! Any way to improve the insulation situation?

    There's no practical way to keep running water going so I have a 'box' about 200 feet out on the ice covering a hole I break through each day
    to get pails of water and I have an out house (privy?) for a toilet so
    I am 'roughing' it a little bit here..

    That is what most in this day and age would consider "roughing it" but
    would not have been so uncommon several years ago.

    BTW, this is not a money thing. I could easily afford to rent a house
    or apartment for winter or even year round but I would go stir crazy I think living in town all the time. Here, I spend so much time and
    energy just staying alive that I don't have much time to get bored..
    B)

    I can understand wanting to stay out of the city if you are not used to it.
    I can see why you'd not be bored, too. ;)

    Oh, and I sort of read with amusement what some people there say when
    you get a little snow. 3 or 4 times this year withing a day or two I
    have gotten 20 to 30 inches of snow at a time, which can make trudging
    out to get water even more fun.. 6 to 8 inches of snow is nothing.. B)

    Yeah, going through that I bet the stories of a few inches seem trivial.
    Here, that much snow isn't so bad but it is often accompanied by freezing
    rain which is what really gives us trouble.

    Mike

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Fri Jan 24 01:22:00 2025
    This year for the first time in many years I am staying through the
    >> winter in my cabin on the bay. [...]

    Last night the
    >> temperature dropped down to at least -25c (-13f) and pails of water I had
    >> on the floor in the kitchen froze quite a bit. It was down near 40f when
    >> I woke up. I turn off the bigger heater and use just a single 2000 watt
    >> baseboard heater at night. [...]

    Bancroft, Ontario

    22 January 2025
    >11:00 n/a -17 (-16.8) SSW 8
    >10:00 n/a -18 (-18.3) calm
    >09:00 n/a -26 (-25.9) calm
    >08:00 n/a -29 (-29.1) calm
    >07:00 n/a -29 (-28.7) calm
    >06:00 n/a -28 (-28.0) calm
    >05:00 n/a -27 (-27.2) calm
    >04:00 n/a -26 (-26.0) calm
    >03:00 n/a -26 (-25.9) calm
    >02:00 n/a -26 (-25.9) calm
    >01:00 n/a -25 (-24.7) SSW 2
    >00:00 n/a -24 (-23.7) calm
    >21 January 2025
    >23:00 n/a -22 (-22.3) SSW 3
    >22:00 n/a -20 (-20.1) SW 2
    >21:00 n/a -18 (-18.4) SW 4
    >20:00 n/a -21 (-21.4) SW 3
    >19:00 n/a -21 (-20.6)

    It was a long stretch of <-20C last night. Brrr.

    Yes, I think your temperatures there are close to what I get here, possibly even a little lower. Yesterday during the day wasn't down in the -20's, something like -14c, but with all my heaters going non-stop all day I never
    got the place above 17c (62f) due to the high winds. My place is not all
    that hard to heat when it's above -15c (5f) or so outside with the main
    heater running on and off as needed but I need some work sealing things
    up better when it gets windy. Vertical log cabin with siding on it and
    some insulation but more intended to handle cool days in spring and fall
    than the cold of winter.

    Vertical log is round logs split and the flats offset and nailed back
    together so it appears to be just vertical round logs with a narrow flat
    spot between them, but that design means that you have a floor to ceiling
    joint about every 6 inches and after 70 years or so things move and you
    tend to get some air leakage through the joints.

    Today was nice after yesterday, about -9c but dropping to -20c tonight.
    I spent a lot of time today shovelling about 400 feet of the paths I
    use to get around the property to get the snow depth down from 12 to 24
    inches depth to 3 or 4 inches to be easier to walk on. Imagine carrying
    2 full pails of water up hill through snow often up to your knees..

    You can tell I'm an older Canadian the way I jump between metric and
    the old system for measurments.. But I figure it helps our American
    friends reading this to follow it as well.. B)
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Fri Jan 24 19:51:24 2025

    I was born and raised in Louisville Kentucky.
    First time I heard myself talk when a Tape Recorder was played it surprised me when I heard the accent in my voice.

    Up to then I thought that I spoke as well as a new master on the national networks here in the USA.
    Ed
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Fri Jan 24 20:06:45 2025

    >> think of what is mostly a Northern or Eastern accent actually used by
    >> very few of us. You expect us to say 'aboot' instead of about. For the
    >> most part the bulk of us have no true accent, we just say words exactly
    >> as they are spelled but, like in the USA, there are areas that do have
    >> a distinctly different accent and often use different words for things.

    >no accent. They were sometimes difficult to understand, though, because by
    >no accent I mean they also didn't accent any of their syllables. If they
    >spoke fast, it was difficult to catch some words.

    I was about to say you must have hit an area that speaks a little differently but then I thought, one thing I notice about a lot of American accents is that they draw out vowels so maybe you were hearing our usual 'accent' and
    to us (like for most people) we feel WE Don't have an accent.. B)

    That covers a lot of area. I grew up in Southern Ontario never more than
    a few miles from the Great Lakes. The last 39 years I've been on the
    shores of Georgian Bay, which is on Lake Huron. We are considered Central Ontario although treated like Northern Ontario by most government plans
    that change with where you live since anyone much more than 150 miles
    North of Toronto have the same basic living problems, a long distance
    between places and much colder temperatures in Winter, so we tend to
    get small rebates on energy used to heat the house and such.

    >character, sounded slighly British, or sounded slightly French. That was
    >very few people.

    Yes, a lot of Northern areas are like that, and probably similar things
    in Alberta, which is sort of the 'Texas' of Canada.. (Not the French part)

    This year for the first time in many years I am staying through the
    winter in my cabin on the bay. For many years because they needed my
    help in winter I stayed with my parents in Parry Sound over the winter
    but they have both passed now and I had to decide what to do. I spent
    winters here for 13 years quite a while back so I had a rough idea of
    what to expect but it's a bit more of a challenge now that I'm older.

    This place has poor insulation and, for now, I can't use anything but
    the inadequate electric heat (60 AMP service) after the insurance company banned my use of the old wood stove I put in 40 years ago. Last night the temperature dropped down to at least -25c (-13f) and pails of water I had
    on the floor in the kitchen froze quite a bit. It was down near 40f when
    I woke up. I turn off the bigger heater and use just a single 2000 watt baseboard heater at night. It's actually left set to about 68f but it
    can't manage on its own when it drops much below freezing. On several
    cold nights I've woken up to it being near 40f in here, and most mornings
    it starts off closer to 50f than 60f.

    There's no practical way to keep running water going so I have a 'box'
    about 200 feet out on the ice covering a hole I break through each day
    to get pails of water and I have an out house (privy?) for a toilet so
    I am 'roughing' it a little bit here..

