• Re: Opinion on Pascal

    From Eyearrvee@VERT to KK4QBN on Wed Apr 12 21:55:38 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: KK4QBN to Deavmi on Sat Apr 01 2017 10:48 am

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to Ennev on Fri Mar 31 2017 10:54 am

    All the roads lead to Rome.
    Your last line. Does that just mean "all languages do the same thing" o
    r
    can get the same job done (there are exceptions though ;), I'm sure).

    All roads might lead to rome, but you have to fork off and take other roads
    to
    get there, no single road will take you to rome, just as no single programmi
    ng
    language would do 'everything' you would need it to do "I presume". So its n
    ice
    to have options. I find bash scriting to be very helpul, just as anything el
    se
    I can grasp on to, like Qbasic for example :)

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 11:46:04 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: KK4QBN to Deavmi on Sat Apr 01 2017 10:48 am

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    I like Qbasic too. I dont know why. maybe I have a goto mind.
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    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

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  • From jagossel@VERT/KK4QBN to Deavmi on Thu Apr 13 15:05:12 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to jagossel on Thu Apr 13 17:47:30 2017
    Any language with sub routines at the least.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Deavmi on Mon Apr 17 18:48:50 2017
    On 13/04/2017 23:47, Deavmi wrote:
    Any language with sub routines at the least.

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    Makes the support for a goto weird.

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  • From Mortifis@VERT/ALLEYCAT to jagossel on Sat May 27 12:14:00 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Mortifis on Sat May 27 22:29:51 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on th TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

    Did I GOTO using RETURNs? :D See what I did there?

    As a kid, I used GOTO a lot and never really understood the point of GOSUBS. Now, after being a professional software developer for over 10 years, and
    going through the Usborne programming books from the 1980s that they put online for viewing (thanks to Nostalgia Nerd for providing the link to them in his video description on YouTube), I am finally beginning to see the vaule of GOSUB/RETURN: provides reusability in a structured programming paradigm, if done right. So, it would make sense that BASIC could move from being a structured paradigm to a procedural one fairly easily. Now-a-days, BASIC has become more object oriented (e.g. Visual Basic).

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Mortifis on Sat May 27 21:48:31 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the
    "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on
    the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

    1 If X= Y goto 10
    10 Exit




    Joe

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to jagossel on Sun May 28 09:13:56 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: jagossel to Deavmi on Thu Apr 13 2017 15:05:12

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to Eyearrvee on Thu Apr 13 2017 11:46 am

    The day I discovered goto in C I was like whaaaaaaat?

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the "goto" in C
    #
    or any other OO language.

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on the TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    -jag
    Code it, script it, automate it!

    I need structured programming. Lol. And `goto` is not that.

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  • From Mro@VERT/BBSESINF to Deavmi on Sun May 28 10:20:59 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun May 28 2017 09:13 am

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  • From Mickey@VERT/OXFORDMI to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 11:04:00 2017
    On 05/27/17, Joe Delahaye considered the following...

    1 If X= Y goto 10
    10 Exit


    HEY! THATS NOT FAIR!!! Get back here. :-)


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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Mickey on Sun May 28 23:01:06 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00

    1 If X= Y goto 10
    10 Exit


    HEY! THATS NOT FAIR!!! Get back here. :-)

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Joe

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  • From Jagossel@VERT/MTLGEEK to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 19:58:59 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up to a 60" TV. :D

    -jag
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  • From Knightmare@VERT/P99BBS to Mortifis on Mon May 29 20:28:18 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14 pm

    It's in C# as well; although, rarely used. Never understood the
    "goto" in C# or any other OO language.

    Did you RETURN?


    I think you're confused with GOSUB.

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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 23:22:49 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    wow, I have'nt messed with a CoCo since about 1990.
    My 1st computer was a 4k vic 20 then I bought a CoCo 2
    My vic 20 had a casste tape drive lol that was a huge waste loading programs. had dual 5.25 drives on my CoCo.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Jagossel on Tue May 30 12:17:05 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 19:58:59

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up to a 60" TV. :D

    Yup. Even played one of my games on it. One of the cartridges.


    Joe

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Denn Gray on Tue May 30 12:19:13 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Denn Gray to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 23:22:49

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    wow, I have'nt messed with a CoCo since about 1990.
    My 1st computer was a 4k vic 20 then I bought a CoCo 2
    My vic 20 had a casste tape drive lol that was a huge waste loading programs. had dual 5.25 drives on my CoCo.

    Had both tape, and Floppies. Used the dual sided 1/2 height drives with OS9. My buddy spent the money and got a HD interface.


    Joe

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Jagossel on Wed Jun 7 23:25:40 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Mortifis on Sat May 27 2017 10:29 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mortifis to jagossel on Sat May 27 2017 12:14:00

    Granted I was pretty guilty of using GOTO when I programmed for fun on TRS-80 CoCo as a kid.

