• Renegade BBS XFer Prots

    From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to All on Sat Feb 10 19:01:49 2024
    Hey folks.. I'm trying to get a Renegade BBS online but I am having nothing but
    problems with transfer protocols.. I used the Smart Prot package but it only installs GSZ which does not work in a telnet session ..

    I haven't really been able to find anything that has helped me lol ..


    Greetings, Night Stalker

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Feb 10 20:29:52 2024
    On 10 Feb 24 19:01:49, Dave Vandermeer said the following to All:

    Hey folks.. I'm trying to get a Renegade BBS online but I am having nothing but
    problems with transfer protocols.. I used the Smart Prot package but it on installs GSZ which does not work in a telnet session ..

    Others may have their preferences but Fdsz has ran here since day one.

    Nick

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Feb 10 21:28:57 2024
    Hey folks.. I'm trying to get a Renegade BBS online but I am having nothin

    We have PD-Zmodem installed by default with all new installs of Renegade since like 2004.

    ... You're staring at me like I'm driving the nails.

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  • From Martin Kazmaier@1:340/1101 to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Feb 10 20:31:00 2024

    Hey folks.. I'm trying to get a Renegade BBS online but I am having nothing but problems with transfer protocols.. I used the Smart
    Prot package but it only installs GSZ which does not work in a
    telnet session ..

    I haven't really been able to find anything that has helped me lol ..

    You're going to have to use fdsz or pdz with fossil support, I'd think.

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Martin Kazmaier on Sun Feb 11 00:15:39 2024
    I haven't really been able to find anything that has helped me lol ..

    You're going to have to use fdsz or pdz with fossil support, I'd think.

    I'm just lost at his question, as PD Zmodem comes preinstalled with RG since 2003. Same as I've included NetFOSS (with permission from PCMike), So unless he's trying to run some OLD version or not using the -T parameter to load RG for telnet, I have no idea what is going on.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dave Vandermeer on Sun Feb 11 01:46:44 2024
    To: Dave Vandermeer
    Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Dave Vandermeer to All on Sat Feb 10 2024 07:01 pm

    Hey folks.. I'm trying to get a Renegade BBS online but I am having nothing but
    problems with transfer protocols.. I used the Smart Prot package but it only installs GSZ which does not work in a telnet session ..

    I haven't really been able to find anything that has helped me lol ..



    Just run synchronet. it has a large community, and a good future.
    You can make it into anything you want. even a renegade clone.
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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Sun Feb 11 10:59:00 2024
    Just run synchronet. it has a large community, and a good future.
    You can make it into anything you want. even a renegade clone.

    True. I have mine set up to look like a GT Power clone.


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 11 21:47:02 2024
    Just run synchronet. it has a large community, and a good future.

    ...

    -- Sean

    ...Not tonight, dear. I have a modem.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 11 21:49:12 2024
    True. I have mine set up to look like a GT Power clone.

    That isn't an answer to the question at hand.

    I did use RG for a short while years ago and CEXYZ worked fine. PDZ should work without a hitch also.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Sean Dennis on Sun Feb 11 22:22:03 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Sean Dennis to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 11 2024 09:47 pm

    Just run synchronet. it has a large community, and a good future.

    ...

    -- Sean


    also better than all the other ones.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Sean Dennis on Sun Feb 11 22:25:57 2024
    To: Sean Dennis
    Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Sean Dennis to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 11 2024 09:49 pm

    True. I have mine set up to look like a GT Power clone.

    That isn't an answer to the question at hand.

    I did use RG for a short while years ago and CEXYZ worked fine. PDZ should work without a hitch also.


    i've had cexyz work weird with some fossils.

    zsx is nice. fdsz is easy to setup.
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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 19 19:04:02 2024
    On 10 Feb 2024, Nick Andre said the following...

    On 10 Feb 24 19:01:49, Dave Vandermeer said the following to All:

    Others may have their preferences but Fdsz has ran here since day one.


    Is that a drop in fossilized version of DSZ? Or does it need any changes to renegade's protocol settings?

    Thanks..

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dave Vandermeer on Tue Feb 20 00:38:59 2024
    On 19 Feb 24 19:04:02, Dave Vandermeer said the following to Nick Andre:

    Is that a drop in fossilized version of DSZ? Or does it need any changes to renegade's protocol settings?

    No, it requires a slight change in all X/Y/Z settings for the fossil port.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dave Vandermeer on Mon Feb 19 23:31:14 2024
    To: Dave Vandermeer
    Re: Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Dave Vandermeer to Nick Andre on Mon Feb 19 2024 07:04 pm

    On 10 Feb 2024, Nick Andre said the following...

    On 10 Feb 24 19:01:49, Dave Vandermeer said the following to All:

    Others may have their preferences but Fdsz has ran here since day one.


    Is that a drop in fossilized version of DSZ? Or does it need any changes to renegade's protocol settings?


    you cant just drop it in, the syntax is different and a bit more simple.
    it's not bad. but you should use pdzmodem instead.
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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 25 10:00:53 2024

    you cant just drop it in, the syntax is different and a bit more simple. it's not bad. but you should use pdzmodem instead.