    BTW, this is not a money thing. I could easily afford to rent a house
    or apartment for winter or even year round but I would go stir crazy I
    think living in town all the time. Here, I spend so much time and energy
    just staying alive that I don't have much time to get bored.. B)

    Oh, and I sort of read with amusement what some people there say when
    you get a little snow. 3 or 4 times this year withing a day or two I
    have gotten 20 to 30 inches of snow at a time, which can make trudging
    out to get water even more fun.. 6 to 8 inches of snow is nothing.. B)

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * Celibacy is NOT hereditory


    Once I. visited a family near Buffalo and they took us to Niagara Falls Canada. I can't remember having trouble talking to workers in the Visitors Center .

    I have a Amateur Radio (Ham) license and once talked with a Canadian who said he was fixing frozen plumbing in his Summer home, this was in April.
    I think the Summer home was North of where he andhis family lived.

    Ed
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Fri Jan 24 20:08:49 2025
    MeA t to write news caster.
    Not new master that this phone believes that I meant
    Ed
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Jan 25 02:26:00 2025
    the shores of Georgian Bay, which is on Lake Huron. We are considered Central Ontario although treated like Northern Ontario by most
    government plans that change with where you live since anyone much more than 150 miles North of Toronto have the same basic living problems, a
    long distance between places and much colder temperatures in Winter, so
    we tend to get small rebates on energy used to heat the house and such.

    I had a discussion with someone who lives Jack Fish, ON. He owned the
    >hotel I stayed at. He told me he got a letter from the government telling
    >him he'd have to move to one of the big cities if he wanted to continue to
    >receive his government healthcare.

    Yes, Healthcare in small areas has always been a problem. It's not like
    you have to Live in the big cities, but you may have to travel there for
    any major health care issues, and some low population remote areas have
    only a Registered Nurse, and maybe not even that.

    I'm lucky in Parry Sound area since even though they have a tiny population (They claim under 7000) they have a fairly large reasonably well equipped hospital because they service a large rural area with about 25,000 residents plus in summer the vacationers add another 25,000+ people to the mix.

    I thought those areas of Lake Superior and Lake Huron were beautiful.

    Yes, I'm in what they call the 30,000 islands area so there are lots of
    small islands out on the water plus I actually live within the Georgian
    Bay Unesco Protected Biosphere which makes getting building permits tricky
    but they protect the area, like you can't get a new lot building permit
    unless you have 2 acres of land with about 330 feet of water frontage.
    I hate seeing some lakes where there's a cottage every 50 feet.
    The restrictions here do make it a lot more expensive to build though.
    You pay often over a $Million to buy a vacant lot to build on.

    night the temperature dropped down to at least -25c (-13f) and pails of water I had on the floor in the kitchen froze quite a bit. It was down
    near 40f when I woke up.

    Wow, I actually prefer it a little cool so the air doesn't dry out so much,
    >but 40F would require a lot of blankets! Any way to improve the insulation
    >situation?

    It would require redoing the siding and ripping out old insulation under
    the floors plus better windows and doors so you're looking at probably
    $40,000 to do a good job. I hesitate to spend that much since I may only
    be wintering here for a limited time, probably less than another 5 years. (Possibly never again the way things are going..) B)

    BTW, this is not a money thing. I could easily afford to rent a house
    or apartment for winter or even year round but I would go stir crazy I think living in town all the time.

    I can understand wanting to stay out of the city if you are not used to it.

    I have lived in apartments in big cities until I bought my first house
    (in the city) when I was 21. Then I was in there and in my next place for
    11 years and then, very briefly, bought an apartment building type Condo,
    where the rules drove me nuts and I ended up selling that within 6 weeks.

    I was changing to a much better job at that time (1986) but there was a
    delay and I decided to take the winter off. I took all the money from
    the Condo I sold and invested it and escaped to Florida for 6 months and discovered I was making more money on investments than it was costing me
    to live (cheaply) so I decided to take a little longer off.

    I'm starting to think I may not go back to work at all.. B)

    No, I've done self employed jobs over the years, things like computer
    repairs and writing commercial software and some property management
    and I usually managed to make enough money that I didn't have to touch investment income at all most years and without working very many hours..

    It's all good if you don't mind living in the woods and don't blow
    a lot of money on bad habits.. like smoking, drinking, going out
    to bars and restaurants.. Women.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sat Jan 25 10:20:00 2025
    Yes, Healthcare in small areas has always been a problem. It's not like
    you have to Live in the big cities, but you may have to travel there for
    any major health care issues, and some low population remote areas have
    only a Registered Nurse, and maybe not even that.

    Sounds sort of like the American Appalachian region until recently (and in
    some places probably still).

    Yes, I'm in what they call the 30,000 islands area so there are lots of
    small islands out on the water plus I actually live within the Georgian
    Bay Unesco Protected Biosphere which makes getting building permits tricky but they protect the area, like you can't get a new lot building permit unless you have 2 acres of land with about 330 feet of water frontage.
    I hate seeing some lakes where there's a cottage every 50 feet.
    The restrictions here do make it a lot more expensive to build though.
    You pay often over a $Million to buy a vacant lot to build on.

    That is pretty handy to be able to keep it from becoming like so many other areas with water frontage. Probably not so handy if/when you want to add something to your already built on land, though.

    Wow, I actually prefer it a little cool so the air doesn't dry out so much,
    but 40F would require a lot of blankets! Any way to improve the insulation
    situation?

    It would require redoing the siding and ripping out old insulation under
    the floors plus better windows and doors so you're looking at probably $40,000 to do a good job. I hesitate to spend that much since I may only
    be wintering here for a limited time, probably less than another 5 years. (Possibly never again the way things are going..) B)

    Yeah, where is that global warming when you need it. :D I would sure be discouraged from toughing it out for many winters if I suspected that they might turn out like this one has so far.

    I have lived in apartments in big cities until I bought my first house
    (in the city) when I was 21. Then I was in there and in my next place for
    11 years and then, very briefly, bought an apartment building type Condo, where the rules drove me nuts and I ended up selling that within 6 weeks.

    Some of the HOA stuff relatives have to put up with would drive me nuts.
    OTOH, the rules do sometimes come in handy when you have neighbors that
    have kids who collect beat up, non-running cars.

    I was changing to a much better job at that time (1986) but there was a
    delay and I decided to take the winter off. I took all the money from
    the Condo I sold and invested it and escaped to Florida for 6 months and discovered I was making more money on investments than it was costing me
    to live (cheaply) so I decided to take a little longer off.

    I'm starting to think I may not go back to work at all.. B)

    I wouldn't. :D I retired nearly 18 months ago for similar reasons. I was 100% vested by then and didn't really need the money any more.

