Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: bbsing to All on Sun Mar 08 2026 10:42 pm

Has anyone seen this bill?!

I hear in addtional to California, other states are adopting similar
bills.

Seems like the defined OS in the bill doesn't consider the general
purpose nature of general purpose computers.

My C64 is going to have problems specially when I receive a firmware
update on my 1541-UII :(

Any thoughts on this.

i think you're safe.
it's something real stupid and i'm not surprised. california is the retard capital of the usa now. you dont even have to prove your age.

If they want to protect children lockup pedophiles for life.


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Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: MRO to bbsing on Tue Mar 10 2026 02:17:09

Hi MRO,

Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification

I hear in addtional to California, other states are adopting similar bills.

i think you're safe.
it's something real stupid and i'm not surprised. california is the retard capital of the usa now. you dont even have to prove your age.

If they want to protect children lockup pedophiles for life.

I have heard some OS distributions Anarchy linux, also thinks the bill is stupid.

Midnight BSD, is just updating their license info to exclude states and countries adopting such bills/laws.

system76 is thinking, same as many others.

I was really hoping they would just say go to hell with such laws, and exercise basic civil dispobedence. That concept has proven effective in the past.

I haven't heard much from OS users also to be effected by such a bill.

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In Brazil, the newly enacted FELCA Law requires Operating
Systems—including Linux, Windows, and certain BSD distributions, to implement regional blocking for ISO image downloads within the country. However, the law remains ambiguous; while it mandates restrictions for
OS usage, it fails to specify the required methods for age verification, creating a significant legal 'gray area'.


Thanks

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Em 09/03/2026 02:42, bbsing (VERT/LUNAROUT) escreveu:

Has anyone seen this bill?!

I hear in addtional to California, other states are adopting similar bills.

Seems like the defined OS in the bill doesn't consider the general
purpose nature of general purpose computers.

My C64 is going to have problems specially when I receive a firmware
update on my 1541-UII :(

Any thoughts on this.

Do you think this equates to a form of user abuse?

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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: Mauro to bbsing on Wed Mar 11 2026 08:56 pm

In Brazil, the newly enacted FELCA Law requires Operating Systems—including Linux, Windows, and certain BSD distributions, to implement regional blocking for ISO image downloads within the country. However, the law remains ambiguous; while it mandates restrictions for OS usage, it fails to specify the required methods for age verification, creating a significant legal 'gray area'.

The Brazilian government wants to block ISO downloads in certain regions? Why?

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bbsing wrote to MRO <=-

Midnight BSD, is just updating their license info to exclude states and countries adopting such bills/laws.

system76 is thinking, same as many others.

System76 has a bigger problem.
1. They have an OS offering.
2. They are based in Colorado.

So the Colorado law would impact them heavily.

They can fight it - which costs money.
They can move to another state - which costs money.
They can accomodate the bill - which costs money - and still leaves them open to lawsuits.

I was really hoping they would just say go to hell with such laws, and exercise basic civil dispobedence. That concept has proven effective in the past.

The fines are "company out of business" level fines. So civil disobedience won't work with the gov't's deep pockets.

I haven't heard much from OS users also to be effected by such a bill.

OS users aren't impacted as much.

For us, we'd just buy a PC from System76, wipe it (or get it clean) and load on what we want. Like Midnight BSD.

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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: Nightfox to Mauro on Wed Mar 11 2026 10:32 pm

The Brazilian government wants to block ISO downloads in certain regions? Why?

They want to control the operating systems, not just windows. Apple/Windows/Linux/BSD/Yo Momma's OS.

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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: Utopian Galt to Nightfox on Sat Mar 21 2026 10:11 am

The Brazilian government wants to block ISO downloads in certain regions?
Why?

They want to control the operating systems, not just windows. Apple/Windows/Linux/BSD/Yo Momma's OS.

Yeah, I didn't think it was only Windows..

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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: Mauro to bbsing on Wed Mar 11 2026 20:56:59

In Brazil, the newly enacted FELCA Law requires Operating Systems­including Linux, Windows, and certain BSD distributions, to implement regional blocking for ISO image downloads within the country. However, the law remains ambiguous; while it mandates restrictions for OS usage, it fails to specify the required methods for age verification, creating a significant legal 'gray area'.

I'm not sure they are solving the issues of social media abusing adults and children by implementing laws like this.

I think they should be targeting the social media platforms that wrote algorithyms to target people in a way that manipulates and hurts them instead of uplifting and helping them.
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bbsing wrote to Mauro <=-

I think they should be targeting the social media platforms that wrote algorithyms to target people in a way that manipulates and hurts them instead of uplifting and helping them.

I missed the first part of the post, but I'm assuming if they're going
after iso image downloads, it's part of a money grab from media
companies trying to get compensation for media piracy?

In the USA, the recording industry negotiated a fund to be created from
a charge on blank media produced, with the assumption that the only
reason for recordable media was to pirate copyrighted music. Buy a CD-R
for data backup or OS installation? You're paying the RIAA.