    Did you RETURN?

    Did I GOTO using RETURNs? :D See what I did there?

    As a kid, I used GOTO a lot and never really understood the point of GOSUBS. Now, after being a professional software developer for over 10 years, and going through the Usborne programming books from the 1980s that they put onl for viewing (thanks to Nostalgia Nerd for providing the link to them in his video description on YouTube), I am finally beginning to see the vaule of GOSUB/RETURN: provides reusability in a structured programming paradigm, if done right. So, it would make sense that BASIC could move from being a structured paradigm to a procedural one fairly easily. Now-a-days, BASIC ha become more object oriented (e.g. Visual Basic).

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!



    I remember gosub basically being the 'less evil' goto. It was a more structured way of calling subroutines. I can't remember if it was used in Basic09 or if it was more a DECB/Gwbasic invention.

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  • From Chris@VERT/DMINE to Jagossel on Wed Jun 7 23:30:03 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 07:58 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up a 60" TV. :D

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!


    I haven't seen it on a 60 inch tv yet, but footage from more recent Cocofest meetings show it running on modern led/lcd monitors which I thought was really cool. It's really impressive the amount of development they are doing on Cocos to this day.

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  • From Jazzy_J@VERT/JAYSCAFE to Chris on Thu Jun 8 15:19:00 2017
    Chris wrote to Jagossel <=-

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Jagossel to Joe Delahaye on Mon May 29 2017 07:58 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 23:01:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>

    What? Ok, that I have got to see: a Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3 hooked up a 60" TV. :D

    -jag
    Code it, Script it, Automate it!


    I haven't seen it on a 60 inch tv yet, but footage from more recent Cocofest meetings show it running on modern led/lcd monitors which I thought was really cool. It's really impressive the amount of
    development they are doing on Cocos to this day.

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    I've got a C64/C128 hooked to a 17" and the capability to put it on the 55" Love it.

    It looks better on a 4:3 ratio than a 19:6. The aspect stays the same, but, there is a lot of death space on the 19:6

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Mro on Sun Jun 11 12:50:37 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mro to Deavmi on Sun May 28 2017 10:20:59

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Deavmi to jagossel on Sun May 28 2017 09:13 am

    Info: `finger deavmi@kk4qbn.synchro.net`


    sweet now i know your ip address
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  • From Sam Alexander@VERT to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 13:29:06 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Sam Alexander on Fri Jun 23 18:53:13 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Sam Alexander to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 2017 13:29:06

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.


    My first computer was a CoCo 1. Modified with internal speakes <G> The 3 also has internal speakers and max memory. We built our own mem expansion cards


    Joe





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  • From Denn Gray@VERT/OUTWEST to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 22:06:54 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Sam Alexander on Fri Jun 23 2017 06:53 pm

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

    I also started out on a CoCo 2, My brother and I ran our first BBS in 1988 on a CoCo 2 64k ram on a basic program written by my brother.
    I recently found the code of his BBS software out in my garage.
    I scanned it in pdf format and uploaded it to my BBS.
    I also have almost every Rainbow magazine on my BBS in PDF.
    I need to find a CoCo2 or 3 at a yard sale.

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  • From Joe Delahaye@VERT/LIONSDEN to Denn Gray on Sat Jun 24 09:50:34 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Denn Gray to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 2017 22:06:54

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the
    other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well.
    First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

    I also started out on a CoCo 2, My brother and I ran our first BBS in 1988 on a CoCo 2 64k ram on a basic program written by my brother.
    I recently found the code of his BBS software out in my garage.
    I scanned it in pdf format and uploaded it to my BBS.
    I also have almost every Rainbow magazine on my BBS in PDF.
    I need to find a CoCo2 or 3 at a yard sale.


    Not sure if I still have the magazines or not. May have, sicne there are two boxes sitting with the rest of the stuff.


    Joe

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  • From Roadhog@VERT/OUTWEST to Sam Alexander on Sun Jun 25 18:33:28 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Sam Alexander to Joe Delahaye on Fri Jun 23 2017 01:29 pm

    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

    there are many of us that started out on the CoCo, back then it was an awesome machine for the price.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/KK4QBN to Darkages on Fri Jun 30 03:30:46 2017
    I take this back mostly now as I can use the syntax.

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  • From Deavmi@VERT/USERCLUB to Sam Alexander on Fri Aug 18 06:25:15 2017
    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Joe Delahaye to Mickey on Sun May 28 2017 11:01 pm

    Re: Re: Opinion on Pascal
    By: Mickey to Joe Delahaye on Sun May 28 2017 11:04:00

    I still have a working CoCo 3 sitting on the shelf. Tested it the other day on the 60 inch TV. Certainly different <G>


    Cool! I cut my teeth on the Coco 2 and 3, still have both as well. First BBS I ever called was also on my Coco 2 :)
    Great to seea nother Coco user.

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