    It's all good if you don't mind living in the woods and don't blow
    a lot of money on bad habits.. like smoking, drinking, going out
    to bars and restaurants.. Women.. B)

    That was another reason I could retire... I found the expensive vices were
    no longer that entertaining. ;)

    Mike

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Sat Jan 25 18:54:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    Yes, Healthcare in small areas has always been a problem. [...]

    I'm lucky in Parry Sound area since even though they have
    a tiny population (They claim under 7000) they have a
    fairly large reasonably well equipped hospital because
    they service a large rural area with about 25,000
    residents plus in summer the vacationers add another
    25,000+ people to the mix.

    What is your cellular coverage like? Can you call 911 if you
    need to?

    Yes, I'm in what they call the 30,000 islands area so
    there are lots of small islands out on the water plus I
    actually live within the Georgian Bay Unesco Protected
    Biosphere which makes getting building permits tricky but
    they protect the area, like you can't get a new lot
    building permit unless you have 2 acres of land with about
    330 feet of water frontage. I hate seeing some lakes where
    there's a cottage every 50 feet. The restrictions here do
    make it a lot more expensive to build though. You pay
    often over a $Million to buy a vacant lot to build on.

    I have a small 100 acre lot pretty much smack dab in the middle
    of the Bear Lake Peatland Conservatory, south of Magnetawan,
    east of Parry Sound. The family always referred to it as "the
    Parry Sound property".

    I would love to build something on it, but road access is next
    to zero.


    $40,000 to do a good job. I hesitate to spend that much
    since I may only be wintering here for a limited time,
    probably less than another 5 years. (Possibly never again
    the way things are going..) B)

    I'm surprised that you *are* wintering that way when you don't
    have to.


    BTW, this is not a money thing. I could easily afford to
    rent a house or apartment for winter or even year round
    but I would go stir crazy I think living in town all the
    time.

    Surely, there are people wanting to rent out their homes while
    they leave for the winter? I know several people house-sitting
    and pet-sitting people's country properties while the owners go
    to warmer climates, and the sitter gets paid for it!


    the Condo I sold and invested it and escaped to Florida
    [...]
    I'm starting to think I may not go back to work at all.. B)

    Nice to have that option!


    It's all good if you don't mind living in the woods and
    don't blow a lot of money on bad habits.. like smoking,
    drinking, going out to bars and restaurants.. Women..
    B)

    You've got great will power in all those categories! :D

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to ED VANCE on Sun Jan 26 01:01:00 2025
    I was born and raised in Louisville Kentucky.
    >First time I heard myself talk when a Tape Recorder was played it surprised m
    >when I heard the accent in my voice.

    Up to then I thought that I spoke as well as a news caster on the national
    >networks here in the USA.

    That's interesting.. They say that people often don't recognize their
    own voice from a recording but I assumed tha was more to do with tone.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to ED VANCE on Sun Jan 26 01:05:00 2025
    Once I. visited a family near Buffalo and they took us to Niagara Falls Canad
    >I can't remember having trouble talking to workers in the Visitors Center .

    For the most part minor differences in accents don't cause any problem, although there are some stronger ones that can be a challenge.

    Sort of off topic but that reminded me of a news story a while back where
    a student taking some sort of language studies in the UK had come for
    a vacation in Newfoundland, Canada. It has always been a bit more removed
    from the rest of the country and it's well known for a wide variety of
    accents in different areas, many that stay to themselves with little
    contact with others or any tourist activity.

    This student went to some remote village and found a really odd sounding accent, or dialect I suppose since it was the words used as well. They
    recorded people talking there and when they returned to University they
    showed it to their professor and he was quite amazed to find the odd
    dialect was actually near perfect English.. from about 300 years ago..

    I have a Amateur Radio (Ham) license and once talked with a Canadian who said
    >he was fixing frozen plumbing in his Summer home, this was in April.
    >I think the Summer home was North of where he andhis family lived.

    Up here I frequently get snow flurries and below freezing temps in
    April. I have to wait for the ice to break up to get my water system
    back in and, ironically, I used to figure on about April 10th I
    could take a chance on it, although I might get the odd freezing
    of the lines, usually with no damage.. back to 'ironically'..
    These days of Global Warming, it's often closer to May before I can
    get the water system back in.. This is my own water pump and a foot
    valve out in Georgian Bay sort of thing..

    When I was still working I lived in Brampton which is down about as
    far south as Toronto is and I recall once having fun trying to get
    to work because we got 8 inches of snow overnight.. On May 8th..

    Up where I am now we've occasionally had enough snow to build a small
    snow man on Thanksgiving.. which up here is on about October 13th..

    What was it Rhoda said? She moved to a colder city because she thought
    she would 'keep' better.. B)
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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 27 09:14:46 2025

    Hello Ward!

    21 Jan 25 10:23, you wrote to me:

    The general aussie population calls soccer soccer and not
    football.

    So, when the world championships football are being held, do they call
    it the world championships soccer then?

    Yes.

    Ah. You mean "American Football Australia Style" ... actually I
    like> it.

    At least our players don't cover up in panzy padding... #-/
    They can also kick the ball more often.... and a great distance!

    It also looks like they're practicing a sport, not trying to kill the adversary. I also saw women play it, that's cool.

    Yes, we now have a ten round AFLW season that's started after the grand final of the men's comp.
    It used to only have a few club teams, now it's the full 18 teams.

    They also do not sprint 40 meters, need a drink of water and a
    breather.

    A game comprises four quarters, which are made up of 20 minutes of actual game time.
    However, 'time-on' is added for any stoppages, such as injuries or throw-ins. This means each quarter typically lasts for 25 to 30 minutes.
    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.




    Stephen


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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 27 09:30:16 2025

    Hello Ward!

    21 Jan 25 10:23, you wrote to me:

    The general aussie population calls soccer soccer and not
    football.

    So, when the world championships football are being held, do they call
    it the world championships soccer then?

    Yes.

    Ah. You mean "American Football Australia Style" ... actually I
    like> it.

    At least our players don't cover up in panzy padding... #-/
    They can also kick the ball more often.... and a great distance!

    It also looks like they're practicing a sport, not trying to kill the adversary. I also saw women play it, that's cool.

    Yes, we now have a ten round AFLW season that's started after the grand final of the men's comp.
    Then four final rounds. It used to only have a few club teams, now it's the full 18 teams.

    They also do not sprint 40 meters, need a drink of water and a
    breather.

    A game comprises four quarters, which are made up of 20 minutes of actual game time.
    However, 'time-on' is added for any stoppages, such as injuries or throw-ins. This means each quarter typically lasts for 25 to 30 minutes.
    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.




    Stephen


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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 27 09:33:02 2025

    Hello Ward!