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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: poindexter FORTRAN to bbsing on Mon Sep 28 2026 07:48:00

In the USA, the recording industry negotiated a fund to be created from a charge on blank media produced, with the assumption that the only reason for recordable media was to pirate copyrighted music. Buy a CD-R for data backup or OS installation? You're paying the RIAA.

Does that totally make sense when considering blank tapes. People could put their personal recordings on CD-R, voice or music, not just data. I thought CD-R and CD-RW was about media, kinda like floppy disc, or zip drive, it was just another media storage platform for storage and or distribution.
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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: poindexter FORTRAN to bbsing on Mon Sep 28 2026 07:48 am

In the USA, the recording industry negotiated a fund to be created from
a charge on blank media produced, with the assumption that the only
reason for recordable media was to pirate copyrighted music. Buy a CD-R
for data backup or OS installation? You're paying the RIAA.

Isn't that canada that did that.

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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: bbsing to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Sep 28 2026 08:56 pm

In the USA, the recording industry negotiated a fund to be created from a
charge on blank media produced, with the assumption that the only reason
for recordable media was to pirate copyrighted music. Buy a CD-R for data
backup or OS installation? You're paying the RIAA.

Does that totally make sense when considering blank tapes. People could put their personal recordings on CD-R, voice or music, not just data. I thought CD-R and CD-RW was about media, kinda like floppy disc, or zip drive, it was just another media storage platform for storage and or distribution. BBsing, Sysop of Lunar Outpost, lunarout.sycnhro.net

I think there were plenty of cases where people were making copies of music CDs and making their own music mix CDs with various songs of their choice. In the late 90s and early 2000s, I recall it being a popular thing to download MP3s from Napster & such and burn them to audio CDs.

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bbsing wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

In the USA, the recording industry negotiated a fund to be created from a charge on blank media produced, with the assumption that the only reason for recordable media was to pirate copyrighted music. Buy a CD-R for data backup or OS installation? You're paying the RIAA.

Does that totally make sense when considering blank tapes.

Copyright law had something called the "analog hole". You could record
an album to cassette tape, but you couldn't then practically copy
another tape from that tape. With digital, you could make unlimited
copies. Ditto for VHS, as long as you didn't play the copy for $$$ or
in a business.

That did fall short, third world countries would get a cassette or
album and create many duplicates, I believe they used multi-recording
rigs with several cassettes recording at once. My college roommate was
an oil kid - his parents worked for Aramco in Saudi Arabia and he'd go
home over the summer. He'd come back with these pirated cassettes with
horribly copied cassette labels, with typos and all. They cost the
equivalent of $.25.



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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: poindexter FORTRAN to bbsing on Wed Sep 30 2026 07:43 am

Copyright law had something called the "analog hole". You could record an album to cassette tape, but you couldn't then practically copy another tape from that tape. With digital, you could make unlimited copies. Ditto for VHS, as long as you didn't play the copy for $$$ or in a business.

With cassette tapes, it was fairly easy to make a copy of a tape with a dual cassette deck.

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

With cassette tapes, it was fairly easy to make a copy of a tape with a dual cassette deck.

I had tons of cheap boom boxes growing up, including a couple of those
that would let you dub a cassette. You know, not one of them recorded accurately - the copy always ended up sounding sped up so I never got
into dubbing tapes.

I think the issue is that there's some degradation. You could make a
tape for friend 1, if friend 1 made a tape for friend 2 and friend 2
made a tape for friend 3, the sound degradation would be cumulative.

That wouldn't stop those multi-tape dubbers people used to make
commercial pirate copies...



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Re: Re: CA bill No. 1043 age verification
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Oct 02 2026 10:37 am

With cassette tapes, it was fairly easy to make a copy of a tape with a
dual cassette deck.

I had tons of cheap boom boxes growing up, including a couple of those that would let you dub a cassette. You know, not one of them recorded accurately - the copy always ended up sounding sped up so I never got into dubbing tapes.

I hadn't really noticed the speed issue when copying tapes, but maybe at the time I just didn't notice. I have noticed that some cassette decks play slightly fast or slow. Years ago, I digitized a cassette onto my PC using a boom box that my mom had, but there were parts that didn't really sound good, so I wanted to re-do it. I bought a USB cassette deck from Amazon and digitized it again with that, and it did sound better - and I noticed the USB cassette deck played slightly slower. I have a feeling the boom box I originally used may have been playing it too fast (rather than the USB deck playing too slow).

I think the issue is that there's some degradation. You could make a tape for friend 1, if friend 1 made a tape for friend 2 and friend 2 made a tape for friend 3, the sound degradation would be cumulative.

Yeah, I believe the tape hiss and possibly other noise tends to get recorded onto the second tape.

I've also heard of cassette-based multi-track music recorders that had the same problem - I recall reading that some would work by swapping cassette tapes, so each time you recorded a new track along with the previous track, the previously recorded tracks would sound worse due to cassette audio degradation. At least, for analog tapes.

Nightfox

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