    Yea.. I have PDZ working with a Telegard setup.. maybe I'll spend some time later today and see if I can't get it figured out.

    CEXYZ Works, but it's just so slow lol unacceptable!

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dave Vandermeer on Mon Feb 26 18:35:45 2024
    To: Dave Vandermeer
    Re: Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Dave Vandermeer to Jas Hud on Sun Feb 25 2024 10:00 am

    Yea.. I have PDZ working with a Telegard setup.. maybe I'll spend some time later today and see if I can't get it figured out.

    CEXYZ Works, but it's just so slow lol unacceptable!


    i think cexyz only works well with wonky fossils. i think it worked well when i ran iniquity with old netmodem.
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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to Jas Hud on Fri Mar 1 18:31:05 2024

    you cant just drop it in, the syntax is different and a bit more simple. it's not bad. but you should use pdzmodem instead.

    I tried to get PDZ working .. it sorta works.. downloads work fine, but uploads finish on the senders end while the data is buffered in cyberspace waiting for Renegade to receive it.. depending on the size of the file it could take from 1 minute to 30 mins .. the default renegade protocols just don't work at all .. get COM port errors ..

    It's frustrating to say the least .. but I will perservere and get this garbage figured out lol

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Mar 2 10:03:57 2024
    To: Dave Vandermeer
    Re: Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Dave Vandermeer to Jas Hud on Fri Mar 01 2024 06:31 pm

    it's not bad. but you should use pdzmodem instead.

    I tried to get PDZ working .. it sorta works.. downloads work fine, but uploads finish on the senders end while the data is buffered in cyberspace waiting for Renegade to receive it.. depending on the size of the file it could take from 1 minute to 30 mins .. the default renegade protocols just don't work at all .. get COM port errors ..

    It's frustrating to say the least .. but I will perservere and get this garbage figured out lol


    Your system is also disconnecting anybody that connects.
    What telnet server and fossil are you using to run your bbs?
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Mar 2 13:46:49 2024
    I tried to get PDZ working .. it sorta works.. downloads work fine, but uploads finish on the senders end while the data is buffered in cyberspace waiting for Renegade to receive it.. depending on the size of the file it could take from 1 minute to 30 mins .. the default renegade protocols just don't work at all .. get COM port errors ..

    Dude, I have no idea what you are doing or what version you are running. That is a great start for help. Secondly, PDZ-Modem comes installed within Renegade so there is no need to fuck with it since like v1.10. Get up to v1.30 atleast or v1.33. The only trouble I've had with PDZmodem is on files around 20GB in uploading, which in that turn, it was eaiser for the sender to send me a weblink to download it from. The program was not made to handle that HUGE of a file.

    All config and everything, including the file is setup and ready to go in Renegade and the PDZmodem files come with it. Along with NetFOSS and Net2BBS.

    Are you using NetFOSS as your FOSSIL? If not, PDZmodem may not work correctly, as it wa tinkered with by pcmike and he wrote NetFOSS and Net2BBS. So it's MADE to work with those.

    www.rgbbs.info to grab the latest current installs.

    ... Often it's fatal to live too long

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Mar 2 17:11:47 2024
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Mar 02 2024 01:46 pm

    Dude, I have no idea what you are doing or what version you are running. That is a great start for help. Secondly, PDZ-Modem comes installed within Renegade so there is no need to fuck with it since like v1.10. Get up to v1.30 atleast or v1.33. The only trouble I've had with PDZmodem is on files around 20GB in uploading, which in that turn, it was eaiser for the sender to send me a weblink to download it from. The program was not made to handle
    that HUGE of a file.

    All config and everything, including the file is setup and ready to go in Renegade and the PDZmodem files come with it. Along with NetFOSS and Net2BBS.


    he might be using dosbox to run it. a bunch of dudes put guides up about running bbses on dosbox. that would make the xfers shitty.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dave Vandermeer on Sat Mar 2 22:27:19 2024
    To: Dave Vandermeer
    Re: Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Dave Vandermeer to Jas Hud on Fri Mar 01 2024 06:31 pm


    you cant just drop it in, the syntax is different and a bit more simple. it's not bad. but you should use pdzmodem instead.

    I tried to get PDZ working .. it sorta works.. downloads work fine, but uploads finish on the senders end while the data is buffered in cyberspace waiting for Renegade to receive it.. depending on the size of the file it could take from 1 minute to 30 mins .. the default renegade protocols just don't work at all .. get COM port errors ..

    It's frustrating to say the least .. but I will perservere and get this garbage figured out lol


    so why are you running renegade and not something like mystic or synchronet
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Sun Mar 3 00:15:52 2024
    he might be using dosbox to run it. a bunch of dudes put guides up about running bbses on dosbox. that would make the xfers shitty.

    That may be it. Didn't even think of that.