    21 Jan 25 10:23, you wrote to me:

    The general aussie population calls soccer soccer and not
    football.

    So, when the world championships football are being held, do they call
    it the world championships soccer then?

    Yes.

    Ah. You mean "American Football Australia Style" ... actually I
    like> it.

    At least our players don't cover up in panzy padding... #-/
    They can also kick the ball more often.... and a great distance!

    It also looks like they're practicing a sport, not trying to kill the adversary. I also saw women play it, that's cool.

    Yes, we now have a ten round AFLW season that's started after the grand final of the men's comp.
    Then four final rounds with the top 8 teams, then the last four, then the two in the grand final just like in
    the men's. It used to only have a few club teams, now it's the full 18 teams.

    They also do not sprint 40 meters, need a drink of water and a
    breather.

    A game comprises four quarters, which are made up of 20 minutes of actual game time.
    However, 'time-on' is added for any stoppages, such as injuries or throw-ins. This means each quarter typically lasts for 25 to 30 minutes.
    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.




    Stephen


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Jan 27 01:07:00 2025
    I'm in what they call the 30,000 islands area so there are lots of
    >> small islands out on the water plus I actually live within the Georgian
    >> Bay Unesco Protected Biosphere which makes getting building permits tricky
    >> but they protect the area, like you can't get a new lot building permit
    >> unless you have 2 acres of land with about 330 feet of water frontage.

    That is pretty handy to be able to keep it from becoming like so many other
    >areas with water frontage. Probably not so handy if/when you want to add
    >something to your already built on land, though.

    For the most part there are limits to square footage of buildings on the property but if you stay under that they are fairly flexible. That said
    the new rules say you can only have one 'housekeeping' cottage, that's
    with a kitchen and bathroom and maybe even just runnin water, and then
    you can have a 'bunky' for guests to sleep in without those things.

    But if you want to do anything that effects 'nature' you have a lot
    of hoops to go through.. cutting live trees, digging wells and putting
    in septic system is closely monitored and you can't touch the shoreline.
    You can't cut water weeds or bring in sand to make a beach.
    One neighbour across from me has 330 feet of frontage and when he wanted
    to put in a dock, they sent an inspector to check how 'vulnerable' the shoreline was there. In the end they found one spot 10 feet wide where
    they would allow a dock, nowhere else on his property.

    We are lucky here because even though we only have 1.25 acres, we are grandfathered in to have 3 housekeeping cottages allowed, but we are
    still restricted to square footage to a maximun total of all of them to
    around 2000 sq ft. Right now we are dealing with three 400 sq ft places.
    We also have 350 feet of frontage making up a somewhat protected bay and
    we have a sand beach in there too.

    To clarify the I and We comments, origially my brother, my sister and I
    jointly owned the property. Later my sister bought out my brother when
    he had some health and money issues and my share is 1/3 of the place.

    I hesitate to spend that much since I may only be wintering
    >> here for a limited time, probably less than another 5 years.
    >> (Possibly never again the way things are going..) B)

    Yeah, where is that global warming when you need it. :D I would sure be
    >discouraged from toughing it out for many winters if I suspected that they
    >might turn out like this one has so far.

    Yes, perfect timing. Probably the coldest winter so far in a decade and
    more snow than I've seen in the past 20 years this early. My weather
    app on the phone used words I've never seen them use before, they said
    I should expect a blizzard tomorrow. If a few of the storms we've gotten
    so far didn't qulify as that I hate to think what to expect..

    I have lived in apartments in big cities until I bought my first house
    >> (in the city) when I was 21. Then I was in there and in my next place for
    >> 11 years and then, very briefly, bought an apartment building type Condo,
    >> where the rules drove me nuts and I ended up selling that within 6 weeks.

    Some of the HOA stuff relatives have to put up with would drive me nuts.
    >OTOH, the rules do sometimes come in handy when you have neighbors that
    >have kids who collect beat up, non-running cars.

    Yes, some rules make sense.. There were other things in play that added
    to my decision to sell the condo but I remember things like rules saying
    you couldn't have a wreath on your door for Christmas and you couldn't
    bring anything not held in your arms up in the elevator - you had to
    schedule a time to use the freight elevator. A bunch of little things..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Mon Jan 27 01:41:00 2025
    What is your cellular coverage like? Can you call 911 if you
    >need to?

    As of about 20 years ago we went from having to climb to the highest
    hill on the property to get any cell signal to getting near perfect
    reception all the time. Funny, at the time I thought that was because
    they built a new cell tower about 7 miles away, but when a service
    guy was here for noise on my land line, we talked briefly and he was
    able to check and he said the cell service here was coming from another
    tower several miles further away. Whatever works.. That's my Internet
    access mainly. Other than that my cell phone is just for emergencies,
    travel or for rare long distance calls which would cost me extra on my
    land line.

    I have a small 100 acre lot pretty much smack dab in the middle
    >of the Bear Lake Peatland Conservatory, south of Magnetawan,
    >east of Parry Sound. The family always referred to it as "the
    >Parry Sound property".

    I would love to build something on it, but road access is next
    >to zero.

    Yes, a lot of people bought acreage for hunting camps and such in
    the area and later found there was no legal way to put a road into
    the property. I have a friend with a cottage over on Mary Lake in
    Muskoka and he has no road access to his property. When he built
    his cottage, anything too big to be brought in using a small boat
    had to be flown in using a big commercial helicopter. He also ended
    up setting up everything to run on propane or his own generated
    power since Hydro, which comes to within 200 feet of the property,
    wanted $25,000 to hook him up so he told them to get stuffed and
    he's totally off the grid..

    $40,000 to do a good job. I hesitate to spend that much
    since I may only be wintering here for a limited time,
    probably less than another 5 years. (Possibly never again
    the way things are going..) B)

    I'm surprised that you *are* wintering that way when you don't
    >have to.

    The way things are going, I get a couple of uncomfortable days
    out of 10 or so and I.. 'enjoy it' might be slightly overkill..
    most of the time. The harder life keeps me busy and in good shape.
    My doctor bases all medical decisions on my health as if I were
    20 years younger than I am, and says she wishes all her patients,
    no matter what their age, were in as good shape so, I'm either
    doing something right or have really good genes.

    (It should maybe be mentioned that my brother and sister are both
    in far worse health than I am.. so far anyways..)

    BTW, this is not a money thing. I could easily afford to
    rent a house or apartment for winter or even year round
    but I would go stir crazy I think living in town all the
    time.

    Surely, there are people wanting to rent out their homes while
    >they leave for the winter? I know several people house-sitting
    >and pet-sitting people's country properties while the owners go
    >to warmer climates, and the sitter gets paid for it!

    Yes, time to find something like that was short this year but I
    decided early on to try wintering here again in any case to see
    if I could still hack it. That decision is still up in the air.. B)

    I didn't know for sure I was losing my usual winter residence for
    THIS year until early November.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Mon Jan 27 09:01:00 2025
    Yeah, where is that global warming when you need it. :D I would sure be
    >discouraged from toughing it out for many winters if I suspected that they
    >might turn out like this one has so far.

    Yes, perfect timing. Probably the coldest winter so far in a decade and
    more snow than I've seen in the past 20 years this early. My weather
    app on the phone used words I've never seen them use before, they said
    I should expect a blizzard tomorrow. If a few of the storms we've gotten
    so far didn't qulify as that I hate to think what to expect..

    I was reading something today that warned the US areas south and east of
    you (across Lakes Erie and Ontario) to expect a lot of snow so I wondered
    if you might also be in for it. Sounds like probably so.

    Some of the HOA stuff relatives have to put up with would drive me nuts.
    >OTOH, the rules do sometimes come in handy when you have neighbors that
    >have kids who collect beat up, non-running cars.

    Yes, some rules make sense.. There were other things in play that added
    to my decision to sell the condo but I remember things like rules saying
    you couldn't have a wreath on your door for Christmas and you couldn't
    bring anything not held in your arms up in the elevator - you had to
    schedule a time to use the freight elevator. A bunch of little things..

    Sometimes it is those little nagging things that rub a person wrong more
    than the obvious things because they are so nit-picky.

    Mike

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Stephen Walsh on Mon Jan 27 17:04:28 2025
    Stephen,

    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.

    Is there any beer involved?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Jan 29 00:51:00 2025
    more snow than I've seen in the past 20 years this early. My weather
    >> app on the phone used words I've never seen them use before, they said
    >> I should expect a blizzard tomorrow. If a few of the storms we've gotten
    >> so far didn't qulify as that I hate to think what to expect..

    I was reading something today that warned the US areas south and east of
    >you (across Lakes Erie and Ontario) to expect a lot of snow so I wondered
    >if you might also be in for it. Sounds like probably so.

    I guess to earn being called a Blizzard requires higher winds. We had
    fairly high winds, 45 mph or so, for about 10 hours yesterday with some
    snow on and off all day. It didn't seem like that much snow but with the
    wind it did some 'interseting' things.. like my car was almost totally
    boxed in by 3 foot drifts that, because they were formed by high winds,
    were almost as hard as ice, easy to walk on. It ended up taking me
    about 45 minutes today to dig out enough snow to move the car out of
    my narrow parking spot, and even then the (private) plow driver ended
    up helping me by pushing my car from behind so I could move off and he
    could then properly clear out my parking spot.

    Walking around is precarious since you can walk on top of a lot of
    the snow, but not all of it, so you find yourself suddenly breaking
    through into 10 or 15 inches of loose snow under the crust. That's
    where there was already a fair amount of old snow. The drifts by
    my car were almost shovel breaking hard right down to the ground.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Wed Jan 29 09:43:00 2025
    I was reading something today that warned the US areas south and east of
    >you (across Lakes Erie and Ontario) to expect a lot of snow so I wondered
    >if you might also be in for it. Sounds like probably so.

    I guess to earn being called a Blizzard requires higher winds.

    I had forgotten that but, yes, I am pretty sure that is correct.

    Walking around is precarious since you can walk on top of a lot of
    the snow, but not all of it, so you find yourself suddenly breaking
    through into 10 or 15 inches of loose snow under the crust. That's
    where there was already a fair amount of old snow. The drifts by
    my car were almost shovel breaking hard right down to the ground.

    We had something similar, but less dangerous, a week or so ago. It snowed several inches, then we got a layer of freezing rain on top of it.
    Compacted the snow down and also melted some of it, leaving voids. There
    were not many nature-made drifts and the ones that we had were not near
    that tall. So you might break through some ice that was about the depth of your shoe, and maybe twist an ankle, but nothing you might get stuck in.

    Wild that those drifts got so hard. Was there any melting and refreezing involved?

    Mike


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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jan 30 09:58:14 2025

    Hello Ward!

    27 Jan 25 17:04, you wrote to me:

    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while
    players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.

    Is there any beer involved?

    No.


    Stephen


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Stephen Walsh on Thu Jan 30 22:02:47 2025
    Stephen,

    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while
    players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.

    Is there any beer involved?

    No.

    Then it isn't football. Fans without beer ... horror.

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  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 31 10:20:00 2025

    Hello Ward!

    30 Jan 25 22:02, you wrote to me:

    In between each quarter, there is a six minute break, while
    players are given 20 minutes to recover at half time.
    Is there any beer involved?

    No.

    Then it isn't football. Fans without beer ... horror.

    Fans yes, players no... Although it's very expensive!



    Stephen


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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Rob Mccart on Fri Jan 31 08:55:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Monday 27.01.25 - 01:41, Rob Mccart wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

    they built a new cell tower about 7 miles away, but when a
    service guy was here for noise on my land line, we talked
    briefly and he was able to check and he said the cell
    service here was coming from another tower several miles
    further away. Whatever works.. That's my Internet access
    mainly. Other than that my cell phone is just for
    emergencies, travel or for rare long distance calls which
    would cost me extra on my land line.

    Why not switch entirely to cellular? That's what I did just a
    few years ago. I got tired of the seasonal issues with the
    landlines developing hum/noises.

    My rate was about $35/mo (no extra features). I guess that was
    a grandfathered rate or something, but I learned that other
    people were paying as over $60 just for a basic service (no
    features). Now, the minimum seems to be $80.

    I use a ZTE mobile router that houses the SIM card. The device
    feeds regular RJ11 to any existing corded phones or the house
    wiring. The device also provides local wifi.

    I know several people who are totally frustrated with Bell and
    their high landline charges. This ZTE-solution would serve them
    well - if they only knew about it.


    Yes, a lot of people bought acreage for hunting camps and
    such in the area and later found there was no legal way to
    put a road into the property. I have a friend with a
    cottage over on Mary Lake in Muskoka and he has no road
    access to his property.

    My lot has a "road clearance" at the south narrow end. So.. a
    selfmanaged trail all along that route could work. One of my
    neighbour's was telling me that there is a trail that actually
    leads right up to my property. I might have to explore that
    some day - for now, I've only been accessing the property in an
    extended loop across crownland from the North, then across to
    the East and then back to the West across a fine beaver dam!


    told them to get stuffed and he's totally off the grid..

    Yep.. off-grid would be the only solution on my property too.
    A friend of mine wants to explore building a ham radio repeater
    node there. There are a couple of potential high spots.
    Cellular was sketchy in the North part of the property.


    (It should maybe be mentioned that my brother and sister
    are both in far worse health than I am.. so far
    anyways..)