    ... Eye of newt, toe of frog, and a side order of fries

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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to Jas Hud on Sun Mar 3 12:48:17 2024

    Your system is also disconnecting anybody that connects.
    What telnet server and fossil are you using to run your bbs?

    My Renegade setup is not live yet so that could be why :)

    I am using Argus to handle inbound binkd/telnet then passing off to renegade via netfoss when the user presses the esc key twice

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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun Mar 3 12:51:09 2024

    Dude, I have no idea what you are doing or what version you are running. T is a great start for help. Secondly, PDZ-Modem comes installed within Renegade so there is no need to fuck with it since like v1.10. Get up to v1.30 atleast or v1.33. The only trouble I've had with PDZmodem is on file around 20GB in uploading, which in that turn, it was eaiser for the sender send me a weblink to download it from. The program was not made to handle that HUGE of a file.


    I am running vY2Ka2 .. I do not like the newer versions of renegade because menus now have to be edited within renegade and are saved as binary and I prefer to be able to edit my menus with a text editor. So no.. PDZ did not come installed by default .. so .. I am thinking if I snatch the protocol.dat file from a newer version of RG it MAY solve my problems ..

    Yes, I AM using NetFoss so there shouldn't be any issues... I'll give it a whirl ..

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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to Jas Hud on Sun Mar 3 12:55:27 2024
    so why are you running renegade and not something like mystic or synchronet

    I do run Mystic .. it's been my main BBS for years. But everyone and their sister is running it now and I wanna kind of take my BBS back to it's roots when it changed from being run on an Amiga to being run on PC .. I ran Renegade 10-04exp

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dave Vandermeer on Sun Mar 3 14:17:29 2024
    come installed by default .. so .. I am thinking if I snatch the protocol. file from a newer version of RG it MAY solve my problems ..

    Nope. Not the same stuctures. You can install a new version an look at it and then copy them over, but DO NOT write them over as it will NOT work.

    ... Deep down...I'm really a pretty superficial kind of guy.

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dave Vandermeer on Sun Mar 3 14:18:04 2024
    Renegade 10-04exp

    I hope not, 10-04 was a hacky version, that is why 10-05 was released the next day.

    ... Don't be stupid; of *course* we intend to resist you!

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dave Vandermeer on Sun Mar 3 15:16:50 2024
    On 03 Mar 24 12:51:09, Dave Vandermeer said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    I am running vY2Ka2 .. I do not like the newer versions of renegade because menus now have to be edited within renegade and are saved as binary and I prefer to be able to edit my menus with a text editor. So no.. PDZ did not

    I run the exact setup here with Fdsz of which I can send you my Protocol.dat file... Zoob telnet server from 2001 and Netfoss on an XP virtual machine on Vmware Exsi 6. D'Bridge and native Win32 BinkD for all my FTN.

    That little XP virtual instance feeds over a hundred downlinks including those worshipping Linux and Mystic and SBBS and buggy Irex. Zero problems, period.

    Zero problems with callers mooching files either telnet and dialup.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dave Vandermeer on Sun Mar 3 14:36:01 2024
    To: Dave Vandermeer
    Re: Re: Renegade BBS XFer Prots
    By: Dave Vandermeer to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun Mar 03 2024 12:51 pm


    I am running vY2Ka2 .. I do not like the newer versions of renegade because menus now have to be edited within renegade and are saved as binary and I prefer to be able to edit my menus with a text editor. So no.. PDZ did not come installed by default .. so .. I am thinking if I snatch the protocol.dat file from a newer version of RG it MAY solve my problems ..

    Yes, I AM using NetFoss so there shouldn't be any issues... I'll give it a whirl ..


    maybe just use fdsz and use the commands that it recognizes.
    you will have to edit every entry but wont be hard. you will be removing params.

    people dont really download much nowadays anyways.
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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:229/275 to Nick Andre on Sun Mar 3 22:10:02 2024

    I run the exact setup here with Fdsz of which I can send you my Protocol.da file... Zoob telnet server from 2001 and Netfoss on an XP virtual machine o Vmware Exsi 6. D'Bridge and native Win32 BinkD for all my FTN.


    Hey.. thanks, but I got my problem solved .. what I did was installed renegade 1.10 to another folder, then manually entered the protocol data into my renegade .. I tested it both directions and so far everything works as it should .. a few more things and I can put the system live ..

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dave Vandermeer on Sun Mar 3 23:42:09 2024
    Hey.. thanks, but I got my problem solved .. what I did was installed rene 1.10 to another folder, then manually entered the protocol data into my renegade .. I tested it both directions and so far everything works as it should .. a few more things and I can put the system live ..

    I think we still had the menus as .MNUs in 1-10.4 ... don't think they went to data until 5-19.4 or maybe it was 6-30.6 ...

    If anyone feels like writing a program that unconverts the .dat file to text files, and then converts it back to .dat file, feel free.

    ... Why not invite her over for a Scotch and sofa?

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