    Younger or older?

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Fri Jan 31 01:27:00 2025
    I guess to earn being called a Blizzard requires higher winds.

    I had forgotten that but, yes, I am pretty sure that is correct.

    Yes, you think of that from watching TV shows about people fighting their
    way through blowing snow, usually in old Westerns, but I don't think the
    wind displayed in those was quite as high as we got here, and we've
    definitely had some windy snowstorms that the weather apps just referred
    to as Blowing Snow or Whiteout conditions. I've had that driving to or
    from town a few times this winter. About half my 50 mile trip is on a
    major 4 lane highway with a 110 kph (68 mph?) speed limit, and there
    are people who try to drive at near that full speed when you can't see
    20 feet in front of you and the roads are slippery enough your car can
    wander back and forth without you moving the steering wheel..

    The drifts by my car were almost shovel breaking hard right down
    >> to the ground.

    Wild that those drifts got so hard. Was there any melting and refreezing
    >involved?

    No, not that day. It stayed down around 3 to 5f that whole day.
    Snow just packs harder when the wind speed is higher, especially when
    it's good and cold.

    It was much nicer today, only a few degrees below freezing without too
    much wind compared to yesterday when I drove into town to get my shopping
    done and then home and trudging along through 10 inches of snow carrying
    it 250 feet to the house over rough ground, 3 trips to get it all there.

    I spent quite a while today and yesterday digging a path through 10 to 24
    inch snow to most of the places on the property I need to walk every day.
    That was over about 350 feet. I have maybe another 125 feet to do but less
    than half of that needs to be done quickly. The rest of it is just out
    to my car and I won't be driving anywhere for possibly as much as another
    2 weeks so there's no big hurry there..

    The real shock this year is the wild changes in temperature up and down
    in a short time, like this week Friday will have a high of 32f and a low
    that night of -4f, a high of 8f the next day, then back up to 27f the
    next day. But what I started to say was we've had a number of days this
    year with a daytime high at or slightly above freezing and then dropping
    to -4f or so overnight. The worst part is those fast changes are always accompanied by high winds to move the systems in and out and it's harder
    to heat the house and get around in the wind than in colder temperatures.

    The guy that plows out the road here said to me the other day that this
    is the worst year for large and drifting snowfalls that he's seen in
    at least 5 years. I picked a great year to try wintering here again. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri Jan 31 09:48:00 2025
    The real shock this year is the wild changes in temperature up and down
    in a short time, like this week Friday will have a high of 32f and a low
    that night of -4f, a high of 8f the next day, then back up to 27f the
    next day. But what I started to say was we've had a number of days this
    year with a daytime high at or slightly above freezing and then dropping
    to -4f or so overnight. The worst part is those fast changes are always accompanied by high winds to move the systems in and out and it's harder
    to heat the house and get around in the wind than in colder temperatures.

    We've had some of the temperature swings here lately but nothing near that drastic. Like one day it might only get to 28F after a night around 10F,
    then the next day it might be 35-40F after a night near 25F. We are about
    to get some days near 60F. As you have noticed, the winds are always at
    play while all of this is going on.

    The guy that plows out the road here said to me the other day that this
    is the worst year for large and drifting snowfalls that he's seen in
    at least 5 years. I picked a great year to try wintering here again. B)

    It sure sounds that way! :)

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to STEPHEN WALSH on Fri Jan 31 10:07:00 2025
    Then it isn't football. Fans without beer ... horror.

    Fans yes, players no... Although it's very expensive!

    Proof that it is a professional sports team then. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Sun Feb 2 00:59:00 2025
    That's my Internet access mainly. Other than that my cell
    > phone is just for emergencies, travel or for rare long
    > distance calls which would cost me extra on my land line.

    Why not switch entirely to cellular? That's what I did just a
    >few years ago. I got tired of the seasonal issues with the
    >landlines developing hum/noises.

    Every year when I was wintering in town I put the phone on 'Vacation'
    over the winter, which saved me a little money, and every spring I
    wondered if I shouldn't go to just a cell phone. Probably the only
    reason I haven't done that yet is because the land line here is so
    cheap ($29.75) and my cell phone is pretty old so I worry about it
    suddenly having a problem and having no other sourse of communication
    since my cell phone is also my internet connection. I just got used
    to using them for different things and didn't change over..

    I'll grant you it's a bit of a waste of money though, especially
    now when there's just me here so there's no issues with who gets
    to keep the phone if one person goes out unless you have a second+
    cell phone.

    My rate was about $35/mo (no extra features). I guess that was
    >a grandfathered rate or something, but I learned that other
    >people were paying as over $60 just for a basic service (no
    >features). Now, the minimum seems to be $80.

    Yes, I have the lowest land line rate of anyone I know. In my case
    the Bell Box is very old and, technically, it is using an old
    party line system where they've changed over from 4 customers on
    a line to 2 customers who can share the line without ever knowing
    someone else could also using it at the same time. The easiest way
    to see this was back when I was on dial-up internet and the fastest
    speed I could get was 26k instead of 56k..

    I use a ZTE mobile router that houses the SIM card. The device
    >feeds regular RJ11 to any existing corded phones or the house
    >wiring. The device also provides local wifi.

    My sister has something like that where they use their old land
    line phones through a cell phone, although I don't think they
    had to have a SIM card in anything but one of their cell phones.
    It just is set to share the signal somehow.

    (It should maybe be mentioned that my brother and sister
    > are both in far worse health than I am.. so far
    > anyways..)

    Younger or older?

    My Sister is 3 years older and my brother, who is in the worst
    shape, is 3 years younger.

    I think they both have Blood Pressure problems, my sister had
    cancer (in remission now) and she broke her neck being thrown
    from a horse and had what they call an Orthopedic Decapitation
    where your skull totally disconnects from your spine but you are
    lucky enough not to snap the spinal cord. They were able to fuse
    things back togther and she can function pretty well but has very
    little ability to turn her head.

    My brother has severe 'brittle' diabetes which mainly affected
    the nerves in his feet to the point where he can't drive anymore
    or walk very far, and I think he has other health issues he hasn't
    gone into details on. I know he's been in the hospital emergency
    a number of times with his heart racing out of control. He has
    medication for that at home but sometimes it gets too severe.
    ---
    * SLMR Rob * It's not the chances you get, it's the chances you take
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 2 01:22:00 2025
    The real shock this year is the wild changes in temperature up and down
    >> in a short time, like this week Friday will have a high of 32f and a low
    >> that night of -4f

    We've had some of the temperature swings here lately but nothing near that
    >drastic. Like one day it might only get to 28F after a night around 10F,
    >then the next day it might be 35-40F after a night near 25F. We are about
    >to get some days near 60F.

    Yes, Some of yours are a bit of a jump as well. I sort of expect there
    to be about a 15f or so change from day to night but much more than
    that you notice. As we get into February, especially the second half,
    we will start to get a lot more days above freezing and March is the
    change over month when we get more rain than snow and fewer nights
    dipping below freezing, but still frequently enough that I can't put
    in my water system until some time in April without worrying about
    it freezing up at night. Usually no damage is done since the outside
    lines are flexible plastic but there is about 400 feet of it, much of
    it going over bare bedrock, so it is totally exposed to the cold.

    The other problem I had in the past, I hope it's not as bad these
    days with warmer overall temperatures, is not being able to put in
    the water system until the ice comes off of Georgian Bay. I can
    remember years putting the foot valve stand in around April 10th
    and getting cuts on my legs from ice floes drifting in and hitting
    me when I was in the water. One year I had to put in the foot valve
    3 times because ice kept drifting in, catching the marker float, and
    dragging the stand into shore.. B)

    Last night and tonight we'll drop to about -4f again but there are
    a couple of days this week that may get up slightly above freezing
    so it's still bouncing around.

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * A 'normal' mind, by virtue of rarity, would be abnormal
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Sun Feb 2 11:16:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Sunday 02.02.25 - 01:22, Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL:

    The other problem I had in the past, I hope it's not as bad these
    days with warmer overall temperatures, is not being able to put in
    the water system until the ice comes off of Georgian Bay. I can
    remember years putting the foot valve stand in around April 10th
    and getting cuts on my legs from ice floes drifting in and hitting
    me when I was in the water. One year I had to put in the foot valve
    3 times because ice kept drifting in, catching the marker float, and dragging the stand into shore.. B)

    Last night and tonight we'll drop to about -4f again but there are
    a couple of days this week that may get up slightly above freezing
    so it's still bouncing around.

    We (and you) had quite a deep-freeze again last night. It
    started getting into the low 20s pretty early in the evening
    last night around 7p.

    Bancroft, Ontario

    Latitude 45.07ø N | Longitude 77.88ø W
    Past 24 Hour Conditions

    02 February 2025
    09:00 n/a -17 (-16.6) SSE 2
    08:00 n/a -18 (-18.0) SSE 2
    07:00 n/a -20 (-19.6) calm
    06:00 n/a -22 (-21.9) calm
    05:00 n/a -23 (-23.1) calm
    04:00 n/a -25 (-25.2) calm
    03:00 n/a -27 (-27.0) calm
    02:00 n/a -27 (-27.1) calm
    01:00 n/a -28 (-27.5) calm
    00:00 n/a -27 (-27.1) calm
    01 February 2025
    23:00 n/a -25 (-25.3) calm
    22:00 n/a -24 (-23.9) calm
    21:00 n/a -23 (-23.0) calm
    20:00 n/a -22 (-22.1) calm
    19:00 n/a -21 (-20.5) calm
    18:00 n/a -18 (-18.1) calm

    It was a nice clear sky though with a small 15% cresent moon
    and a very large and bright Venus right next to it.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Sun Feb 2 12:40:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Friday 24.01.25 - 01:22, Rob Mccart wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

    the main heater running on and off as needed but I need
    some work sealing things up better when it gets windy.
    Vertical log cabin with siding on it and some insulation
    but more intended to handle cool days in spring and fall
    than the cold of winter.

    I don't think I know anyone else with a vertial log cabin. I
    know several people with cordwood and haybale homes in this
    area though.

    Can you simply add a layer of insulation on the outside of the
    existing facing? I've seen that done on some homes in the area
    - seems like a much simpler solution than clearing space to
    work inside or opening the walls inside. A really old building
    in my downtown went through a reno like that, and they simply
    added boards to provide a "log home" look on top of the
    insulation outside.


    [...] Imagine carrying 2 full pails of water up hill
    through snow often up to your knees..

    Can imagine. I've done something almost similar when I needed
    to provide a supply of wash/flush water when my pump/well
    developed combined issues one summer. I live next to a small
    lake. I fetched water from the lake to the house when I needed
    to top-up my 120L supply in two 60L bins. It is a short 100ft
    (30m) walk and a modest incline from the lake to the house, but
    with just two 10L buckets it took a while. The laundry machine
    would take a minimum 25L for a small wash.

    My bathtub needs at least 40L before I don't feel like I'm
    sitting in a puddle.


    You can tell I'm an older Canadian the way I jump between
    metric and the old system for measurments.. But I figure
    it helps our American friends reading this to follow it as
    well.. B)

    I bounce around using both systems depending on the application
    too. Around here, driving distance is simply measured in
    MINUTES though! :D

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Rob Mccart on Mon Feb 3 11:44:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Sunday 02.02.25 - 01:22, Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL:

    The other problem I had in the past, I hope it's not as
    bad these days with warmer overall temperatures, is not
    being able to put in the water system until the ice comes
    off of Georgian Bay. I can remember years putting the foot
    valve stand in around April 10th and getting cuts on my
    legs from ice floes drifting in and hitting me when I was
    in the water.

    Whaaat? No hip waders?
    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: Age Doesn't Matter Unless You're a Cheese (1:396/45.29)
  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Rob Mccart on Mon Feb 3 11:47:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Friday 31.01.25 - 01:27, Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL:

    I spent quite a while today and yesterday digging a path
    through 10 to 24 inch snow to most of the places on the
    property I need to walk every day. That was over about 350
    feet. I have maybe another 125 feet to do..

    [...]


    ..I picked a great year to try wintering here again. B)


    Looks like you are getting another steady dump of snow right
    about now.

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: Age Doesn't Matter Unless You're a Cheese (1:396/45.29)
  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Rob Mccart on Mon Feb 3 13:01:00 2025
    Hello Rob Mccart!

    ** On Sunday 02.02.25 - 00:59, Rob Mccart wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS:

    Every year when I was wintering in town I put the phone on
    'Vacation' over the winter, which saved me a little money,
    and every spring I wondered if I shouldn't go to just a
    cell phone. Probably the only reason I haven't done that
    yet is because the land line here is so cheap ($29.75) and
    my cell phone is pretty old so I worry about it suddenly
    having a problem and having no other sourse of
    communication since my cell phone is also my internet
    connection. I just got used to using them for different
    things and didn't change over..

    So... you use the cellphone in mobile hotspot mode?

    $29.75 for landline is pretty low, but that's probably because
    it's still part of a [lower tier] party-line system.


    party line system where they've changed over from 4
    customers on a line to 2 customers who can share the line
    without ever knowing someone else could also using it at
    the same time.

    That's interesting. So.. when the phone rings. it's always for
    you and not anyone else on the party-line? I wonder how they
    accomplish that. Our initial phone line was a partyline too
    but it was always a distinctive ring pattern that everyone
    heard but indicated the specific recipient. Then it converted
    to a dedicated line (and touch-tone capable) not too long
    later.


    The easiest way to see this was back when I was on dial-up
    internet and the fastest speed I could get was 26k instead
    of 56k..

    Yep.. DSL does not appear to be a future option with those
    lines. Infact, DSL is being phased out. The great Ontario
    initiative seems to be fiber installations now, I think.

    See: https://www.ontario.ca/page/ontario-connects-making-high- speed-internet-accessible-in-every-community ..on your DT
    browser [the map doesn't render on a phone].


    I use a ZTE mobile router that houses the SIM card. [...]

    My sister has something like that where they use their old
    land line phones through a cell phone, although I don't
    think they had to have a SIM card in anything but one of
    their cell phones. It just is set to share the signal
    somehow.

    That's another type of unit where you just cradle your
    cellphone on its base and "link" it to any cordless phones you
    may have elsewhere. But I think they require Bluetooth
    handsets. I don't think they offer wifi/internet though.

    With my system, I can continue to use existing cordless
    handsets or the RJ11 house wiring. One of mine is specifically
    the MF279T (unlocked), ..and it was only $8 at a thrift shop.

    I have a couple of other older units, (originally intended for
    people who wanted to try that solution) ..but they are still
    locked to a specific carrier.

    What cell company are you using? I have a unit that is locked
    to Rogers and another locked to Bell. I want to unlock them so
    that cheaper consumer-grade carriers like Chatr, NoFrills, or
    Luckymobile could be used with them.


    I think they both have Blood Pressure problems, my sister
    had cancer (in remission now) and she broke her neck being
    thrown

    [...]


    My brother has severe 'brittle' diabetes which mainly
    affected the nerves in his feet to the point where he
    can't drive anymore

    All the more critical to avoid any kind of illness or injury
    yourself!

    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.58
    * Origin: Age Doesn't Matter Unless You're a Cheese (1:396/45.29)
  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue Feb 4 01:04:00 2025
    We (and you) had quite a deep-freeze again last night. It
    >started getting into the low 20s pretty early in the evening
    >last night around 7p.

    Bancroft, Ontario

    02 February 2025
    >09:00 .n/a .-17 (-16.6) .SSE 2 .
    >08:00 .n/a .-18 (-18.0) .SSE 2 .
    >07:00 .n/a .-20 (-19.6) .calm .
    >06:00 .n/a .-22 (-21.9) .calm .
    >05:00 .n/a .-23 (-23.1) .calm .
    >04:00 .n/a .-25 (-25.2) .calm .
    >03:00 .n/a .-27 (-27.0) .calm .
    >02:00 .n/a .-27 (-27.1) .calm .
    >01:00 .n/a .-28 (-27.5) .calm .
    >00:00 .n/a .-27 (-27.1) .calm .

    I'm surprised that you often get slightly colder temps than I do.
    Parry Sound is roughly the same distance North, but when I looked
    at long range weather from the same source sometimes it goes the
    other way and is colder here so I guess it's just dumb luck.

    But your -28c, unless the predicted temp here was off quite a bit,
    was at least 6c colder than what I got last night.

    It was up around freezing today but cloudy here. Some minor wind
    went away overnight so it wasn't too bad, just as well since we
    got some blowing snow the last couple of days and I had to re-shovel
    the paths around the property, about 350 feet of them today.

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * Operator?... Trace this call and tell me where I am
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Tue Feb 4 01:40:00 2025
    the main heater running on and off as needed but I need
    some work sealing things up better when it gets windy.
    Vertical log cabin with siding on it and some insulation
    but more intended to handle cool days in spring and fall
    than the cold of winter.

    I don't think I know anyone else with a vertial log cabin. I
    >know several people with cordwood and haybale homes in this
    >area though.

    I'd never seen that before we bought here. They take round logs
    about 7 inches aound and split them down the middle, then offset
    them and nail the flats together so you have the appearance of
    vertical round logs on the inside and the outside. These places
    were built a while back though, 70 years or so..

    Can you simply add a layer of insulation on the outside of the
    >existing facing? I've seen that done on some homes in the area

    Back around 38 years ago I added framing to the outside and ran
    horizontal aluminum siding and put in better windows and a vapour
    barrier and 3 inches of fiberglass insulation in the walls, floors
    and ceiling, but it was difficult making the place air tight and
    the years have probably deteriorated that original work of mine,
    or the mice have chewed it to crap.. B)

    What would be better these days would be to remove the siding
    and have expanding foam insulation sprayed directly onto the
    outside logs and possibly the floors too. I've had mice, squirrels
    and raccoons rip the insulation loose under the floors to either
    take it away to make nests or they actually get up between the
    insulation and the warmer floor and make a nest there, obviously
    stretching the heck out of the rolled vinyl/fiberglass insulation
    I used under the floors. Living in the woods is lots of fun.. B)

    [...] Imagine carrying 2 full pails of water up hill
    through snow often up to your knees..

    Can imagine. I've done something almost similar when I needed
    >to provide a supply of wash/flush water when my pump/well
    >developed combined issues one summer. I live next to a small
    >lake. I fetched water from the lake to the house when I needed
    >to top-up my 120L supply in two 60L bins. It is a short 100ft
    >(30m) walk and a modest incline from the lake to the house, but
    >with just two 10L buckets it took a while. The laundry machine
    >would take a minimum 25L for a small wash.

    Yes, it's about 250 feet from my place to where I have the 'box'
    on the ice where I have my water hole. That places it more than
    100 feet from shore, but it's shallow for a ways out and at the
    start of winter the water drops enough to move the shore line out
    another 20 to 30 feet. The last 60 feet or so back is relatively
    steep uphill on bare bedrock. By the time I get to the cottage it's
    starting to wear on me some, which is why I shovel the paths so
    I'm not fighting my way through deep snow as well.

    I have some snow shoes as well but I was finding them too awkward
    to use for that. I tend to trip over them when carrying 2 pails of
    water, and the hill is too steep to put the pails of water onto
    a sled and pull it up behind me..

    You can tell I'm an older Canadian the way I jump between
    metric and the old system for measurments..

    I bounce around using both systems depending on the application
    >too. Around here, driving distance is simply measured in
    >MINUTES though! :D

    I find myself most comfortable with a rather weird mix. I prefer
    temperatures above freezing in Fahrenheit but below freezing in
    Celcius. I prefer distances in miles but have grown accustomed to
    speed limits in KPH.. And prefer height (and carpentry) in feet and
    inches to metric..

    ---
    * SLMR Rob * I may have my faults, but being wrong isn't one of them
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